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Old 12-13-2006, 02:49 PM   #1
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They really are trying to kill CM Punk's heat *ECW Spoilers*
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Before ECW got underway, a dark match took place in which Kevin Thord with Ariel defeated Scotty Too Hotty with his TKO finisher off the ropes. Does this move have a name yet. This match got a decent amount of time with Scotty hitting the worm and being super over (probably because this was the first thing out).

ECW began with the video displaying that tonight's main event would pit Lashley vs. Paul E's Security Team in a handicapped match. Also C.M Punk would be facing off against Hardcore Holly.

The first match was Test defeating RVD. This was surprisingly a good match, and in my opinion, the best of both tapings which is shocking...I know. RVD was super over, hitting his trade mark dive to the floor, Rolling Thunder, and many spinning back kicks. He was thrown off the top midway through to the floor and missed an attempted frog splash later on. Test went for a powerbomb but Rob rolled over with a sunset flip. Test sat down on RVD holding the ropes and scoring the three count.

Matt Striker made his way out for a special classroom in Boston. He made reference to Red Auerbach being dead, along with the fat losers in Boston as well as BIll Bunkner. How many times can these insults be re-used? We already won our World Series and the crowd only reacted to the Celtics' Auerbach being that he is a legend in Boston. His dead comments were really tasteless, what else can we expect from a company who exploits death to the EXTREME? Striker called out Balls who came to the ring to a good reaction. Balls began hitting a flurry before being kicked low by Striker. Striker left exclaiming he just left Balls looking and feeling more like "Blue Balls".

Punk got a great response from the Boston crowd. The match he had with Hardcore Holly was a major let down. The match felt like it never began, and ended with an awful finish which long time ECW faithful will look down upon. Hardcore Holly was disqualified for using excessive punches in the corner and not obeying the referee's count. The crowd absolutely crapped on the finish and rightfully so. Punk applied the Vice post match before finally releasing Holly. Looks like we have a new feud in ECW.

Tommy Dreamer came out to a good response from the crowd and challenged Great Khali. Khali came out, but as he was entering the ring Daivairi attacked Dreamer. Dreamer won with a DDT in two minutes. It was very forgettable. Post-match Khali pulled Dreamer out and did his finisher on the floor leaving Dreamer laying. He walked to the back on his own power and got some good sympathy cheers.

ECW Champion Lashley defeated Paul E's Secuirity in a handicapped match. Lashley was over and hit all his trademark spots. He pinned one of the security with a dominator before attacking both with the night stick's. Both "Bashams" sold this like death and did not move or leave for a good few minutes. They had already begun setting up for Smackdown before they eventually left.

Forgettable show, with a few we want table chants mixed in with the old ECW chants that quickly died down. Credit: rajahwwf.com


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Old 12-13-2006, 02:51 PM   #2
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"...and ended with an awful finish which long time ECW faithful will look down upon."

That can be applied to the entire concept of a "New" ECW...
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Old 12-13-2006, 02:51 PM   #3
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Looks fine to me. Punk went over, he got the win and the last word. Don't see a problem.
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The fans shat all over the finish of the match, that can help kill the heat for both of the wrestlers involved. But since Holly was in the match, it only hurts Punk.

Just because someone wins a match, doesn't mean they won't lose any momentum. Especially if the finish is a joke.
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Sounds like the ones they're killing are RVD and Thorne. Losing to Test...a dark match?!? I just hope they aren't leading to a Test/Lashley feud. This is why I quit watching ECW because the writing team is too stubborn to give us any storyline/feuds that I give two shits about.
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The fans shat all over the finish of the match, that can help kill the heat for both of the wrestlers involved. But since Holly was in the match, it only hurts Punk.

Just because someone wins a match, doesn't mean they won't lose any momentum. Especially if the finish is a joke.
Well I can only talk about what I know. I don't know this match was shit (haven't seen it,) but lets say it's the worst match of all time. Just hypothetically, I wont hurt Punk or Holly. It's one match. Plus it's gonna be on a Saturday night, so at least no one will see it. And as far as you saying that they are trying to kill Punk's heat, I have a hard time believing they wanted the match to suck every bit as much as they wanted the finish to get shit on.

It probably will suck, but it's no big deal. No one is out to get Punk. you're overreacting.
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Well I can only talk about what I know. I don't know this match was shit (haven't seen it,) but lets say it's the worst match of all time. Just hypothetically, I wont hurt Punk or Holly. It's one match. Plus it's gonna be on a Saturday night, so at least no one will see it. And as far as you saying that they are trying to kill Punk's heat, I have a hard time believing they wanted the match to suck every bit as much as they wanted the finish to get shit on.

