2004 WWE Draft

[Anavrin]

Very interesting turn of events. I would like the rosters to stay the same except for the following.

Little Spike Dudley- go to smackdown to compete with other cruiserweights. Tired of seeing LSD job around to all the guys that are 150 lbs heavier then him.

RVD and Booker T- After seeing there performance on raw last night really dont care to ever see them on the program again.

Huricane and The S.H.I.T. - Funny angle, would rather have them on smackdown.

Kane - go to smackdown get some sense knocked into him by taker, and form a new acolyte stable.

Dawn Marie- Really like to see her come to raw maybe manage Lance Storm like in the good ol days.. plus watching her makes my pants tight.

Edge- when he comes back to come to RAW cause I watch raw more than SD. Gotta see the downward spiral more than i do now.

Johnny 'The Bull' Stamboli- Cause he is a good but underated wrestler that I like watching, preferably on raw.

I guess I am a little biased to the SD fans out there, I would like to give the trash of raw to SD.. Simply to make raw better in my eyes.

BTW did anyone else notice the great performance by the dudleys last night. Only to job to 'RVT' and have RVD and Booker screw up almost all of there moves last night. despicable.. despicable..

What are your guys thoughts on the draft?

[Tornado]

Thanks for the spoiler warning, you jackass..
[/pissed of Uk'er]

[Kane Knight]

Way to keep the brands seperate, Vince.

[Kane Knight]

Originally Posted by Tornado Thanks for the spoiler warning, you jackass.. [/pissed of Uk'er]

[Anavrin]

Originally Posted by Tornado Thanks for the spoiler warning, you jackass.. [/pissed of Uk'er]

Sorry pal, I am a typical american here if you arnt in the state then I dont really consider you. Sorry for the inconvience though.

[Corkscrewed]

http://tpww.net/forums/showthread.php?t=7913

[Tornado]

Originally Posted by Anavrin Sorry pal, I am a typical american here if you arnt in the state then I dont really consider you. Sorry for the inconvience though.

Nah, no problem. I read Raw Results on Tuesday, but quite a few people dont, so it's just a heads up.
You might wanna put a spoiler warning in the topic title though...

[Evil Vito]

Posted this in the loopydate thread, but I'll post it here again:

