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Old 03-09-2004, 12:58 AM   #1
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I never thought I would say this. I am embarrassed to be a fan of the Vancouver Canucks tonight.

Not because they came out unprepared to play. But because they chose to take things too far tonight in their revenge against Steve Moore.

Todd Bertuzzi will be suspended tomorrow, and rightly so. His sucker punch of Steve Moore was classless, and Moore was badly hurt. Markus Naslund seemed as embarrassed as I was by the look on his face.

I would like to extend my best wishes to Steve Moore, and hope that my team has the balls to admit what they did was wrong tonight.

Also - WTF. 9-2 against the Avs? How can a team play SO bad when it's one of their most important games? I made fun of the Leafs awhile back when they got their asses handed to the Senators, but they were also missing key players. Canucks have everyone tonight.

Is this what will happen in the playoffs?

Canucks need to seriously wake the fuck up. They got outclassed by Detroit, and are taking it up the ass HARD from the Avs tonight.
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it was a bad game, but it didn't happen last time they played so something was gonna go down tonight. The Avs got smoked yesterday 7-1 or something so they needed to come out strong. Pretty dumb of bertuzzi but what can you do. It's no different then Tucker low bridging Peca and putting him out for 6 months... or any other thing, when Moore hit Naslund it was a cheap hit so payback was gonna come.
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it was a bad game, but it didn't happen last time they played so something was gonna go down tonight. The Avs got smoked yesterday 7-1 or something so they needed to come out strong. Pretty dumb of bertuzzi but what can you do. It's no different then Tucker low bridging Peca and putting him out for 6 months... or any other thing, when Moore hit Naslund it was a cheap hit so payback was gonna come.
Yeah - I was all for Bertuzzzi (or anyone) taking out Moore. I just wished it would've been FACE to FACE. When McCarty beat the shit out of Lemieux in 1997 in vengeance, it was FACE to FACE. What Bertuzzi did was gutless. I have limited respect for cowards.

Oh well - I'll support the canucks for life. I'm still disappointed however. I'm worried about the canucks in the playoffs.
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im not worried at all, Colorado is a GOOD team it's not like they lost to a non-playoff team. I would also bet that Bertuzzi tried to get moore to fight but he didn't want his ass handed to him so he didn't.
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Bertuzzi is scum. Not only did he punch him from behind, he drove his head into the ice. Marc Crawford is an asshole as well. When Moore was on the ice, unconscious and bleeding, Crawford had a smirk on his face.
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Bertuzzi is scum. Not only did he punch him from behind, he drove his head into the ice. Marc Crawford is an asshole as well. When Moore was on the ice, unconscious and bleeding, Crawford had a smirk on his face.
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Bertuzzi is scum. Not only did he punch him from behind, he drove his head into the ice. Marc Crawford is an asshole as well. When Moore was on the ice, unconscious and bleeding, Crawford had a smirk on his face.

it was pretty clear he was out anyways before bert road him to the ice... I'm not saying what Bertuzzi did was in anyway right but that's how hockey works and it always has. Moore took a cheap shot at naslund two weeks ago and he got his payback. Crawford also probably was happy that it happend, I mean look what happend with no call Crawford was PISSED and he should have been but what can you do.
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I dunno.....

I agree that Moore should've been taken out (and I don't particularily care that Moore was injured in the way that he was..........he had it coming). I just think it was classless of Bertuzzi to attack him from behind.

Wonder what's up next for Mr. Burke.

It's obvious that we need a key trade IMO if this team is going to make noise in the playoffs.

Again - Not that Cloutier is entirely to blame for tonight's loss, but 5 goals in one period?..........in arguably the most important game? Granted the team STUNK tonight, but when are we going to see Cloutier SAVE the canucks in an IMPORTANT game.....when the canucks NEED HIM THE MOST?
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ya Bertuzzi went way too far. I think it was frustarted because he's having a shitty season and his team was getting their ass kicked. LOL at Brad May. who the **** does that guy think he is?
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I'll go a step further and say i think it was criminal. I think there should be charges considered. Drastic yes. But Moore is in the hospital now and last i heard he's in bad shape.Bertuzzi better stock up on the advil cause he's gunna get pounded when they meet again.
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they wont meet again unless they both go to atleast the third round of the play-offs. I don't think it's really a criminal matter, it's part of the game. Bertuzzi's gonna get suspended or he should anyways for driving him to the ice but that's about all that's gonna happen.
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Unless moore takes a turn for the worst. Anyone know his status?
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he just has a concussion, that's what the TV is saying anyways, he's been released from hospital already, he was conscious and talking before he went to the hospital.
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So Heyman, how many "most important games of the season" does Vancouver have exactly?
 
