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Old 09-01-2008, 06:06 PM   #1
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The quote that's got people up in arms (PS3, Little Big Planet)
Are you going to be moderating the content of levels? This is quite likely to happen, especially when you allow use of the PlayStation Eye to take pictures.
We’ll be using a similar model to SingStar. There’ll be user moderation, so people can flag different levels if they find content abusive. The thing about the PlayStation Network, as opposed to the internet in general, is that you’re never truly anonymous. You’ve signed up to the service and have to log in to post levels, so we’ve got information on you.
We could brick someone’s PS3. I mean, that’s an extreme example, but we have the ability to do that. Mostly, though, your level will be removed and, if you repeatedly offend, you could get banned from the service.


http://www.lbpcentral.com/50-or-so-i...-more/#more-76


Seriously doubt it's gonna be an issue, but people seem to have picked up on the "bricking" portion. Still, might have been dumb to open that box, whether they're using it or not.

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Old 09-01-2008, 06:13 PM   #2
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I can see people overreacting from it, too.

Microsoft and Nintendo could in fact break anyone else's system with a faulty game or something like that.

You're NEVER truly anonymous on the internet because of IP Addresses. And if you agree to the EULA, then you're in fact telling them that you're alright with them collecting information to help them make sure everything is alright and no one is being abusive (especially with all these people screaming "child predator" to anyone that even TALKS to someone under 18). It's like if you agree to use Comcast's internet service, you agree to their TOSs and shit. It's nothing new, and people have been doing those things for years, it's just a new quote from someone who was yet to say anything about it yet, coming from a company that some people in the gaming media still loves to find ways to attack.
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Old 09-01-2008, 06:17 PM   #3
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Come on, MS hasn't even bricked modded consoles, just banned them from Live if detected (which is only detected if you're stupid)
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Old 09-01-2008, 06:24 PM   #4
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Come on, MS hasn't even bricked modded consoles, just banned them from Live if detected (which is only detected if you're stupid)
They wouldn't have to. I forgot about the RRoD!

Then again, I only said that they COULD, not that they HAVE!
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Old 09-01-2008, 06:31 PM   #5
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But why the need to admit you have that power? It could put potential customers off...
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Old 09-01-2008, 06:36 PM   #6
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But why the need to admit you have that power? It could put potential customers off...
True. I don't disagree that it was a stupid thing to come out and just say (why give the anti-PS3 press ammunition?), but it's not like its something that shouldn't already been known that any company that has a service like that could do. I think it could be something that could be made more serious than what it really is.

Personally, I wish MS would brick the systems of those homophobes who keep populating XBL so those that would be interested in joining THAT would have one less thing keeping them from subscribing.
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Old 09-01-2008, 06:39 PM   #7
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Dude, that's the internet, not XBL. I first heard that type of abuse on SOCOM, which they all then migrated to Halo 2 seemingly.
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Old 09-01-2008, 06:42 PM   #8
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SO what does "brick" mean?
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Make it so it doesn't boot up anymore
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Old 09-01-2008, 06:57 PM   #10
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How would they do that?
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Old 09-01-2008, 07:00 PM   #11
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I dunno, but it's Sony and they say they can.
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Old 09-01-2008, 07:05 PM   #12
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Personally, I think more people were onto the notion that the game will have 50 included levels that will give it 12+ hours of gameplay, which sounds really awesome when considering the type of game it is than they were with that quote.

It's a quote I think could also be taken out of context (he went on to say that it would be an "extreme example"). Then went on to say what their course of action WILL be. Again, it's probably going to be something that was taken as more than what it was. Not sure myself how they would be able to do something that drastic.
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Old 09-01-2008, 07:28 PM   #13
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And plus, another question:

If you were going to follow the rules and not use multiple PS3 accounts to post pornographic levels and not abuse or harass other members that would make them think such an action would be necessary, then why the hell are you complaining that they CAN do something like that?

If you're following the rules and not doing anything THAT extreme, there's nothing to worry about, right?
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Old 09-01-2008, 07:32 PM   #14
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I'm sorry, what?
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Old 09-01-2008, 07:33 PM   #15
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If the feature is built into the console itself and doesn't rely on custom server-side code (aside from, say, a key), there can be potential for exploit (though very, VERY slim). As long as it's not built in, I don't see a problem.
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Old 09-01-2008, 07:43 PM   #16
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I'm sorry, what?
If you've ever heard about the PSP bricking issues, it would be that things could happen with the PSP (or the PS3, if you were following the initial 2.40 problems) in which the system would fail to start. In essence, the game system would then become nothing more than a heavy thing, like a brick (where the term comes from). Not sure if you're asking about this point still, but I hope THAT much was explained further. Whenever someone mentioned that they "bricked" a system, that's what they are talking about (something they downloaded rendered the system absolutely useless).

