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Old 06-24-2008, 05:53 PM   #41
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I guess J.R and Foley are gonna do a good job and as the shows are gonna be taped, they can easily edit J.R's bloopers.
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Old 06-24-2008, 06:27 PM   #42
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i like how he ain't "tramping on down to Connecticut"
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Old 06-24-2008, 07:33 PM   #43
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Nobody knew? So Umaga gets drafted and just decides to go decapitate bobcore and co-rhodes without anybody knowing? Nice.
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Apparantly, Umanga and HHH knew in advance
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Kennedy would have had to know a few minutes in advance unless they had the entire roster at the Gorilla position.
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Wait, Umaga and Batista were told of their move ahead of time, and J.R., legendary announcer and head of fucking talent relations, wasn't?

That's a bit stupid.
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Old 06-24-2008, 10:28 PM   #47
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Definitely agree that he should have been notified, but he still sounds like a huge baby in that post.

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I'm all for thinking JR's time is done, and wanting someone "new" to call Raw. I have no problem with a phase out.

You gotta tell JR though he is getting moved to SD.
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Why is his time done?

Cole has improved over the years, but he's still no JR. And whether you agree with that statement or not, you can't dispute that no one can deliver on the more emotional moments like JR can.

He may have lost a step or two the past few years, but I think a lot of people are overreacting to that. He's still the best current announcer, as far as I'm concerned.
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A. Michael Cole is terrible.

B. JR is still the best hype machine in the business.

C. They didn't even tell him before hand. At the very least he should have been notified.
A. Michael Cole is not terrible. With JBL and with Mick Foley he is really quite good. Especially Foley. JBL/Cole was more JBL than Cole.

B. I disagree. JR can still be good, I guess, but he is no longer anywhere near the great he used to be. He and Lawler pretty much ruined Chris Jericho's return, for example.

C. This one I agree with. But would JR have done RAW then? For authenticity sake, I guess they might have felt like they had to do what they had to do.
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C. This one I agree with. But would JR have done RAW then? For authenticity sake, I guess they might have felt like they had to do what they had to do.

It's Jim Ross, not Bret Hart for god's sake.
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Old 06-24-2008, 11:27 PM   #52
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I agree. That was SO heel of him to respond that way. In fact, I don't think anyone had ever played one of JR's comments like that before (besides when the King did his annoying heel shtick, and I'm not counting that because I HATE the King).
Seriously, accident or no, that was a total Heenan move. If they could have Adamle pull that kind of shit a few times per broadcast, he could be fucking awesome.
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Why is his time done?

Cole has improved over the years, but he's still no JR. And whether you agree with that statement or not, you can't dispute that no one can deliver on the more emotional moments like JR can.

He may have lost a step or two the past few years, but I think a lot of people are overreacting to that. He's still the best current announcer, as far as I'm concerned.
I argee with him being the best, and I think he is by far actually. Still he's not going to be around forever. He's a had a lot of medical problems too. Also I think it could end up being a good thing to freshen it up a little.

So I think it's fine if you want to start life without JR, and it's gonna be good for Cole to be stepping in now, and getting some on the job trainning so to speak.

I even think JR understands that to. Still all is what you have to do is give him a call, and explain it.

JR deserves that at least.
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It's Jim Ross, not Bret Hart for god's sake.
Huh? You saw how JR reacted to getting drafted. He thought about quitting, and was complaining a fair bit about it on-air, to my understanding. If Vince called up JR before the show and said "Hey Jim, we're drafting you to SmackDown!," what would JR have done? Quite possibly have said "Sorry, I'm quitting." How would that have come off on WWE TV?
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Old 06-24-2008, 11:42 PM   #55
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Jim Ross moving is definitely good. It instantly adds a new feel to SmackDown!, something that the other moves of the draft (particularly Triple H) will do, as well. He will also get to work with Mick Foley, who if remains a commentator, could have quite the legendary stretch in front of him. JR/Foley could be a fantastic team, if you ask me. JR is your usual babyface-bias commentator, and Foley has been playing a more "you have to give the bad guys credit" role than he would as a wrestler. That was the kind of chemistry that made JR/King initially so good, in my opinion. Also, post-production will help JR sort his shit out.

