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Old 02-27-2008, 05:30 PM   #1
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I would like John Cena more if...
He went back to using "Basic Thuganomics" as his theme music. It is pretty widely accepted that a wrestler's entrance and theme are very important to how he is perceived. When John Cena used his old theme, he had a more cocky walk to the ring that just went with the music. It made Cena just seem a lot better.

Cena never started getting booed until he used "My Time is Now." Not only is the music pretty bad, but there are several elements that make it quite pretentious. Here is the video as a reference:



And now onto what annoys me about it:

1. The lead-in
It builds Cena up as a big deal, which seems good, in theory, but in practice, it's just annoying. Each note of the lead-in makes me want to change the channel more and more. It also just screams of the WWE wanting us to cheer him. It's like when they do that annoying delay before a face wrestler comes out, in an attempt to "build the anticipation." What it does is says "we want you to cheer this guy," which in turn makes a lot of people tell the WWE "hey, fuck you, I'll boo him instead."

2. That annoying sound at about 10 seconds
As I have said before, if my best friend made this sound more than once in a row, I would punch him the face and not invite him to my wedding. It is so fucking annoying and sounds like something a twelve year old (at the oldest) with ADD would say if he was not getting enough attention and couldn't think of something to say. It makes me associate John Cena with retards, and that is not a good thing.

3. The way he comes onto the stage
When Cena storms out from behind the curtain, I am again reminded of a kid with learning difficulties. When Cena is composed, walks out calmly, it is much, much, MUCH cooler than when he flails his arms about to get a mild crowd...well, mild.

4. It's out-dated
Johnny won the WWE Championship three years ago now. It's been his time for three fucking years. Now while you can argue the same thing about "Basic Thuganomics," and that Cena is no longer a rapping character, at least that music was cool. "My Time is Now" is pretty much an athem proclaiming a new era is coming. Um, when is this era arriving exactly? It was good for his first title win, at best. Now it's as tedious as the whole "underdog" thing, despite Cena being WWE Champion for 80% of any given year. Probably more than that.

I've also said this before, and it's not really entrance-related, but it kind of irks me that Cena wears jean shorts to wrestle. Look, I know some people like busting out the "oh, spandex would be much cooler" line, but the guy is a fucking wrestler. It, by nature, is a little gay. The least he could do is be honest about it. Baggy attire suits some wrestlers. Paul London & Brian Kendrick are fine with what they wear as a team, because it is obviously there to look flashy, and to get them attention. I'm not saying Cena needs to wear a tight-fitting g-string. But the man is the World Wrestling Entertainment Champion most of the time, he cannot be ashamed of being a wrestler, and wearing wresting attire.

I don't mind it when guys wear street clothes in a Street Fight. It seems really fucking stupid to me to go into a fight more personal than professional wearing speedos. Unless you really want to embarrass a guy. Cena could at least wear wrestling shorts. As a professional wrestler as competitive as he is, he should go in with something that doesn't restrict his movement, says he is a competitor and that he is serious about upholding the honor of this business. Especially as a babyface. The Rock wore traditional attire, Stone Cold Steve Austin wore traditional attire, Triple H wears traditional attire. What Jeff Hardy wears isn't really "traditional," but I would not wear it out on the street. It at least looks like he put it on specifically for the match.

A runner does not run in jeans, a boxer does not box in a suit, a swimmer does not wear a clown costume. They all wear attire specifically designed for their field of competition. A wrestler, specifically a successful one, should do the same.

So yeah, to me, the aestetics of John Cena actually have a lot to do with why he is so "controversial" as a top guy. Put him in something that makes him look like a wrestler and less like a guy half-assing it. Also give him music which doesn't build him up as much, but just presents him as who he is.

Music is also an issue with The Undertaker, I feel. If he started using his Attitude era theme again, then I would probably not be as bothered by the, well, camp, of the character. Attire is also an issue with The Undertaker, but it's from the opposite side of the spectrum. The guy looks like he came from the gayest production of The Phantom of the Opera ever. The guy just needs to take notes from his Attitude era days, I think.