As far as this quote is concerned, I've been looking for anyone else that had brought up the quote, and so far, only three people on the internet brought it up: KK, someone that said something about it on the page this interview came from (a good read the interview is, by the way. Wait until you see how much stuff you can put into a user-made level), and me just now asking if anyone else thought of this quote as a huge issue on the N4G.com forums. I need to know where so many people were that troubled by the quote, because whichever game forums KK is visiting, I'm obviously have not, and I haven't seen anyone like Kotaku even bring it up yet (unless the story has yet to be approved on N4G and it's not showing up on GameTab).

And again, if you're going to follow rules anyway, why would you be THAT concerned about any disiplinary action?
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Old 09-01-2008, 07:47 PM   #17
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If the feature is built into the console itself and doesn't rely on custom server-side code (aside from, say, a key), there can be potential for exploit (though very, VERY slim). As long as it's not built in, I don't see a problem.
I can't remember for sure, but I think I saw somewhere in the account management thing where it asks you to "activate" your PS3 or something like that (where it also asks you to activate a PSP to use with the PS3). I'm not sure and I'm too lazy to check it (it could be just the controller they want you to activate).
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Microsoft and Nintendo could in fact break anyone else's system with a faulty game or something like that.
In fact, both Sony and Microsoft have done it accidentally. Maybe Nintendo, too. I think I've heard of such a thing, but I don't remember. However comma, there's a huge and marked difference between doing it accidentally, and saying that they could do it as a punishment.

As for the rest, you're talking about ToU versus something extremely severe. Plus, of course, the inane "any reason to attack Sony" line....
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Although, if you have a Comcast EULA in which they reserve the right to brick your computer....
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Although, if you have a Comcast EULA in which they reserve the right to brick your computer....
I don't put anything past Comcast anymore.
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In fact, both Sony and Microsoft have done it accidentally. Maybe Nintendo, too. I think I've heard of such a thing, but I don't remember. However comma, there's a huge and marked difference between doing it accidentally, and saying that they could do it as a punishment.

As for the rest, you're talking about ToU versus something extremely severe. Plus, of course, the inane "any reason to attack Sony" line....
That's been the accusation of some people recently. Kotaku did try to find anything they could to slam Hideo Kojima, some would say because they don't want the PS3 getting popular and MGS4 was going to be a huge game that moved consoles. Not my accuation, though I can't help but agree with it at some points (GameDaily has been more than ridiculed for their bias, and GameDaily doesn't seem to want to hide it. Read up on the controversy around Chris Buffa's MGS4 review and his thoughts on LBP, as well as calling the 360 "the best console of all time", to know what I'm talking about at least with THAT one).

But then again, I can see you possibly trying to make a model of what your cock looks like and then submitting it as a level. THAT would want ME to brick your system.
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I don't put anything past Comcast anymore.
That's nice, but their EULA doesn't say anything about bricking consoles. I know you're trying to pretend that what Sony's doing is standard, but it really isn't. Even hinting that they can brick your console intentionally as a punishment is pretty much unprecedented. In fact, it may be completely unprecedented.
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That's been the accusation of some people recently. Kotaku did try to find anything they could to slam Hideo Kojima, some would say because they don't want the PS3 getting popular and MGS4 was going to be a huge game that moved consoles. Not my accuation, though I can't help but agree with it at some points (GameDaily has been more than ridiculed for their bias, and GameDaily doesn't seem to want to hide it. Read up on the controversy around Chris Buffa's MGS4 review and his thoughts on LBP, as well as calling the 360 "the best console of all time", to know what I'm talking about at least with THAT one).

But then again, I can see you possibly trying to make a model of what your cock looks like and then submitting it as a level. THAT would want ME to brick your system.
I like the "some people" claims, as though random shmucks in tinfoil hats is in any way meaningful.

I also love how the guy who's complaining about my unfair treatment of him making specific statements of a hostile nature. It's just so funny. "You're a dick. You're a faggot. I wish you'd die. What? Red Rep? WHAT DID I EVER DO TO YOU BAWWWWWWWWWW!!!"
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That's nice, but their EULA doesn't say anything about bricking consoles. I know you're trying to pretend that what Sony's doing is standard, but it really isn't. Even hinting that they can brick your console intentionally as a punishment is pretty much unprecedented. In fact, it may be completely unprecedented.
Again, though, why in the hell are you so WORRIED about it if you won't break the rules? They told you they wouldn't go do anything like that unless you REALLY do something stupid. They would ban you from the service, yes. They're just saying that they COULD, not that the WOULD!