Originally Posted by Big Vito 22 I organized some of my ideas in my study hall today at school. I have yet to read anyone else’s ideas in this thread, so if I ended up with the same idea as someone else, I apologize: I think that the WWE should announce that to be fair, the title situations would work like this: For example, let’s take Benoit (World Champ) and Eddie (WWE Champ). It should work so that if Benoit ends up on Raw and Eddie on Smackdown, the titles stay the same. If Benoit ends up on Smackdown and Eddie on Raw, the titles switch shows. If they both end up on the same show, whoever was picked first keeps their belt, while the other belt is vacated and sent to the other show. This makes the lottery seem even more important. The same situation should be applied to the 2 tag titles, as well as the IC/U.S. Title. The Cruiserweight and Women’s Titles go to whichever brand they are selected to. First and foremost, things remain normal, as Benoit ends up on Raw and Eddie on Smackdown. Cena also gets selected to Smackdown, which sets up for the first major plot twist of the evening: Evolution Well, it’s no secret that Evolution are nervous about the possibility of them getting split up. But throughout the course of the night, their nervousness lessens, as Triple H, Ric Flair, and Batista all end up getting Raw. Orton gets egotistical, because they begin thinking that they are all going to be together on Raw. Then it’s Smackdown’s turn to draw a wrestler from the lottery, and it is… Randy Orton. Orton is shocked. Pissed to. And deservedly so, considering his IC Title was taken from him (read the title situations above to see why) and he’ll have none of his Evolution buddies to help him. And his night only gets worse later, as MICK FOLEY is drawn for Smackdown, meaning that Orton is forever going to have to fight his own battles against Foley. WHAT THIS SETS UP: Orton proves to the world that he actually CAN beat Foley on his own. And also, it’s great footing for an Orton/Cena U.S. Title feud, as Orton can be made to be bitter about how because Cena was picked to Smackdown first, Orton had to relinquish his IC title when coming to Smackdown. Also, I can see Orton being the leader of his own 3-man stable, also involving Mark Jindrak and Garrison Cade (who are picked to Smackdown, obviously). Rene Dupree, the Basham Brothers, and Johnny Spade could also possibly join the stable, making it an nWo style gang, only it can be renamed something that has the acronyms “oVw”, which would be an inside joke. Other Stables I really don’t see tag teams getting split up. But instead, I see the stables getting split up. Here’s how: La Resistance: Conway and Grenier stay on Raw and team, while Dupree goes to Smackdown (rumor has it that the WWE wants to push Dupree as a singles worker). The FBI: Stamboli and Palumbo end up on Raw in the tag division. Nunzio remains on Smackdown to be a part of the Cruiserweight division. Kyo Dai: Tajiri and Akio remain on Smackdown as cruiserweight competitors, while I can see Sakoda going to Raw where I believe his style will be more appreciated. Other Tag Teams The Dudley Boyz: End up on Smackdown. Spike comes along too and becomes part of the Cruiserweight division. RVD & Booker: Bring the World Tag Titles to Smackdown. Scotty & Rikishi: If it were up to me these guys would be canned. But since that’s not an option, they bring the WWE Tag Titles to Raw. The APA: End up on Raw. The World’s Greatest Tag Team: Go to Raw (mainly to help carry the division). The Basham Brothers: Remain on Smackdown. Lance and Val: End up on Smackdown. Hurricane & Rosey: I see them getting split up, with Rosey on raw and Hurricane on Smackdown. Other Miscellaneous Wrestlers Shawn Michaels: Raw. Kurt Angle: Smackdown. Chris Jericho: Smackdown. Edge: Raw, mainly because HHH wants him on Raw, and I’m sure they’d be more than willing to oblige. Christian: Smackdown. Stone Cold: Smackdown (to feud with Rene Dupree so Dupree can get over. I think the beatdown Austin gave Dupree foreshadows the eventual feud). Kane: Raw. Undertaker: Raw. The Rock: No clue, although I’m pretty sure that he’s going to leave to make movies anyway. Most of the women: Raw. Most of the cruiserweights: Smackdown. As for the rest of the roster, I don’t really give a shit where they go. GM Situation As much as I don’t want it to happen, I see Stephanie coming back as GM of Raw so that she and Hunter can be together. I think that Bischoff will end up on Smackdown as GM, and he might possibly split his power with Heyman. Looking at the new Smackdown roster, it would be mostly former WCW and ECW guys, could make for some interesting angles. Give feedback on this please.

[Rock Bottom]

Neat ideas, but I dunno about Rene/Austin feud. La Resistance has gotten their ass kicked countless times by Americans. Remember, Goldberg did it, Rock and Foley did it, Austin did it, and I'm sure more people will do it.

[Kane Knight]

Originally Posted by Rock Bottom Neat ideas, but I dunno about Rene/Austin feud. La Resistance has gotten their ass kicked countless times by Americans. Remember, Goldberg did it, Rock and Foley did it, Austin did it, and I'm sure more people will do it.

But that's the whole reason they're there, right? To remind Americans how inferior and gay the french are, while also reminding us how strong the Americans are?

[Boondock Saint]

So it isn't as if the GMs are picking the guys, since they are in the lottery as well. It's just random drawings from a hat so to speak? Cuz I would figure the first picks from either side would be each respective champion. But since no one in particular is choosing the guys, it really is a crapshoot.

[Fryza]

Originally Posted by Rock Bottom Neat ideas, but I dunno about Rene/Austin feud. La Resistance has gotten their ass kicked countless times by Americans. Remember, Goldberg did it, Rock and Foley did it, Austin did it, and I'm sure more people will do it.

jhrej rkehjrefh eh VIVA LA RÉSISTANCE!