This also phases out JR as lead commentator of the WWE. He's not going to be around forever, and seems to be taking it "night at a time." According to some of his blogs. It's a way of moving JR out of the spotlight a bit, and letting him ease into the sunset.

Ideally, Tazz will swap with Jerry Lawler in the supplementary draft, as Michael Cole and Tazz were quite a good duo, and Lawler working with Mike Adamle could be hilarious. I mean, I think I would prefer Cole/Tazz and Adamle/Lawler to Cole/King and Adamle/Tazz, respectively, so while still not perfect teams, the swaps would do them good.
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Wait, Umaga and Batista were told of their move ahead of time, and J.R., legendary announcer and head of fucking talent relations, wasn't?

That's a bit stupid.
Well Vince said in a conference call a month or so ago that Umaga would be moving to Smackdown.
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I don't care either way about being told beforehand. From a showmanship pov, this is really the only interesting part of the drft aside from H and Matt Hardy. Nothing else is new or surprising.
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Why does he HAVE to be "the next JR" to be accepted as as good or even better than him? He should have his own style of commentating and what he does. He can't be expected to use the exact same phrases JR uses or whatever, so why should we expect him to?
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Seriously, where was the wrong about that? I certainly would worry about my job if that was me being there (unless Cole was told beforehand).

Again, I'm seriously confused as to why that opinion qualified for a neg rep. PLEASE tell me that no one else WOULD be worried about a job at that point. Or maybe I'm not making it clear enough what I mean (how clearer can I be?).
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Why does he HAVE to be "the next JR" to be accepted as as good or even better than him? He should have his own style of commentating and what he does. He can't be expected to use the exact same phrases JR uses or whatever, so why should we expect him to?
My biggest beef with Michael Cole (and most other announcers), is that they don't seem to have a genuine passion for the industry. In my opinion, that really comes across.

Jim Ross eats, breathes, and sleeps the business. Heck - even when he's screwing up his lines, he's still 1,000,000x better than the rest IMO. No one can match that passion. Paul Heyman is the only other guy that I know, that is in the same class as Jim Ross (at current day...I'm not talking about those in yester-year).

As far as color commentary goes - again, I think Paul Heyman is head over heels better than the rest....due to the natural passion he has for sports-entertainment.

JR and Paul Heyman were the greatest announce tandem ever created in my opinion. It's a shame that they're not together today. Tazz and JBL are other color commentators that I think are EXCELLENT (although I don't put them in the same bracket as Paul Heyman). Lawler, while not terrible, isn't as good as Tazz/JBL.

Just my opinion.
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I was just watching the move, and Michael Cole seemed pretty shocked by it, to be honest. It sounded like his voice was genuinely cracking at that point in time. Then when he was drafted to RAW, it seemed like he was trying to hide his elation via a humble connection to SmackDown!. Probably trying to be polite to JR.

I don't know, when JR came over, I felt pretty sad for Michael Cole. I don't think the guy is that good an actor to pull it off without genuine emotion.
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Seriously, where was the wrong about that? I certainly would worry about my job if that was me being there (unless Cole was told beforehand).

You're also legitimately stupid, so what you would do has little to no real measure on what might be going through the head of someone with a clue.

Anyway, JR'll be back on Raw. Lawler will shit over anyone who tries to take the booth, and JR'll have a hissyfit. Anyone want to start a pool on how long this lasts?
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Wait, Umaga and Batista were told of their move ahead of time, and J.R., legendary announcer and head of fucking talent relations, wasn't?

That's a bit stupid.
Batista wasn't told. Umaga officially wasn't told either but it was a lock since they mentioned on a conference call months ago he was going to Smackdown. Jim Ross isn't the head of talent relations either. Hasn't been for like 5 years.