It probably will suck, but it's no big deal. No one is out to get Punk. you're overreacting.
It was the finish that sucked and the fans let it show. Booking 101 says that a poorly booked finish can hurt a person's heat. If this is shown on an ECW show and the match ended because of someone punching another person repeatedly, you know that the finish will not be well received.

Hell even if this was a Raw match, that kind of finish would be booed out of the building. That will only hurt the wrestlers involved. A 3 year old girl would be able to tell that this kind of finish would suck.

I'm not overreacting, I'm just making a casual observation. An overreaction would be "OMGGGGG WWE SUCKS, I'M NEVER WATCHING IT AGAIN!!! PUNK NEEEDS TO GOTO TNA!"
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Sounds like the ones they're killing are RVD and Thorne. Losing to Test...a dark match?!? I just hope they aren't leading to a Test/Lashley feud. This is why I quit watching ECW because the writing team is too stubborn to give us any storyline/feuds that I give two shits about.
RVD's contract is nearing its end and it's possible that RVD won't resign, so why not?
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It was the finish that sucked and the fans let it show. Booking 101 says that a poorly booked finish can hurt a person's heat. If this is shown on an ECW show and the match ended because of someone punching another person repeatedly, you know that the finish will not be well received.

Hell even if this was a Raw match, that kind of finish would be booed out of the building. That will only hurt the wrestlers involved. A 3 year old girl would be able to tell that this kind of finish would suck.

I'm not overreacting, I'm just making a casual observation. An overreaction would be "OMGGGGG WWE SUCKS, I'M NEVER WATCHING IT AGAIN!!! PUNK NEEEDS TO GOTO TNA!"
I promise, Punk will just as over come next Tuesday as he was going into the match. If these kinds of happenings continue for several weeks then you'll have an arguement. 1 bad finish doesn't mean someone is trying to kill his heat. He lost at D2D, no big deal. Last week he went over strong. This week a poorly booked finish. He's fine man. You're overeacting.
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Old 12-13-2006, 03:31 PM   #11
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RVD's contract is nearing its end and it's possible that RVD won't resign, so why not?
Yeah, I know he hasn't helped is own cause either. Just sad to see IMO. When is his contract up?
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Wow. Isn't Punk one of the guys they're actually BIG on?

Fuck's sake, they don't know how to get anyone over, do they?
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Triple H is probably conspiring against him in some way
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That's what everyone is saying (they're retarded, but that's what they are saying.)
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I'm not overreacting, I'm just making a casual observation. An overreaction would be "OMGGGGG WWE SUCKS, I'M NEVER WATCHING IT AGAIN!!! PUNK NEEEDS TO GOTO TNA!"
This reminds me of something CM Punk said on his Q&A.

Someone said to him: "What will you do if WWE misuses you like they misused Shannon Moore?

CM Punk: I'll probably by a hummer and a nice house, just like he did.
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wait...did i read that right??

Dreamer Challenges The Great Khali........Dreamer wins in two minutes with a DDT......Wait...so did he beat Khali in 2 minutes???? If that is true then how does that make Taker look. The guy put on multiple matches against him that took forever...and Taker still lost...here comes Dreamer and beats the guy in two minutes?
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This reminds me of something CM Punk said on his Q&A.

Someone said to him: "What will you do if WWE misuses you like they misused Shannon Moore?

CM Punk: I'll probably by a hummer and a nice house, just like he did.
LOL. Not a new thing (Other people have said the same thing, or to the same extent), but still.
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Dreamer beat Diavari.

The Triple H holding Punk down theories steam from the fact that before debuting Triple H openly talked about how Punk didn't have "it".

One poorly booked finish, on a show that doesn't even air during it's normal time, will not kill his heat. Was it a good thing? No. And if the crowd started chanting "Re-fund!" or "Bull-shit!" or anything or that nature I would be proud of them.

If RVD doesn't resign a contract, they better as hell do a heel Punk/Straight Edge vs. face RVD/Stoner angle damn soon. It's really the only potential light in ECW right now.

The Hummer and Big House quote by Punk shows he is the mang in and out of the ring.

I am done.
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I don't think HHH is holding down Punk, I just think they are trying to "stabilize" Punk so he won't get super over and out shine the true stars of WWE like Cena and Lashley.

It's just funny how since Survior Series, Punk has been starting to be treated like just any other Upper-Midcarder.

They could've used the ECW before D2D to build a Test/Punk fued, which looked like that was going to happen. Then at D2D, they eliminated Punk first which ruined his undefeated streak with little to no drama and nothing to build off of.