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It's all because of the intistigator rule. Otherwise, it coulda been taken care of in another, easier way.

Although, Betuzzi's actions can be seen as "cheap", Moore should have known he was going to be targeted after what he did to Naslund.

Hartley should have benched him last night, because it was obvious that SOMETHING was going to happen to him.
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i was pretty disgusted and embarassed as well, i'd expect probably a ten game suspension for something like that. it looked really ugly.
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If Moore had taken off his helmet/visor when he fought Cooke early in the game, it would have been all over with.

Granato shouldn't have had Moore out there with the score the way it was. Stupid on his part. I guess I'm one of the only ones that sees faults on the other side as well.

Bertuzzi wouldn't have done what he did if he knew Moore was going to be that badly hurt. That part wasn't planned.
 
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Granato's the coach now....

But yea I agree Moore shouldn't have been playing in that game
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A cheap move by a gutless piece of crap on a horsesh.it fraud team. what more is there to say? The never beat any good teams, and now they will not get home ice advantage. HAHAHAHAHA! Nice knowing ya canucks!
 
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apperently Moores got a cracked vertbrae, but they're saying it didn't happen when Bertuzzi rode him to the ground but rather when Konowalchuk jumped on Bertuzzi
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apperently Moores got a cracked vertbrae, but they're saying it didn't happen when Bertuzzi rode him to the ground but rather when Konowalchuk jumped on Bertuzzi
I saw a pic of Nikolishin on top of Bertuzzi when he was on Moore, might have been him

What exactly did he do anyway? It just sounded like a clothesline to the back of the head or something, must have been a pretty hard one to KO him.

I don't like to see anyone get injured but if the Avs coach was gonna play him knowing that something was probably gonna go down, then tough shit really. Revenge for Naslund dammit

Also who won in Rob Blake's fight, I didn't know he was a fighter
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yeah, where there now saying broken vertebre I'd expect one of the biggest suspensions in league history (see: McSorley).

The question is, this is the same town that tried to arrest McSorley, are they not acting because the player is on their team or because there was no stick invovled?
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They just said on the Radio a Monteal paper is reporting he's in surgey for 2 borken vertebre.

I think Bartuzzi might save himself some time and put the skates away now, I don't think he'll need them till next Season.
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the police are investigating it now. The fact remains this shouldn't be a police investigation. Was it a cheap hit yes. Was it overboard yes. should Moore still be playing when he was in two fights in the first period and the score was 7-2? NO if you turtle in fights and wont go but you have a target something is gonna happen. I believe the suspension that he'll get is to the end of the first round of the play-offs. I also think that's fair.

I meant nikolishion ant my B

Blake lost his fight.
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yeah, where there now saying broken vertebre I'd expect one of the biggest suspensions in league history (see: McSorley).

The question is, this is the same town that tried to arrest McSorley, are they not acting because the player is on their team or because there was no stick invovled?

A stick can be doubled as a deadly weapon, the police are going to look at this and say nothing. There were no laws broken. Moore isn't going to press charges cause he knew he was a marked man. It's part of the game. Mcsorley's situation was different he would have actually killed Brasheir with a stick.

They also didn't try to arrest him. They did. He got an 18 month conditonal sentence.
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I saw a pic of Nikolishin on top of Bertuzzi when he was on Moore, might have been him

What exactly did he do anyway? It just sounded like a clothesline to the back of the head or something, must have been a pretty hard one to KO him.

I don't like to see anyone get injured but if the Avs coach was gonna play him knowing that something was probably gonna go down, then tough shit really. Revenge for Naslund dammit

Also who won in Rob Blake's fight, I didn't know he was a fighter
he grabbed the back of moores jersey after Moore said something to him off the face off and wouldn't fight so Bertuzzi grabbed his Jersey and knocked him one in the side of the head and knocked him out. then Bertuzzi fell on him onto the ice.
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so appearently the coach on colorado made up the rumor of the Vertabrae and it's actually a sprianed neck,concussion and cut to the face.
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A stick can be doubled as a deadly weapon, the police are going to look at this and say nothing. There were no laws broken. Moore isn't going to press charges cause he knew he was a marked man. It's part of the game. Mcsorley's situation was different he would have actually killed Brasheir with a stick.