The guy is an announcer who works 5 or 6 days a month. Big fucking deal.
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yea, here's kind of how I see it. I understand why Ross would be upset. Yea, he wasn't told he was moving to another spot and it kind of caught him off guard. ok.

But you can play the Bret Hart card here and Ross is a hypacrite to call Bret a whiner. Wrestling is a fake sport. It's not like Jim's pay is going to change or anything. He's getting fake demoted in theory to announce a fake show. Just like everyone argues Bret let it go to his head that he had a "fake title" in a "fake sport" and how he was above everyone. It's the same fucking thing Jim. Like Rob said, they didn't tell anybody else, so why does Ross get a pass?

The only difference is Jim Ross is on TV another night. Same pay (or probably more cause he cried about it), same benefits, same vacation. So shut the fuck up and do your job
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ROFL, surprised no-one noticed this... (Read the bits in bold)

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As many of you know, I was “drafted” to Smackdown Monday night in the “random lottery”. Obviously that means I will be leaving Monday Night Raw and my long time partner Jerry Lawler.

I am not happy about this surprise development.

I also contemplated calling it a career Monday night and not going to Houston to tape SD.

After speaking with my wife and thinking on this matter until 6 a.m. Tuesday morning, I have decided to do the right thing for the fans who care and the talent who care and begin my new assignment.

It has been explained to me that the WWE’s Smackdown tenure on My Network is a high priority within the corporation. Allegedly, my presence is needed in that effort.

Many are speculating about when I learned of this development…the same time those of you were watching at home. I should have detected something with the demeanor of certain individuals either thru their plastic, poker faces or the perceived smirk that I thought I might have seen on some of their faces during the day.

As far as going to Connecticut each week to do Smackdown post production, that’s not going to happen. Either Mick Foley can handle it or the WWE can install a DSL line in my home to facilitate the work.

I will miss working with the King as the wrestling biz is one in which a guy can count his legit friends on one hand…even after a 30 plus year career. King has been like a brother to me….albeit an “older brother”. We will remain friends no matter that our team has been corporately imploded.

I believe that I have been strongly loyal to the WWE no matter the hands that were dealt to me over the years. In my tenure there I have earned a good living of which I am thankful. I will fulfill my commitments that I have made because unlike many in the business, my word is still my bond.

I can’t predict how long my Smackdown tenure will be, but I can promise that no matter how long or short it is that I will do my utmost best while sitting at ringside. I am not the kind of man who will “phone in” a damn thing.

My sincere thanks to all of you who have supported me on RAW over the years. I hope I was able to provide you a memory or two. Hopefully, we can create new memories now on Smackdown.

Based on my professional experiences, I look at each broadcast as potentially my last, which helps keep me motivated. So with that said we begin another chapter in my crazy life in the unpredictable world of ‘rasslin.

I still plan on attending RAW in my home market of OKC next Monday and I hear that tickets are still available. Any one have any extras?

Boomer Sooner!
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I actually think that Jerry Lawler will be fired before he gets his way this time. Vince eventually got rid of Joey Styles, and Vince has been looking to edge JR out for some time. The WWE has gone without him in the past before, too. Lawler can very easily be replaced by JBL, if he agrees to step out of the ring again, and JR could very easily be replaced by Josh Mathews or Todd Grisham (hopefully the former).

To be perfectly honest, if I were Vince McMahon, I'd be sick of caving into the demands of JR. He works for me, dammit! Fuck, worst case scenario, I'd get really smarmy, and put Joey Styles back into head commentary position somewhere. At least that guy goes where I tell him.
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JR might get to work RAW next week, as a farewell, and maybe the WWE will let Jim Ross and Jerry Lawler work together for events such as inter-promotional matches, and the like, and maybe host PPV preview shows on WWE.com, or something, but I don't think we'll see JR and King back together full-time on RAW again.

Although, I could very end up wrong. Not going to take a $100 bet from Rob, that's for sure. So, to put my technical vote in, KK: 7 days.
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To those who think this is a work...