And now they put him in a match with Holly, which I don't mind. Then they might've killed their feud before it even got started by having that lame ass DQ finish. I mean jesus if they are going to use a DQ finish, at least make it somewhat decent. Like having them both bring chairs into the ring or copy the Test/Punk finish from a couple of weeks back and have them brawl outside to a Double Countout.
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Dreamer beat Diavari.
OK, I could be wrong because I haven't watched ECW in a long time (only been keeping tabs online)...BUT didn't they have Diavari on a winning streak since debuting on ECW? They have been basically jobbing Dreamer out to EVERYONE since being on Sci Fi...yet now Diavari get's beat by him in 2 minutes????

The booking of this doesn't make any sense...but why should I be suprised?
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Diavari has already lost to Dreamer...by a DDT...in under 2 minutes...so this isn't new or shocking.
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Oh, alright. Like I said, haven't been watching lately. Which means I probably shouldn't be bitching either......
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39. If you get fired from wwe would you go back to roh or any other fed?

No. I will sign a fat Pride contract and get paid more money than you'll ever see in your entire life to get knocked out by Mirko CroCop in under 7 seconds in what Dave Meltzer will hail as the best shoot fight of the year due to my awesome attempt to tell the ref that he pulled my hair.
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39. If you get fired from wwe would you go back to roh or any other fed?

No. I will sign a fat Pride contract and get paid more money than you'll ever see in your entire life to get knocked out by Mirko CroCop in under 7 seconds in what Dave Meltzer will hail as the best shoot fight of the year due to my awesome attempt to tell the ref that he pulled my hair.
OMG ROFL. Link me to the rest of this plz.
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Sounds like a lame finish in the Punk/Holly match, but otherwise the show doesn't look bad. I still generally enjoy the show each week, although it may be harder to catch this week.
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Will you retract this thread if he still gets mad cheers for the next few weeks? I mean I understand what you're saying and all but I thought it was something horrible like having him job to a rubber chicken in a squash.
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Just because he gets popped next week doesn't mean they're not trying to kill his heat. They tried it with Christian and failed...
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Will you retract this thread if he still gets mad cheers for the next few weeks? I mean I understand what you're saying and all but I thought it was something horrible like having him job to a rubber chicken in a squash.
Notice the keyword "trying" as in to try to do something. Need I remind you about who they have done it to in the past?

ie: Christian last year, RVD from 2001-2003, and Booker T in 2003
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And its all because Triple H doesnt like them.
Triple H called Booker T "inconsistent" in 2003, and thats why he wasnt given the belt at the height of his stardom.
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Old 12-14-2006, 09:26 AM   #32
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I doubt they're trying to though.

That would indicate WWE could make a conscious decision and make it work.
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I dont think they're trying to bury him, they just dont know what the fuck they're doing.
Seriously, I'm against pushing him too soon, but with the state things are in and the heat hes getting...they need to make a move with him there now. Whether it be book him in a high profile fued, give him a new TV title, or even put the title on him (though i dont want it yet)
Either that or move the guy off the sinking ship and put him on Raw or Smackdown.
It'd be awesome to see him fued with Jeff or Benoit or somebody. Then they could really showcase him.
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Old 12-14-2006, 02:39 PM   #34
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They need to push someone fast. And if Punk has serious heat, they probably should push him. Though I hate the guy. From his overrated skills to his total face persona, I would rather see him dead than on TV, and will personally be happy to see him totally buried.

On the other hand, that doesn't make it the smartest move. Not everyone thinks their fetishes are the answer to WWE's problems.
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Notice the keyword "trying" as in to try to do something. Need I remind you about who they have done it to in the past?

ie: Christian last year, RVD from 2001-2003, and Booker T in 2003
Oh.
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And its all because Triple H doesnt like them.
Triple H called Booker T "inconsistent" in 2003, and thats why he wasnt given the belt at the height of his stardom.
Not to mention he wanted to 'keep the belt strong' for when Goldberg got it. So what happens when Goldberg is supposed to get it in the chamber? HHH wins.
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not to mention he comes in and doesnt do one wrestling move to retain. That night sickened me.
If it was strong leading up to that, it wasnt very strong after that night. And whats the point of making a belt 'strong' when the guy you've put a year into obtaining it only gets to run with it for 2 months
I'm sure Punk is too small for Triple H's liking. Punk fits more into the category of guys Foley or Heyman would push for backstage (Jericho, RVD, Booker) and not the types Triple H and Flair seem to gush over (Batista).
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WWE needs to do something with Punk, and they need to do it now. If I had it my way I would send him to SmackDown and put him in a program with Benoit for the US Title that would last from Royal Rumble until WrestleMania. Or I would send him to RAW, and put him in some high profile fueds. But they absolutely need to do SOMETHING because while he is retaining his heat on ECW, it's only a matter of time before it becomes stale.
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