They also didn't try to arrest him. They did. He got an 18 month conditonal sentence.
Haven't see the tape... but, fighting is part of the game, a shot when someone isn't looking (with or w/o stick) is not part of the game, driving someone to the ice (again, I haven't see the tape but every report I heard says he drove him to the ice after the punch) isn't part of the game.

Again, I haven't seen the tape, so I'll have to check out sportcenter tonight.
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Haven't see the tape... but, fighting is part of the game, a shot when someone isn't looking (with or w/o stick) is not part of the game, driving someone to the ice (again, I haven't see the tape but every report I heard says he drove him to the ice after the punch) isn't part of the game.

Again, I haven't seen the tape, so I'll have to check out sportcenter tonight.
T'was definitely a cheap cheap dirty hit which warrants a strong suspension but it is not liek the McSorley case, and it does not warrant criminal charges. Nor (before anyone suggests it) a ban from the NHL.
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Haven't see the tape... but, fighting is part of the game, a shot when someone isn't looking (with or w/o stick) is not part of the game, driving someone to the ice (again, I haven't see the tape but every report I heard says he drove him to the ice after the punch) isn't part of the game.

Again, I haven't seen the tape, so I'll have to check out sportcenter tonight.

the punch he hit him with knocked him out cold, that was clear, he didn't as much drive him to the ice as he did was hold on to him and fall on him, it's a bad situation for moore, but had bertuzzi maybe just let him drop to the ice face first it could have been even worse for him.
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Old 03-09-2004, 03:42 PM   #36
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T'was definitely a cheap cheap dirty hit which warrants a strong suspension but it is not liek the McSorley case, and it does not warrant criminal charges. Nor (before anyone suggests it) a ban from the NHL.

I agree with that except I don't think it will warrent as long of a suspension as some people might think it should be. The NHL is going to look at the hit and base there suspension not on Moore's injury but rather what bertuzzi did. He did cheap shot him from behind. he did fall on him. They might also recognize that Moore was out before he was falling and thus Bertuzzi somewhat held him up, cause if Bertuzzi let him go he would have DROPPED. I would be VERY VERY surprised if he gets more then 10 games for it. I also doubt he'll even get 10 games...
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Morcheba shut up. That is the most biased talk I have ever seen on these boards. Bertuzzi has his history of doing dumb shit things like this, he took a total cheap shot (And IMO the hit on Naslund wasn't unbelievably bad to begin with) and now you are saying that Bertuzzi helped him by holding him up? You are throwing out so much bullshit throughout this thread that its not even funny. Accept the fact that Bertuzzi made an unbelievably bad decision and will likely be suspended for a long time.

Bertuzzi is a fucking retard. Last year he took a dumb penalty late in Game 7 against the Wild ruining any chance they had to come back, and now it looks like his stupid shit is going to mess their playoff hopes up again. I say trade that piece of shit for someone who is good and doesn't make shitty ideas.
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But here's the point that needs to be made. Bertuzzi was down 9-2 in the game or 7-2 or whatever. Point is his team was being blown out of the water, and here is this little shit running his mouth to him. Now I'm a Detroit fan and was pissed when he hurt Chelios by falling on Chelios shoulder. But when your down by this much in the game and someone is running your mouth, and your being embarassed what do you think your going to do, sit there. No your going to fight. Problem here is that instead of him trying to get away from you, skate in front of him and punch his lights out. Not take him out from behind. It's an act of cowardice on his part and I hope he gets suspended. Anyone else besides me want to see a Canucks-Avs first round match up?

As for Crawford he has and always will be a dick so nothing suprises me if he really did have a smirk on his face


My Prediction for Bertuzzi's suspension (even though it will cause some people getting pissed off): 1 year suspension.
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A long suspension like that honestly isnt out of the question, the way it looks now anyway. But who knows, maybe nobody will be playing next year anyway.
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Bertuzzi deserves a year for being a chicken shit pussy but seeing as how there might not be an NHL next year I doubt thatll happen

Bertuzzi should have spun him around and beat the shit out of him. If Moore didnt want to fight then he would take his ass whoopin like a man. But punching him in the back of the head like a little bitch is rediculous

Bret Hull was talking about how players nowadays grow up wearing shit loads of protective equipment and forget how easy it is to injure someone
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