The Attitude era theme to which I am referring:


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Old 02-27-2008, 05:34 PM   #2
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Yeah, you'll all stop bitching about Cena if he changes him music. Sure.
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Old 02-27-2008, 05:52 PM   #3
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Didn't say that. I said that he would be less annoying.
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Old 02-27-2008, 05:57 PM   #4
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I just speak for myself, though.
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He'd still have the high-energy entrance no matter what they give him. It's pretty much one of his trademarks and part of the gimmick now. Unless, of course, they change his gimmick, and I have serious doubts that's in the cards anytime soon.
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Old 02-27-2008, 07:25 PM   #6
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I'll agree on the changing of the theme music. Basic Thuganomics was a much better theme. And no it wont get me completely liking Cena, but going back to the old theme would make him a little more tolerable.
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I didn't read all of that but...

"Basic Thuganomics", for the most part when he had it he was a heel. Thus he would come out more collected and subdued than a face. When he started to go face, he would spaz out more and more, but it looked kinda out of place.

Now fully a face he got new "upbeat" music to which he can fully spaz bout the stage when he comes out.

The really annoying thing is how he always gets a dramatic pause before his entrance music starts. Rock and Austin sometimes got them, but not all the time. So for Cena they're just doing it every single time in order to try to manufacture some sort of reaction. It pisses me off. I hate to see dramatic pauses just thrown about. Especially for one who is hardly dramatic pause worthy.
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Old 02-27-2008, 07:38 PM   #8
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Wow. You must have been pretty bored, Noid.

Anyway, Cena's current theme does bother me. Maybe not enough to make me hate or like him more or less because of it, but enough to be notable. Basic Thuganomics is a great theme, to boot. The problem is, John Cena's character is well represented by "My Time Is Now" or whatever it's called. So the problems with the theme are problems with the character itself, too. Unless Cena stops acting that way, he's going to get booed.
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Old 02-27-2008, 08:34 PM   #9
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dont care about Cena.


but I definitely enjoy The Undertaker's attitude era music more than his vintage theme.
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Old 02-27-2008, 08:38 PM   #10
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God, that Taker theme is sooooo gay. It's like it came off the soundtrack to some really bad 80s TV series.
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I really like the attitude taker theme, definitely his best since his wwe debut. I also dislike his current attire, i would love to see him go back to his outfit he wore in the early 90s: black sleeveless shirt, gray gloves and the gray stir ups over his boots.
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As far as Cena goes, I think you have a good point. His entrance is a little much, as it reflects on his "goody goody" persona, instead of the badass. But, they probably changed his entrance for a reason (along with his entire character), to attract to a different audience.

But for Taker, I don't really agree with. Right now in his career, his persona (or entrance for that matter) probably isn't going to change one bit. His entrance is based on nostalgia, and the people love it. He's still (arguably) the top babyface in the entire company. So if it's not broken, why fix it?
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Ok, I do have to agree Noid, He would be less annoying, he actually in my opinion was a very good wrestler back around the time he was fighting Big Show and Carlito over the U.S title, then he started getting the Superman Push, and the changes with his music, then his devastating firemans carry, and knuckle drop, and he started to piss me off.
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Old 02-28-2008, 12:23 AM   #14
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Cena started using the FU when he was feuding with Brock (possibly even before but the name was coined during the feud), before the US title run.
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He used to actually do a DVD though, not just a fireman's carry slam. Was Heyman still booking Smackdown back when Cena was interesting?
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Cena started using the FU when he was feuding with Brock (possibly even before but the name was coined during the feud), before the US title run.
I meant his devasting firemans carry, as in the one no one ever kicks out of, not the one he had before.
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What's with the arm flailing and stumbling like a retarded person that he does now?
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God, that Taker theme is sooooo gay. It's like it came off the soundtrack to some really bad 80s TV series.

I hope you are talking about the attitude theme.

As for cena, even though i like basic thuganomics better, it has shit all to do with why he gets booed. As KK said the problem is with the character. Have him stop acting like vanilla ice with muscles, and go back to the hardass anti-hero that made him popular in the first place.
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God how can you people prefer that cheese goth rock theme for taker. I honestly couldn't stand attitude/ministry taker as he lost his mystique, and was no longer enigmatic. AT least not nearly as much. He was just some evil goth fucker.
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For real, Noid?
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If Cena went back to most of his old things he'd be accepted a lot more.