...JR is NOT a good enough actor to feign being as stunned as he was.
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To those who think this is a work...

...JR is NOT a good enough actor to feign being as stunned as he was.
I think the same thing about Michael Cole. Pretty sure they weren't informed.
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Well hopefully the combination of HHH, Edge and Jeff Hardy will be working title matches for the next year, which deserves to be the main event of PPVs. That way, JR will get his slot anyways.

If HHH is still on Smackdown come next years Mania, he's probably going to be the last on the card. I'd love to see Edge vs HHH teased all summer and fall and saved for Mania.
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anyone got a video of Ross being drafted? I didn't watch Raw on Monday (Had friends over, was playing Rock Band), so I don't know how surprised this was.
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The shot of Michael Cole's face immediately after it leaves the screen revealing he was drafted to RAW says it all: he was freaked out by what was happening. The dude looked like he was about to cry. Also, he forgot to pick up his notes before initially standing after he got up.

Also, the comment to Mick: "Well, Mick, you got your wish." Was really sharp. Mick had been joking about working with JR instead of him heading into the draft. I can't turn it up too loud on my computer, but watching RAW, I'm sure I heard the word "job" in there from Cole. It sounded like he thought he might have been out of a job, I dunno. I might be hearing things.
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The shot of Michael Cole's face immediately after it leaves the screen revealing he was drafted to RAW says it all: he was freaked out by what was happening. The dude looked like he was about to cry. Also, he forgot to pick up his notes before initially standing after he got up.

Also, the comment to Mick: "Well, Mick, you got your wish." Was really sharp. Mick had been joking about working with JR instead of him heading into the draft. I can't turn it up too loud on my computer, but watching RAW, I'm sure I heard the word "job" in there from Cole. It sounded like he thought he might have been out of a job, I dunno. I might be hearing things.
THANK YOU!! At least SOMEONE else knows what I was talking about (funny that KK and Noid have this feud going on, and Noid agrees with ME! Shows you who's the stupid one, huh, KK?).

Notice too that Adamle was shocked too, saying "no way" to the question of if Cole was out of a job. That question WAS looming because the announcers even brought it up.
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If Cole didn't immediately realise that he was going to Raw, he's an idiot. With Raw still due a draft pick seconds later, and their play-by-play guy just been taken away, and ECW not getting a draft pick, what was he realistically expecting? Lawler to SmackDown too, and no announce team on Raw? Adamle to Raw, leaving Tazz to announce ECW on his own?? Tazz to Raw, leaving Adamle on his own, and an all-colour Raw team??

There's no way Michael Cole didn't realise instantly that he was off to Raw, so save it.

Also, with those telling JR to stop bitching, I know where he's coming from. They didn't just change his job role slightly, they made a decision which changed his whole lifestyle and sprung it on him on live TV. JR has a business to run, and a ten-year old routine travelling with his best friend Jerry Lawler. It may only be one day but you don't know how much the move will interefere with his everyday life and affect the things he does on a weekly basis.

I'm not saying it's the same, but about a month ago the company I work for turned around to everyone and told them that our Mon-Fri (as they have been, unchanged, for the three years they have been in business) shifts would now incorporate Saturdays instead. You might think so what, but to me, that meant no more Friday nights out on the piss... and considering all my buddies tend to do their drinking and socialising on Fridays, that fucked up my routine and my social life. But that's nothing compared to some of my co-workers. Some of them had weekend jobs to supplement their wages which they then had to give up. Some have kids and must now arrange childcare on Saturdays out of their own pockets. One guy in particular was a semi-pro footballer who had just signed for a team and, as my company is his full-time job and main source of income (and the team plays Saturdays), he can no longer play football. It has cost him money and his sporting career.

I know it's not that similar, being too starkly different types of job, but still I'm just trying to convey how forcibly altering somebody's entire routine by just one day can fuck up a lot of shit, and they should have had the courtesy to give him at the very least some advance warning, if not allow him the opportunity to put together a case as to why he can't make the move to SmackDown.
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