[Kane Knight]

Originally Posted by Boondock Saint So it isn't as if the GMs are picking the guys, since they are in the lottery as well. It's just random drawings from a hat so to speak? Cuz I would figure the first picks from either side would be each respective champion. But since no one in particular is choosing the guys, it really is a crapshoot.

Emphasis on crap.

I'm sorry, but at this point, I'm wondering if there's even a reason to keep the rosters split...

[Evil Vito]

Originally Posted by Boondock Saint So it isn't as if the GMs are picking the guys, since they are in the lottery as well. It's just random drawings from a hat so to speak? Cuz I would figure the first picks from either side would be each respective champion. But since no one in particular is choosing the guys, it really is a crapshoot.

I'm guessing that that's how it's done. I'm also guessing that the lottery would be held backstage and they'd show it at random points. It'll prolly be like the original draft, where they only do a slect number of picks before they speed it up after the show.

Although I can see a flaw in it: anyone with half a brain would see that it was rigged. Because I doubt they'd waste one of the on-air showings by announcing that some jobber like Orlando Jordan had been drawn by the Raw Brand, but at the same time, if only big names were drawn during the backstage skits, it would also be a bit TOO convienient.

If they don't do that, the only other logical way I think would be to have 50 pieces of paper that say "Raw" and 50 that say "Smackdown" and just have the wrestlers randomly pick. It could be like the Royal Rumble where they show the backstage locker room lined up waiting to pick, it gives it the whole "random" feel. Plus this way, they can still focus on the big names when they go to pick their numbers.

Big Vito: Okay, I know you guys are sick of me talking about Orton, but I got to get this out. Orton needs to stay with Evolution and not switch to another show seperate from them. Orton has the whole young cocky "Legend Killer" character and it wouldn't make any sense to break him from Flair and Trips right now because he HAS to turn on them eventually. Think back to Rock 97-98. Remember when he first joined the Nation and Farroq was leader. Rememebr how he SLOWLY started to steal the spotlight from Farroq and slowly begin his takeover of the Nation. By the Time he actually turned on Farooq and had the entire Nation turn on Farroq, he was really over with the crowd and Farooq made a great babyface at that time.

Okay, Now I admit Orton is no Rock (there I said it), but I think by him and Batista turning on Flair and Trips about 5 or 6 months from now would really solidify them as top heels, well at least Orton. Orton's character is bound to do this as he will become tired of standing in the shadow of Flair and Trips and will become jelous of thier spotlight. Orton needs to start slowly begginning his step in taking over Evolution with the New Blood (Cade, Jindrack, Maven) and start becoming a thorn in Trips' and Flair's side.

Now, just look what would come out of this whole thing. And try to look at it from a mark's point of view and not as an internet fan. We would Flair and Trips turning babyface, who you know the fans would cheer if they saw a couple of young punks disrespecting two great Legends of the business. And to top that off, you get something I know the fans have been wanting to see for a while now. You get a Shawn Michaels/HHH reunion. Just think about it. HHH and Flair are being attacked in the ring by the "New Evolution" and here comes Michaels for the save with a chair and all. As the "New Evolution" leaves, we see Michaels move towards Flair and help him up as Flair shakes his hand. Then the crowd gets silent as we see Michaels move towards HHH. Michaels extends his hand to HHH, but Hunter gets up by himself. Then the two stare at each other for a few minutes and then HHH extends his hand towards Michaels. Michaels shakes his hand and then the two hug right in the center of the ring. I mean, that would be a hell of a moment from a mark's perspective and even I would want to see that.

And then you go to the New Evolution feuding with those three guys. So that's why I think Orton needs to stay with Evolution for now.