And with Taker, I thought his 4 Attitude and Ministry themes were his best, and more importantly as they were faster paced he'd enter the ring about twice as quick as when he used/uses Graveyard Symphony.
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On WWE 24/7 this month, the shorties are Wrestlemania matches overshadowed by other great moments. Cena vs. Big Show from Wrestlemania XX was on there.

Jesus has he changed. Basic Thugonomics hit and MSG went nuts. There was a time where New York loved Cena. Watching the match, everything about him has changed. Even as a face back then he had more attitude, not just playing to the kids "generic babyface" style. His moves were different, he cheated to win, basically he had something more to him than what you see now.
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Another thing; if Cena is supposed to be an actual rapper, he shouldn't let his theme get so stale.
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Another thing; if Cena is supposed to be an actual rapper, he shouldn't let his theme get so stale.
What puzzles me is that they stopped the freestyles, THEN produced a rap CD, though his character had arleady progressed beyond, you know, rapping. They changed his theme music to a track from the CD, a change no doubt deliberately intended to promote the CD, and have continued it.

So they're promoting the CD of a rapper who doesn't rap in an environment where the promotion makes no sense anymore.

Speaking of which, remember the one time, like a year ago where John Cena busted out a freestyle for like the first time in ages? And the crowd, like, actually responded positively? It's like there's a trend.

I don't even know why I'm bothering with this. Probably boredom. WWE is unwatchable right now; I asked four or five people on Tuesday if I missed anything on Raw, and they all said "no." The only way changes in Cena would make the product better is if they were indicative of some greater change in WWE that makes it worth a shit. Changing Cena is unbelivable enough, sweeping changes in WWE is as likely as Chris Benoit winning "Husband of the Year."
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Old 02-28-2008, 12:01 PM   #27
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Actually, Benoit was pretty high up in the running for Husband of the Year. He told his wife "I'd kill for you." He just failed to specify who.
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Old 02-28-2008, 01:27 PM   #28
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I would like Cena more if he could stay out of the spot light longer than 5 minutes even while injured.
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Old 02-28-2008, 09:00 PM   #29
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Your Cena-hatin' is about to come to an end. He is forming a tag team with Hulk Hogan, which will blow the world away.

Hogan's in intensive training as we speak. In fact, at Cena's insistance, here's Hogan doing some research in preparation of their debut as a team.
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Old 02-28-2008, 09:04 PM   #30
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Old 02-28-2008, 09:06 PM   #31
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By the way, this should be Cena's new entrance theme.

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I agree that a wrestlers theme does have a great affect. Thuganomics is a better theme, but the WWE as always, sold out and gave him a new entance theme that just happened to be on Cena's new CD.
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Old 03-01-2008, 05:09 AM   #33
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God how can you people prefer that cheese goth rock theme for taker. I honestly couldn't stand attitude/ministry taker as he lost his mystique, and was no longer enigmatic. AT least not nearly as much. He was just some evil goth fucker.
Undertaker represented death, not goth, christ
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I'm going to guess you are or were a goth.
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Studied it and still have certain views that are 'goth'
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God, that Taker theme is sooooo gay. It's like it came off the soundtrack to some really bad 80s TV series.
I prefer it way more than the fucking funeral music.

Honestly, Taker coming out to the Death March, with a new hat, was one of the most disappointing moments in recent WWE history. And there have been a lot of disappointing moments.
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I hope you are talking about the attitude theme.

As for cena, even though i like basic thuganomics better, it has shit all to do with why he gets booed. As KK said the problem is with the character. Have him stop acting like vanilla ice with muscles, and go back to the hardass anti-hero that made him popular in the first place.
Not true. The character is the largest part, true, but you are being ignorant if you don't think an entrance can effect the way audiences react.
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I think the point he's trying to make is that a different entrance theme, especially a step back to one of his old songs, is not going to make a big enough impact to justify making the change at all. People like his current theme, with the weird ringing bells/synthesizer noise at the beginning and the loud "RABADOOO!" thing.

If he was going to change his theme, he should come up with something new and original. He is a "musician" after all, right?
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