WWE wants Morishima??!?

[IC Champion]

Originally Posted by Jordan X IC you are the retard. Did I say ROH makes more money than TNA? No I said they were the number 2 promotion in the country, why? Because TNA sucks and ROH is 100 times better. How can a promotion hire Kurt Angle and in a year only have 1 good match from him?

Best.Arguement.Ever.

[IC Champion]

Also, Jordan is upset and trying to get personal, shame really, who does that on the internet?

[Jordan]

Shut the fuck up

[IC Champion]

Hurtful words. Hurtful.

[IC Champion]

Originally Posted by Jordan X Be with your group of people on here who worship Nash and hate good wrestling.

Also....

[BigDaddyCool]

Originally Posted by Jordan X IC you are the retard. Did I say ROH makes more money than TNA? No I said they were the number 2 promotion in the country, why? Because TNA sucks and ROH is 100 times better. How can a promotion hire Kurt Angle and in a year only have 1 good match from him? ROH Is the 2nd best because the are nowhere near WWE's level. They are on the same level as TNA without a doubt as far as fan base goes and they could be making more money, I wouldn't doubt it. Everything about ROH blows TNA out of the water, thus making them the 2nd best in the country next to WWE. You call me stupid? You are the one sitting on Thursday's ingesting the most insulting wrestling product on TV since I dunno, Legends of Wrestling! Go ahead, say what you want about ROH you really don't matter nor does your opinion. It's clear to me that you have no life and have decided to argue with everything I post, so go ahead and look like a fool. Be with your group of people on here who worship Nash and hate good wrestling.

How does RoH have a large fan base than TNA? That doesn't make any sence. I'm not saying TNA is better than RoH or RoH is better than TNA. Alls I know is that TNA is on a major cable network and reaches millions of homes every thrusday. RoH, is still a regional promotion in the New York area with no national tv deal. I'm not saying it is impossible for RoH with its non-existant national exposure to be bigger than TNA, I just don't buy it.

BTW, I worship Nash and love good wrestling. But the problem is I have more things to do than scoure the world looking for wrestling, and since TNA and WWE are on tv, that is what I'm going to watch. If someone wants to start sending me free DVD's of RoH so I can have a more informed opinion, I would be glad to watch them. Also, you are sounding like a mark blindly defending RoH right now, you didn't bring anything to really back up your case for how they don't suck. But all I have heard is either blind hatered for them or blind worshipping of them. And since the people I like are the ones that hate them, I will be biased and say RoH suckes, especially after the handful of matches I have seen from them.

[Jordan]

I have been to countless WWE, WCW, and independent house shows, tv shows, and ppv's. Not one of them was nearly as good/fun/exciting as the five ROH shows that I have been to.

I REALLY DON"T CARE if you like ROH or not. And I am not interested in persuading you otherwise. However when you, Instant Classic, or The One decided to judge me and criticize me on the style of wrestling that I like, constantly it pisses me off. I constantly read your stupid ass ramblings about "BOOGEN, NASH IS GOD, ORTON SHOULD HAVE WON!"...

I have very good taste in wrestling, I know that for a fact. I don't like FAKE looking wrestling, which exactly what you seem to cheer for.

Also, I don't own a single piece of wrestling merchandise from any company, and if I were a mark for anything I probably would.

There is shit I hate in WWE, like the fact that about 50 percent of the guy look like they are play fighting and slapping each other like frat boys.

There is shit I hate about ROH, like the fact that a lot of the wrestler have the same movesets.

There is honestly nothing I like about TNA, its totally unwatchable.

All of you posters who are on my case, I don't remember your names but shut the fuck up and stop wasting your time because I really don't take this shit as seriously as you do.

[What Would Kevin Do?]

Originally Posted by BigDaddyCool How does RoH have a large fan base than TNA? That doesn't make any sence. I'm not saying TNA is better than RoH or RoH is better than TNA. Alls I know is that TNA is on a major cable network and reaches millions of homes every thrusday. RoH, is still a regional promotion in the New York area with no national tv deal. I'm not saying it is impossible for RoH with its non-existant national exposure to be bigger than TNA, I just don't buy it. BTW, I worship Nash and love good wrestling. But the problem is I have more things to do than scoure the world looking for wrestling, and since TNA and WWE are on tv, that is what I'm going to watch. If someone wants to start sending me free DVD's of RoH so I can have a more informed opinion, I would be glad to watch them. Also, you are sounding like a mark blindly defending RoH right now, you didn't bring anything to really back up your case for how they don't suck. But all I have heard is either blind hatered for them or blind worshipping of them. And since the people I like are the ones that hate them, I will be biased and say RoH suckes, especially after the handful of matches I have seen from them.

TNA has more viewers, but ROH has made a bigger profit.