[RGWhat316]

I see John Cena heading to RAW, cus his character fits more on that show. I agree with Vito with Nunzio being seperate from the FBI, considering he was the only member to be involved in WM. I also agree that Spike should go to SD to compete with the cruiserweights. But most of all, Im going so I get to witness it all live.

[Sensei Of Mattitude]

The only way the roster split would work is that Smackdown goes live on Thursday nights.

[blake639raw]

Well, if they're gonna completely make two rosters anyway, I think they should do away with the whole "Raw" and "SmackDown" thing. I'm sure nobody probably agrees, but they might as well just make one WCW, and one WWE. There's no point in doing this shit otherwise.

[DaveWadding]

Originally Posted by Loose Cannon Then the two stare at each other for a few minutes and then HHH extends his hand towards Michaels.

Even better than a sleeping pill! A Michaels/HHH staring contest!

[Kane Knight]

Originally Posted by blake639raw Well, if they're gonna completely make two rosters anyway, I think they should do away with the whole "Raw" and "SmackDown" thing. I'm sure nobody probably agrees, but they might as well just make one WCW, and one WWE. There's no point in doing this shit otherwise.

I'm having trouble seeing the point period right now.

This is why the WWE hates us. We have an attention span greater than that of a Goldfish, so some of us are still going "What ever happened to that whole 'seperate identities' thing?"

Hey Percy, you wanna supersize that McMahonwhich?

[rottednation]

I still think that Vince should never have killed WCW, or ECW. I mean, sure the WCW thing was just lame, but it showed that there was more than just WWE Wrestling. I mean, he could've made tons more money if he kept the two. I heard the rumors of him bringing back ECW, and that just sounds smart...

As for the WWE RAW, WWE SMACKDOWN! 2004 Draft, I also believe it was lame to split them up as seperate shows. RAW and SMACKDOWN! deserve more thatn being split. The new rosters should be good, but I still prefer one united company...

Then again, it's just me...

[Kane Knight]

Well, the idea kinda died when they couldn't get TV time for the "new" WCW show. Beyond that, they totally fucked up the inVasion angle.


Right there, we have two major problems...Lack of a second genuine promotion and lack of a real buildup. So they killed it.

Makes sense, to an extent. The WWE hasn't really been able to handle the Cruiserweights well, so how on earth would they book an entire WCW promotion?

[rottednation]

Originally Posted by Kane Knight Well, the idea kinda died when they couldn't get TV time for the "new" WCW show. Beyond that, they totally fucked up the inVasion angle. Right there, we have two major problems...Lack of a second genuine promotion and lack of a real buildup. So they killed it. Makes sense, to an extent. The WWE hasn't really been able to handle the Cruiserweights well, so how on earth would they book an entire WCW promotion?

I totally understand what you saying. I mean, that is a problem, but he had time before, and I think he should've thought about it long before he ****ed up with INVASION...

[loopydate]

I had a whole long thing explaining my reasoning behind everything, but IE crashed on me. Holy fleurking schnit...

Anyway, what I think is going to happen is that Vince isn't going to allow the GMs to pick their own guys. After what he said about Eric and Paul giving favors to their favorite guys, I think he'll make the top 30 picks himself, then leave everything else up to the drawing.

This is how I'd do it:

===
RAW's picks
Chris Benoit
Randy Orton
The Rock
The Undertaker
Kane
Booker T
Shawn Michaels
Mick Foley
Edge
The Big Show
Batista
Mark Henry
Rikishi
Matt Morgan
A-Train

SmackDown's picks
Eddie Guerrero
John Cena
Kurt Angle
Triple H
Ric Flair
Rob Van Dam
Chris Jericho
Christian
Matt Hardy
Rhyno
Sean O'Haire
Hardcore Holly
Lance Storm
Billy Gunn
Nick Dinsmore

From there, Vince will swap the Cruiserweights and the Women (putting all the Divas on SmackDown, whether they're wrestlers or not), so...