What are you wanting to do in LBP, KK, that would be SO against the rules that this would become a necessity for them to do against you? You're on here whining about it as if they just randomly go around bricking consoles just because they can. If they had the ability to do this for years, then I haven't heard anyone bitch about it as much as you are right now. As long as they make it an absolute last resort instead of the first course of action, then we're all fine with it. As long as you're not going to go to extreme measures to go harrass people and post inappropriate levels avaliable for people who shouldn't have access to them and insist that you're allowed to do so, then why bitch about it?
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I like the "some people" claims, as though random shmucks in tinfoil hats is in any way meaningful.

I also love how the guy who's complaining about my unfair treatment of him making specific statements of a hostile nature. It's just so funny. "You're a dick. You're a faggot. I wish you'd die. What? Red Rep? WHAT DID I EVER DO TO YOU BAWWWWWWWWWW!!!"
Well:

  1. I fail to see how the behavior I had toward that other thread has anything to do with THIS thread and any POINT that THIS thread has made. Oh wait, you have nothing to counter my points, but you want to be right, so attack the character if you can't attack the points.
  2. My God, DO SOME FUCKING RESEARCH!! Instead of bitching about how everything is "irrelevant" to the point and constantly neg repping your targets (since you brought that neg repping up here), actually find some of these and read what you find. Or are you so afraid that the stuff you will read will hurt your tunnel vision of thinking so you do what you can to call it "irrelevant"?
  3. We can, based on this thread, accuse you of being a huge 360 Xbot that is pretending he isn't, since you've really had nothing positive to say about the PS3 (or the Wii) since it came out, and you're amplyfying this quote as saying that it got "people up in arms", yet no one really sees it as an issue. We may be wrong on that accusation, but then again, that's how you're acting. You're bringing up the "some people say" thing I did as if I was the only one to do it (you did it in your original post) and you're bitching about me complaining about consperiacies and tinfoil hats when you're in here whining that "OMG, THEY MAY BRICK MY PS3" like they are just bricking them to piss people off (which I must ask again: What kind of thing are you going to do to cause them to have the need to do that to your system, since your so worried about it?).
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The fact that they have that power is scary because there can always be false positives or someone making false accusations against you to Sony. Anyone who's ever had an issue with Paypal can testify to that.
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Old 09-02-2008, 03:40 PM   #27
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The fact that they have that power is scary because there can always be false positives or someone making false accusations against you to Sony. Anyone who's ever had an issue with Paypal can testify to that.
At least you're actually making some good points, better than what Mr. Tinfoil brain up there is doing with just bring up irrelevant "OMG, LOOK WHO'S TALKING" things instead of actually using counterpoints.

I don't doubt for a second there could be some idiots that use the flag button as a weapon (just as on N4G, some fanboys seem to like using the "report story/user" button as a weapon). However, with that being said, I don't think Sony is about to just believe the first person they see flag the thing. I'm sure they will investigate it and if it the report holds water, take action like ban you from the service (if you are a repeat offender) or just remove the level. I've never heard personally of someone having this action be taken against them. In fact, when talking to some of my gaming friends, they seem glad that Sony can do this to those select few that are persistent (like if you're just using your PS3 for that purpose, which, in that case, you really ARE stupid and deserve it).

Was it a stupid thing to admit? Yeah, of course. Will it be an issue outside of Tinfoil Brain and the person who brought it up on the comments part of that article that had the quote in it? Unless anyone else amplifies it pretending it IS an issue, then probably not. Will we ever see them have the necessity to USE that option in the PS3's lifetime? Not very likely.

Anf again, if you're NOT going to break the rules (now applies to those that like to use the red flag as a weapon since you made that point), then why worry?
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Again, though, why in the hell are you so WORRIED about it if you won't break the rules? They told you they wouldn't go do anything like that unless you REALLY do something stupid. They would ban you from the service, yes. They're just saying that they COULD, not that the WOULD!
Saying that they could is extreme and unecessary, because the act is, in and of itself, extreme and unnecessary. Also, I'm not worried about my PS3. The first portion of that is that I play by the rules, but the more important one is I don't plan on getting the game. In fact, I wouldn't have known about the issue except it has been brought up so often. I know you'd like to pretend otherwise, because it's convenient, but hey.