Also, I might take you up on that offer and send you some ROH dvds.

[IC Champion]

Can you send me copies too?

[BigDaddyCool]

Originally Posted by Jordan X I have been to countless WWE, WCW, and independent house shows, tv shows, and ppv's. Not one of them was nearly as good/fun/exciting as the five ROH shows that I have been to.

I'm glad you like it, doesn't make it any bigger than TNA. Tons of people liked Hitler, doesn't make him a good man.

Originally Posted by Jordan X I REALLY DON"T CARE if you like ROH or not. And I am not interested in persuading you otherwise. However when you, Instant Classic, or The One decided to judge me and criticize me on the style of wrestling that I like, constantly it pisses me off. I constantly read your stupid ass ramblings about "BOOGEN, NASH IS GOD, ORTON SHOULD HAVE WON!"...

I hate Orton, never have I said he should have won. Boogen is great. Nash is God. I never judged you because you like RoH, I judged you because I judge everyone to be in some way not as good as me.

Originally Posted by Jordan X I have very good taste in wrestling, I know that for a fact. I don't like FAKE looking wrestling, which exactly what you seem to cheer for.

I love semi-fake wrestling. The few RoH matches I've seen look really fake because the guys are flopping around like fish out of water and they bump before didn't seem to matter because they already when on to a new spot.

Originally Posted by Jordan X Also, I don't own a single piece of wrestling merchandise from any company, and if I were a mark for anything I probably would.

The lack of owning wrestling merch doesn't prove anything. You are blindly defending RoH and talking about how you think of it as opposed to showing why it is better than TNA. I said you sound like a mark, not that you look like one or in fact are one. I said you sound like a mark.

Originally Posted by Jordan X There is shit I hate in WWE, like the fact that about 50 percent of the guy look like they are play fighting and slapping each other like frat boys.

Well they are play fighting, that is what wrestling is.

Originally Posted by Jordan X There is shit I hate about ROH, like the fact that a lot of the wrestler have the same movesets.

From what I understand, the guys in RoH don't have movesets, but instead try and do ever move under the sun. But that is just me nit picking and I don't know for fact.

Originally Posted by Jordan X There is honestly nothing I like about TNA, its totally unwatchable.

Agreed, but that doesn't make RoH bigger.

Originally Posted by Jordan X All of you posters who are on my case, I don't remember your names but shut the fuck up and stop wasting your time because I really don't take this shit as seriously as you do.

It sure seems like you do.

[BigDaddyCool]

Originally Posted by Instant Classic Can you send me copies too?

Quit being a mooch. I asked first.

[FourFifty]

Originally Posted by Instant Classic Also, Jordan is upset and trying to get personal, shame really, who does that on the internet?

....you'd be amazed at the numbers.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Originally Posted by Instant Classic You are no more than a mark, you may know a bit more than your average mark, but a mark none the less. And not just a mark, but a ROH "mark". The fact is your average wrestlers in WWE arent great with physcology, but than agian neither are any of the indie guys. So because someone appears to be thinking, that is physcolgy? Anyone can look like they are thinking during the match and in between moves. Its the moves you do, how you do them and why you are doing them.

That's called thinking. Applying reason to your actions. That is exactly what I was saying. I didn't mean they'd put lab coat on during the middle of the match.

And why does anyone in the WWE do anything that they do? They is no reason for anything in the WWE. ROH at least has its wrestlers do what they do for a reason.

Originally Posted by Instant Classic The fact is Cena punches because he's a brawler, and he isn't fancy. Where as in ROH a brawler would start wrestling and using actaul wrestling moves, and while there is nothing at all wrong that, there is when it doesn't fit your character.

Cena is actually a technical wrestler pretending to be a brawler. So it's kind of pot meets kettle if you're talking about using styles you shouldn't. Cena cannot pull off the brawling style, and it is really ugly when he tries.

Weren't you asking why all guys do is strike in ROH? If ROH guys can't get away with it, why should John Cena?

Originally Posted by Instant Classic As for ROH being more organic with its styles, while you may think that is true, in reality they are just using more moves, and any move. So because they do moves that any wrestler in WWE could do if they wanted, doesnt give them more physcology, or even make the matches better, every wrestler can do every move, to a certian extant, sure I may be impressed the first few times I see something amazing, but after its been done to death, with no meaning, it becomes just another move. Also, Vince illegitimate love child, way more entertaining than a couple skinny rednecks with a combined weight of 300 pounds.

If you are entertained by Vince McMahon talking about how he slept with fat women back in the day, then God have mercy on your soul. The Briscoes are one of the best tag teams out there today, and their storyline actually makes sense and isn't ego blowing bullshit. Once again, ROH wins by default.