RAW gets
Chavo Guerrero
Rey Mysterio
Tajiri
Scotty 2 Hotty
Jamie Noble
Billy Kidman
The Hurricane
Spike Dudley
Nunzio
Shannon Moore
Paul London
Ultimo Dragon
Akio
Funaki

SmackDown gets
Victoria
Molly Holly
Trish Stratus
Lita
Shaniqua
Stacy Keibler
Torrie Wilson
Sable
Miss Jackie
Jazz
Dawn Marie
Nidia
Gail Kim
Ivory
Jacqueline
Lilian Garcia
Terri

Since that puts SmackDown at a three-person advantage, Vince makes a judgment call and puts Sakoda and the Dudley Boyz on RAW to keep their groups together.

Then, the lottery is held to decide where the rest of the superstars will go. These are in a fairly random order (to make it look like it's really random ).

RAW draws
Sylvan Grenier
Rosey
Christopher Nowinski
Rene Dupree
Bradshaw
Orlando Jordan
Jon Heidenreich
Danny Basham
John Hennigan/Johnny Blaze/Johnny Spade/"Little Johnny?"
Rodney Mack
Doug Basham
Rico
Nova


SmackDown draws
Mark Jindrak
Val Venis
Scott Steiner
Tommy Dreamer
Rob Conway
Chuck Palumbo
Maven
Shelton Benjamin
Charlie Haas
Steven Richards
Garrison Cade
Test
Johnny Stamboli

The announcers are divided up next.

RAW
Play-by-Play = Michael Cole
Color Commentary = Jerry Lawler
Backstage = Al Snow

SmackDown!
Play-By-Play = Jim Ross
Color Commentary = Tazz
Backstage = Jonathan Coachman

Then, to run the shows, Vince appoints three-person committees. RAW's general manager is still Eric Bischoff, but Stephanie McMahon will be overseeing him, and William Regal will be the "Enforcer"-type guy. Over on SmackDown, Paul Heyman continues to run things, but he gets Steve Austin as his new sheriff and Shane McMahon breathing down his neck.

Oh, and Theodore Long goes to RAW and Bill DeMott does stuff for SmackDown. I couldn't figure out what to do with those two
===

That was a good deal of work, and that's just about everyone (using the WWE.com rosters as references).

So, if you don't like it...piss on you, 'cause that was hard.

Thoughts?

[loopydate]

Possible post-draft storylines ('cause I got nothing better to do):

RAW
- Eric Bischoff claims that he's going to do what Paul Heyman failed to do at Wrestlemania. He's going to give them a cruiserweight open that is decided, not by individual one-on-one matches, but by a fifteen-man cluster of brutality. In the end, surprise entrant Nova picks up the victory.

- Edge jumps right into the main event, saving Mick Foley from a Randy Orton/Batista beatdown. By Bad Blood, Edge is wearing the Intercontinental Title, gearing up for a run at Chris Benoit for Survivor Series.

- Chris Benoit finally gets his clean win over Shawn Michaels, then goes into a feud with Booker T that lights up arenas (like their best-of-seven series from WCW).

- John Hennigan is revealed as "Little Johnny." He then does us all a favor and ends Jon Heidenreich's career.

SmackDown!
- With no World Tag Team Champions (since Scotty and Rikishi took the WWE belts to RAW), SmackDown holds a tournament to decide new champs. During a first-round match pitting Triple H and Ric Flair against Garrison Cade and Mark Jindrak, Cade brutally turns on Jindrak, helping H and Naitch pick up the victory. Cade has joined Evolution, and Jindrak swears revenge!

- World's Greatest Tag Team beats the Lords of the Ring in the tournament final.

- Jindrak talks about bringing in "some old friends" to deal with Evolution. During a Jindrak vs. Flair match, the cavalry arrives when Sean O'Haire, Johnny Stamboli, and Chuck Palumbo run in. The Natural Born Thrillers reunite! This feud keeps Triple H out of the main event for the time being, so...

