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Old 12-17-2007, 09:15 AM   #41
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What? Jericho's return was planned, how does a surprise return being effective for one week apply to him? Unless your point is that in the end planned and surprise returns work out the same, to which I say, congrat-u-fucking-lations. Combine that with the shitty WWE climate, and you have yourself TL and my point exactly.
It's cute that you're trying to combine the two arguments, really. But the argument that brought you to this point seems to contradict the argument you offered up that TL was agreeing with. That discrepancy is curious, to say the least.

The problem being, it doesn't just apply to the current environment, so "That was our point" is flawed at best, or flat out wrong at worst. I'm not sure why you would think that equating the two lends itself to "Well, this is because the Audience is full of Cena fans," but no.
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Old 12-17-2007, 09:22 AM   #42
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I dunno whats worse Jericho or his Haircut.
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Old 12-17-2007, 09:46 AM   #43
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Even as a fan I have to say his haircut makes him look, well, gay.
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Old 12-17-2007, 09:50 AM   #44
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Even as a fan I have to say his haircut makes him look, well, gay.
As opposed to when he first debuted. That was such a manly style.
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Arguing which haircut in wrestling is the gayest is... kinda gay.
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His haircut worked when he first debuted because he was a heel.

This new haircut is meant to be "cool," but it's more "gay," which in turn equals "not cool" to fans of RAW. The glittery queer vests only reinforce it.
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This thread continues to prove that Jericho is completely over hyped by the IWC. And that the IWC refuses to see Jericho for what he is. A decent (not even a great, but just a decent) grappler that when paired up with other guys that can cut a promo looks golden. He is good, he is not great. And as of late, he isn't even good.
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Walls of Jericho was pretty over last night
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Walls of Jericho was pretty over last night
I don't care if he was over last night, he wasn't over enough the preceeding weeks to make me want to pay to see him last night.
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This thread continues to prove that Jericho is completely over hyped by the IWC. And that the IWC refuses to see Jericho for what he is. A decent (not even a great, but just a decent) grappler that when paired up with other guys that can cut a promo looks golden. He is good, he is not great. And as of late, he isn't even good.
I think it's quite indicative of the IWC going as far as they can to justify their personal favorites, but I don't think that's any different than anyone else.

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Walls of Jericho was pretty over last night
Isn't Pittsburgh considered a "smark" city?
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Isn't Pittsburgh considered a "smark" city?
Actually it's considered a quiet city, usually a reserved crowd...especially when the Steelers lose that day.
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Isn't Pittsburgh considered a "smark" city?
The crowds tend to be comprised of smarks, yeah. Wrestling is big shit around here for reasons I can never understand.
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Actually it's considered a quiet city, usually a reserved crowd...especially when the Steelers lose that day.
Oh yeah, bring THAT up.
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The crowds tend to be comprised of smarks, yeah. Wrestling is big shit around here for reasons I can never understand.
Could be something in the water. Maybe WWE spiked PA's supply, since Philly's huge on the game too.

Anyway, yeah. Jericho's move was over in a "Smark" city.

I don't even think I need to explain how insignificant getting a smark darling over with a smark crowd in one city is (especially with his total lack of response of late in other cities). If anyone does need it explained, just raise your hands, and I'll cover it.
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Also, did Jericho get the pop, or was it the walls of jericho that got the pop?
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Jericho got a pop, but the Walls got the loudest thing in the night
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Old 12-17-2007, 12:18 PM   #58
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Also, was it the Walls, or just that lazy Boston Crab?
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Hmm, if it is the move getting the loudest pop, it isn't even Jericho. I don't see how anyone can still live in the fantasy world were it isn't at least partly Jericho's fault for not being over.
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Old 12-17-2007, 12:43 PM   #60
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As opposed to when he first debuted. That was such a manly style.
And what is gay about long hair in a ponytail?
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And what is gay about long hair in a ponytail?
I've never seen any guy other than a few random fags impersonating the spice girls wearing a ponytail the way he did.