I must ask, how many times can you see a chinlock before it becomes "just another move?" I cannot get into a WWE match as easily as a ROH match. I've explained what I consider psychology, and that is a reason for the moves that are being used. I see that in ROH. I very rarely EVER see that in the WWE. Mr. Kennedy and Finlay have had cases of good psychology, and that's about all I can remember off the top of my head.

There are some flips in ROH, and some matches where the goal of the match is to entertain the fans, and just put on a high octane match. Well, quite frankly, that has its place in professional wrestling. The psychology of those matches shouldn't be to have a slow-paced match, with the guys willing to go a marathon if it means they win. It's about getting out there and earning yourself some "Wow, did you see *their name*" so they can get future bookings in the company, and then work their way up to the marathon-style matches. That, in a way, is its own form of psychology. The extent of psychology in the WWE is "Hey, the agents told me to do this, so I'm doing it." I guess that is an extra layer of psychology, as well, but it's a really depressing variation, because you never even get a fun match out of it.

ROH is good like that. Their storylines don't make the wrestlers out to not have lives outside the promotion, and it remembers that they are human beings looking for work, and to get their name noticed. So many of their storylines come of guys getting pissed off because they were hurt during a match, which dampens their productivity in the business. I like storylines like that, because they are way more entertaining to me than some old guy talking about women he banged back in the day.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Originally Posted by What Would Kevin Do? IN all honesty, I'm pretty sure The One can't back up his claim at all, and is just spouting shit for the sake of spouting shit. IC has some knowledge to back up his opinion though, despite the fact that his opinion is twisted as all fuck all.

The One just doesn't like indies because all the "hip and edgy" smarks support, and like rooting for the guys who are out there trying to produce quality rather than the standard shit we get from the big promotions.

IC has more reason behind his thinking, but I cannot for the life of me see how the WWE has more psychology than ROH. All their matches are the same. ROH wins by default, in my opinion. Of course, The One would say "all indie guys do is chop" and further prove he has no clue what he is talking about.

But IC is closer to being on the money. He seems to have some knowledge of the indies, I think he's just of a different opinion, which is fair enough. Not everyone likes ROH, and that is fine. I prefer to see matches that entertain me, and ROH does that 1000x better than the WWE.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Originally Posted by BigDaddyCool How does RoH have a large fan base than TNA? That doesn't make any sence. I'm not saying TNA is better than RoH or RoH is better than TNA. Alls I know is that TNA is on a major cable network and reaches millions of homes every thrusday. RoH, is still a regional promotion in the New York area with no national tv deal. I'm not saying it is impossible for RoH with its non-existant national exposure to be bigger than TNA, I just don't buy it. BTW, I worship Nash and love good wrestling. But the problem is I have more things to do than scoure the world looking for wrestling, and since TNA and WWE are on tv, that is what I'm going to watch. If someone wants to start sending me free DVD's of RoH so I can have a more informed opinion, I would be glad to watch them. Also, you are sounding like a mark blindly defending RoH right now, you didn't bring anything to really back up your case for how they don't suck. But all I have heard is either blind hatered for them or blind worshipping of them. And since the people I like are the ones that hate them, I will be biased and say RoH suckes, especially after the handful of matches I have seen from them.

As WWKD said, ROH has turned a bigger profit. They've also done some successful tours overseas. That might not mean anything to you, and it's kind of trivial, but ROH kind of has a longer reach if you are talking about the places they have done shows. TV deals should probably be considered more important, but it's just a possible defense for the "ROH is bigger than TNA" argument. The profit point is probably the best one.

The blind defenses of ROH are just in contrast to the blind offense. I'm going to question as to what ROH matches you have seen, because although I can understand how it is not everyone's cup of tea, a lot of it is very ground-based. I doubt you would have seen much of ROH's chief offerings if you only say flippy matches. It's like saying CZW puts forth technical masterpieces. You might get one or two good matches a show, but their focus is definitely on garbage wrestling.

That's not a criticism of you, by the way, just me telling you that you have not really seen ROH's specialty. More a criticism of the pallette you have been presented with. Get better sources for your ROH information.

[BigDaddyCool]

Originally Posted by Alienoid06 As WWKD said, ROH has turned a bigger profit. They've also done some successful tours overseas. That might not mean anything to you, and it's kind of trivial, but ROH kind of has a longer reach if you are talking about the places they have done shows. TV deals should probably be considered more important, but it's just a possible defense for the "ROH is bigger than TNA" argument. The profit point is probably the best one.

You know I am an accountant right? Making more profit a year does not mean they are bigger. If that was true, then by that logic it means when WCW losing money in the millions, then any wrestling promotion losing less money or actaully turning $1 of profit was bigger than WCW. That means that while WCW lost a million, and ECW only lost a few hundred thousand, ECW would have been bigger than WCW. Profit does not equal size. It is entirely possible for a small business to make more actual profit than a large business. So profit is the wrost point to argue over size. For the 8 billionth time people, I went to business school, I am an accounant, knowing finicial statements is my job. You will not be able to argue with me on this point.