- Eddie Guerrero, Kurt Angle, and Rob Van Dam can put on an incredible string of matches, culminating in Guerrero finally dropping the belt to Angle at Summerslam.

[Evil Vito]

loopydate = Ratings

You're getting rep for that.

[loopydate]

Originally Posted by Big Vito 22 loopydate = Ratings

Thanks, Vito. As always, I know there's no chance in hell of it happening that way, but a mark can dream, right?

BTW, I promise unimaginable wealth to anyone who takes a sign that says that to a WWE TV taping.

Originally Posted by loopydate Possible post-draft storylines ('cause I got nothing better to do): RAW - Eric Bischoff claims that he's going to do what Paul Heyman failed to do at Wrestlemania. He's going to give them a cruiserweight open that is decided, not by individual one-on-one matches, but by a fifteen-man cluster of brutality. In the end, surprise entrant Nova picks up the victory. - Edge jumps right into the main event, saving Mick Foley from a Randy Orton/Batista beatdown. By Bad Blood, Edge is wearing the Intercontinental Title, gearing up for a run at Chris Benoit for Survivor Series. - Chris Benoit finally gets his clean win over Shawn Michaels, then goes into a feud with Booker T that lights up arenas (like their best-of-seven series from WCW). SmackDown! - With no World Tag Team Champions (since Scotty and Rikishi took the WWE belts to RAW), SmackDown holds a tournament to decide new champs. During a first-round match pitting Triple H and Ric Flair against Garrison Cade and Mark Jindrak, Cade brutally turns on Jindrak, helping H and Naitch pick up the victory. Cade has joined Evolution, and Jindrak swears revenge! - World's Greatest Tag Team beats the Lords of the Ring in the tournament final. - Jindrak talks about bringing in "some old friends" to deal with Evolution. During a Jindrak vs. Flair match, the cavalry arrives when Sean O'Haire, Johnny Stamboli, and Chuck Palumbo run in. The Natural Born Thrillers reunite! This feud keeps Triple H out of the main event for the time being, so... - Eddie Guerrero, Kurt Angle, and Rob Van Dam can put on an incredible string of matches, culminating in Guerrero finally dropping the belt to Angle at Summerslam.

Okay, when I first started reading this I was like "NO WAY" cause you fk'ed up the whole Evolution/Randy Orton storyline, but then I saw THE NBT Stable and I was like .

[loopydate]

Originally Posted by Loose Cannon Okay, when I first started reading this I was like "NO WAY" cause you fk'ed up the whole Evolution/Randy Orton storyline, but then I saw THE NBT Stable and I was like .

I forgot to add something about the Evolution breakup. After the draft splits the group in two, Orton gets on the mic and talks about how he never needed Trips and Flair. As a matter of fact, they were holding him down! As long as he and Triple H were on the show, Randy was never going to rise above the glass ceiling. The best he could hope for was the Intercontinental Championship, because Hunter would never let him do any better. Now that Hunter's gone, the Legend Killer can go on to greater and greater things. And with the leviathan Batista on his side, there's no one who can...

*ScreeeeeeeeeeeeeCRASH*

Foley comes out, cuts a killer promo, formally accepts Randy's challenge for Backlash, and it's on.

[Joe Kerr]

I think if the rosters are going to split up it needs to be done right. Not a few switches. Move the cruiserweights to raw. as much as I dont want to see it The Worlds greatest tag team split up could be great. they both seem like they could do great as singles wrestlers. Cena/Orton feud would be nice. Kurt Angle/ Chris Jericho , Edge/Orton and even Edge/Jericho could be great...so on raw the top 10 guys id like to see is

RAW
Edge
John Cena
Randy Orton
Kurt Angle
Chris Jericho
Undertaker
Kane
Rey Mysterio
Big Show
Hurricane

[BLaZeR-]

loopydate's Booker T/Benoit feud and Natural Born Thrillers ideas makes me wanna orgasm.