That aside, the "Only criminals have something to hide" logic really doesn't work. The principle of bricking someone's console as a punishment is just so extreme. Barring someone using their console to rape and murder a dozen school kids, I can't see anything that would merit that kind of response when a simple ban could be issued. So why even reserve the option? What could be done that's so unconscionable that it requires destroying an expensive console? Please explain.

Not to mention, the one thing that concerns me is the accuracy with which they tend to conduct themselves. Which is minimal.

Still, this is a ridiculous scenario for them to have brough up.

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False. You accuse me of whining because it's convenient.

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Unless anyone else amplifies it pretending it IS an issue, then probably not.
Only criminals need privacy. Only criminals demand rights.

Also, you're the one who was running around trying to defend this as though it's standard. Good one.
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Well:

  1. I fail to see how the behavior I had toward that other thread has anything to do with THIS thread and any POINT that THIS thread has made. Oh wait, you have nothing to counter my points, but you want to be right, so attack the character if you can't attack the points.
  2. My God, DO SOME FUCKING RESEARCH!! Instead of bitching about how everything is "irrelevant" to the point and constantly neg repping your targets (since you brought that neg repping up here), actually find some of these and read what you find. Or are you so afraid that the stuff you will read will hurt your tunnel vision of thinking so you do what you can to call it "irrelevant"?
  3. We can, based on this thread, accuse you of being a huge 360 Xbot that is pretending he isn't, since you've really had nothing positive to say about the PS3 (or the Wii) since it came out, and you're amplyfying this quote as saying that it got "people up in arms", yet no one really sees it as an issue. We may be wrong on that accusation, but then again, that's how you're acting. You're bringing up the "some people say" thing I did as if I was the only one to do it (you did it in your original post) and you're bitching about me complaining about consperiacies and tinfoil hats when you're in here whining that "OMG, THEY MAY BRICK MY PS3" like they are just bricking them to piss people off (which I must ask again: What kind of thing are you going to do to cause them to have the need to do that to your system, since your so worried about it?).
  1. The very fact that you're making attacks at the same time you're whining elsewhere is probably more relevant to the other thread, but it's funny as fuck because it shows something about you.
  2. Coming from the guy who said only three people on the internet have brought it up. I'm guessing your research consisted of www.stuffipulledoutofmyass.com
  3. I'm not even talking about my console. Again, you have to make stuff up. It sounds like you're trying to make more out of it than me, which is interesting, since you're foaming at the mouth asking what I have to hide and why I'm worried about them bricking me. I mean, "Seriously doubt it's gonna be an issue, but people seem to have picked up on the "bricking" portion. Still, might have been dumb to open that box, whether they're using it or not." Yeah. Better rush me over to the fainting couch.
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At least you're actually making some good points, better than what Mr. Tinfoil brain up there is doing with just bring up irrelevant "OMG, LOOK WHO'S TALKING" things instead of actually using counterpoints.
So the guy who's telling me to do some research can't even look a few posts up in the thread to do his own.

I'd say I expected more, but then I'd be totally lying.
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KK, I think I'm going to be able to respond to your posts with one post.