Now if you can show that RoH does more business, then they are bigger than TNA. Income does not equal profit, they are related but not the same.

[What Would Kevin Do?]

TNA has lost money
ROH has turned a profit.
From a financial standpoint, ROH has done better.

TNA is on TV, ROH is on ppv sometimes. Reachwise, TNA is doing better. TNA loses money because they are on tv/ppv/ It's a toss up. ROH makes more money, TNA has more fans.

[Jordan]

BDC I never said ROH was bigger than TNA to begin with, I said the are the number 2 promotion.

Why? Because ROH is 10x better than TNA. Simple as that. I don't really care about money, but it helps my point that ROH does double to triple the shows that TNA does and still makes money. If TNA did the amount of shows ROH did I am pretty sure they would be losing even more money. ROH may not be able to draw 5000 people yet but they can consitantly draw 1000 paying fans where in TNA all you have to do is go to the theme park. TNA does get that money the park does.

[IC Champion]

*awaits BDC*

[BigDaddyCool]

Originally Posted by What Would Kevin Do? TNA has lost money ROH has turned a profit. From a financial standpoint, ROH has done better. TNA is on TV, ROH is on ppv sometimes. Reachwise, TNA is doing better. TNA loses money because they are on tv/ppv/ It's a toss up. ROH makes more money, TNA has more fans.

Making more profit doesn't mean they are better or bigger. TNA is number 2. It is like saying ECW was ever #2 during the monday night wars. Again, if you can prove to me RoH does some where near the same amount of business, not makes more profit, then the subject of who is #2 is up for debate.

[BigDaddyCool]

Originally Posted by Jordan X BDC I never said ROH was bigger than TNA to begin with, I said the are the number 2 promotion. Why? Because ROH is 10x better than TNA. Simple as that. I don't really care about money, but it helps my point that ROH does double to triple the shows that TNA does and still makes money. If TNA did the amount of shows ROH did I am pretty sure they would be losing even more money. ROH may not be able to draw 5000 people yet but they can consitantly draw 1000 paying fans where in TNA all you have to do is go to the theme park. TNA does get that money the park does.

Hahahahahaha. Then by your logic, shouldn't RoH actually be the #1 because you seem to think RoH is 100x better than WWE. Your opinion is crap because you seem to be changing what you are saying everytime I offer hard evidence to the contrray. I get it, you like RoH, but besides in your heart of hearts, it is not #2, it is #3 every where else.

Also, all of RoH's best talent is now in WWE or TNA. Which pretty much means RoH is still a breeding ground for the bigger promotions. So, since WWE and TNA are seens as steps up by the talent from RoH, again I don't see how RoH is #2.

BTW, it really should be typed RoH because the word of doesn't get capitalized in a title. That is just me being nitpicky though.

Lastly, Jordon X smell like stinky nutsacks.

[IC Champion]

lol

[Vastardikai]

I'm gonna make a side note, back to the original post:

Sending Johnny Ace to sign a worker from Misawa's promotion is about as stupid a move as sending Eric Bischoff to sign Reid Flair.

[Destor]

I would like to point out that i am a huge fan of the RoH. Just an fyi thing.

[Rob]

Originally Posted by Pepsi Man Underrated?! What, have you been watching tapes from 2002, or something?

Who on the WWE roster today is more underrated by the IWC than Cena? When was the last time he had a bad match? Jesus he got a good match out of the Great Khali and NOBODY has managed to do that yet. He is no Shawn Michaels or anything but Cena has improved hugely from when he first got the title.

[Mr. Monday Morning]

Originally Posted by Rob Who on the WWE roster today is more underrated by the IWC than Cena? When was the last time he had a bad match? Jesus he got a good match out of the Great Khali and NOBODY has managed to do that yet. He is no Shawn Michaels or anything but Cena has improved hugely from when he first got the title.

*Comparatively* good match

But yeah anything above terrible in a Khali match is a minor miracle.

[BigDaddyCool]

Originally Posted by Rob Who on the WWE roster today is more underrated by the IWC than Cena? When was the last time he had a bad match? Jesus he got a good match out of the Great Khali and NOBODY has managed to do that yet. He is no Shawn Michaels or anything but Cena has improved hugely from when he first got the title.

You know by now, people forget why they really hate Cena. Truth be told, he is actually watchable now. He is decent in ring, and gets the best pop of the night as long as Stone Cold doesn't show up. Maybe WWE is going back to long title riegns as they mean more, and there is no point in winning a ratings war against no one.