Maybe things are different over in the UK, but here, that style is worn by women and the occasional San Fransisco feller.
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He's also had pigtails before.


Please, let's put the hairstyle in perspective.
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Hmm, if it is the move getting the loudest pop, it isn't even Jericho. I don't see how anyone can still live in the fantasy world were it isn't at least partly Jericho's fault for not being over.
Everything is always 100% WWE's fault.

No, but seriously, at this point, it's hard to not jump to blaming WWE for everything. I mean, I understand it. They've fucked up so damn much, that it's easy to say everything's their fault. And to some extent, this is, too. It's not saying that Jericho isn't phoning it in, or that he's as electrifying as last time, but damn, it's easy to just say "Well, WWE...."

In other words, I can see why people would blame WWE exclusively or otherwise.
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He's also had pigtails before.


Please, let's put the hairstyle in perspective.
Yeah, he's no worse now than before. Really.
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Everything is always 100% WWE's fault.

No, but seriously, at this point, it's hard to not jump to blaming WWE for everything. I mean, I understand it. They've fucked up so damn much, that it's easy to say everything's their fault. And to some extent, this is, too. It's not saying that Jericho isn't phoning it in, or that he's as electrifying as last time, but damn, it's easy to just say "Well, WWE...."

In other words, I can see why people would blame WWE exclusively or otherwise.
I know I'm going to get flamed. But he wasn't all that electrifying last time. I already know what is going to happen. People are going to say there was such a buzz when he was the first Undisputed champion. And beat the Rock and Stone Cold in a single night. I would just like to point out. Rock made Billy Gunn entertaining when fueding with Billy. Also no one ever goes over Stone Cold. So I'm not saying Jericho didn't play his part that night, but I'm pretty sure anyone would have looked good if it happened to them instead of Jericho that night.
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Yeah, and everyone was over at that point. Almost literally.
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Old 12-17-2007, 02:51 PM   #69
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Pretty much. And at some point, you have to accept that a portion of his reaction, at least, belongs to the era itself. It's not that Jericho can't get over, though.
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That is my point. Jericho is a compent wrestler, or at least was. He has some charisma and boardlines on greatness sometimes. But on the whole, completely overrated by the IWC.
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That is my point. Jericho is a compent wrestler, or at least was. He has some charisma and boardlines on greatness sometimes. But on the whole, completely overrated by the IWC.

Wrestling is completely overrated by the IWC
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Wrestling is completely overrated by the IWC
I'm pretty sure nobody in the IWC actually likes wrestling.
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Anyhow, Jericho was rushed. They should have brought him in, built him up and having him earn a title shot instead of just showing up with one.
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Anyhow, Jericho was rushed. They should have brought him in, built him up and having him earn a title shot instead of just showing up with one.
I agree with that. But maybe their plans weren't for that, but just to give him a title shot off the bat and then segway him into the uppermidcard with a lot of momentum.
Perhaps, they never intended to give him the big steady build to great things and a Rumble/Mania title win.
Perhaps, YOU'RE overrating him in saying that's how it should have gone?
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Perhaps, YOU'RE overrating him in saying that's how it should have gone?
Is overrating really the right word here?
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I do agree maybe too much expecation is placed upon him. I don't however feel he is overrated. I mean, his charisma in ring skills and level of talent are what they are.

I think everyone is dissapointed when he's not being pushed to the moon and owning the crowd like he was when he first came to WWF.
Unfortunately, that ship sailed and this was probably seen by many as a second chance, and it didn't work out.

I don't think it means he's overrated, I just think it means a lot of fans are dissapointed he never became the top guy and frustrated with the fact that he could have been.
Even a depushed, dissapointing Jericho will still have a home on Raws uppermidcard every week, with potential to be called back up to the main event at any moment.
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Not being able to live up to hype, is pretty much overrating.
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Not being able to live up to hype, is pretty much overrating.
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And the IWC is responsible for the push right? They overrated him and as a result he couldn't live up to the hype?
You have me lost.
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