  1. I'm starting to think someone has been molesting you late at night or something. That's probably why you're so fucked over with people disagreeing with you.
  2. Let me give this to you VERY slowly: You began this thread with "The quote that's got people up in arms" and "Seriously doubt it's gonna be an issue, but people seem to have picked up on the "bricking" portion." Now I don't know about you, but you're the one who made that claim, and thus, you need to be the one to come up with proof that ANYONE besides that poster on that page brought it up (besides you, obviously). I just searched "little big planet ps3 bricking" and found a few threads on other message boards that posted the link to the interview, but no one in these boards even brought up the quote (since it was about the 12+ hours of gameplay). It seems to me that you're doubting it's going to be an issue, but you WANT it to be an issue since you're going on and on about it. You're the one who said it and just want us to believe every word you said, so give us a reason TO believe that there's this other board that really got heated over this! Unless you're one of those people who don't believe that you have to cite your sources but we have to cite ours.
  3. You're....NOT wanting to PLAY LBP? So...that only ADDS to my wonder as to why you care, then, since the game in question won't be in your interest, apparently. Unless you wanted to post a picture of your cock somewhere there and keep posting it and making new accounts TO keep posting it whenever they nuke your accounts, shut up about it. I mean, seriously, would you rather have people posting pics of their geneltalia and harrassing you and your family (some of them kids who might somehow get access to things they shouldn't) amongst several accounts?
  4. Yes, it IS extreme, but YES, they DID say that, and they also said what their course of action would be. And wasn't there a story about the "XBox Live Police" saying that they could "break your account" as a extreme measure? Yeah, here: http://kotaku.com/362810/the-xbox-live-police . Not that it has helped any of the criticisms about policing some of the douchebags that populate that service die down, but there you go (and they didn't really have any reservations about admitting that, either). Sony isn't the first people to admit that they have the power to take serious measures (or MM, the people making LBP).
  5. Besides Hansey (who I said had good points about this that I could see why someone would be worried about it and thus not being like you. Not sure why even AGREEING on those points he made got your ire), who probably sees both sides anyway, you're the only one on here being a whiny bitch about them having "TEH BACKSTAGE POWRZ!!!!" while claiming you doubt it will be an issue. Obviously you would LIKE it to be an issue because you keep claiming ignorance and retardedness to any counterpoint that is given to you (saying that I should read what you said earlier in the thread when I already brought it up and you keep repeating the same damn point you DID make that we've already told you about). Which is telling me that you're trying to amplify the issue into something it isn't for some reason and blow up anyone that thinks it isn't or tells you WHY it shouldn't be. Why? Because you've done nothing but slam the PS3 (okay, so you praised Uncharted. Who hasn't?) and have claimed unbiased here when you've clearly have picked a side! LBP is going to be this huge game and a few people in the gaming press who have had a boner for slamming the PS3 has tried to slam LBP because it's going to be another HUGE game that will move a LOT of PS3 systems (though you never actually read them and actually look at them because you somehow think everyone in the gaming media is just perfect and completely unbiased and hasn't got a preference). Keep in mind, as well, that what you have said now is what you said before, and I'm answering you with the same answers I did before (which fits into the definition of insanity. Do the same thing over and over and expect different results).
  6. Finally, think about this: You're using my "spazzing out" on you as a reason to discredit me (which shows you had no real counterpoint to anything I told you) and then when you got called on it, try to talk your way out of it. You brought up the exact same points you did before but changed the wording and then dressed them up as new points while saying that I should take a look at what you said earlier (when, again, these are the exact same points I had responded to earlier). Then you slam that neg rep button down so many times to anything that had not given you the response you wanted to hear (seriously, three times for one post, using that "KKK lives on" BS along with one of them? C'mon, I get the point already). You just sound like you got butthurt for whatever reason.
Okay, now, let me predict the stuff in the responses (I go pural because you seem to spam your point across two or more responses to up your post count, too) you will give me:

  1. I'll get two more neg reps, as if that somehow makes me care anymore or that will somehow stop me from posting or suddenly, magically agree with you or whatever.
  2. Call me retarded or anything I said irrelevant because I brought up counterpoints that you can't respond to but you can't show weakness to your fans.
  3. You'll use the "spazz out" thing as a weapon, AGAIN (as if that is you're only other recourse now)!
  4. You'll claim ignorance to any "anti-PS3 bias" in a few gaming sites that shouldn't hold such bias and claim that every gaming site is perfect and will never have such!
  5. You'll deny that you have a preferece in the console war, yet will be right there to label anyone else a fanboy.
  6. You'll continue to amplify this "OMG, they want to break my PS3" thing as if the gaming internets exploded over the controversy that only you are seeing and are trying to shove down our throats when it's only you that is bringing it up and whining and crying and bitching about it (but it's never you that whines and cries and bitches about anything. It's always the changing of the party being accused).
  7. You'll give me a third neg rep (since by now you probably spread around enough rep to be able to do so).
Now, let's see how this goes.
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  1. The very fact that you're making attacks at the same time you're whining elsewhere is probably more relevant to the other thread, but it's funny as fuck because it shows something about you.
  2. Coming from the guy who said only three people on the internet have brought it up. I'm guessing your research consisted of www.stuffipulledoutofmyass.com
  3. I'm not even talking about my console. Again, you have to make stuff up. It sounds like you're trying to make more out of it than me, which is interesting, since you're foaming at the mouth asking what I have to hide and why I'm worried about them bricking me. I mean, "Seriously doubt it's gonna be an issue, but people seem to have picked up on the "bricking" portion. Still, might have been dumb to open that box, whether they're using it or not." Yeah. Better rush me over to the fainting couch.
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So the guy who's telling me to do some research can't even look a few posts up in the thread to do his own.

I'd say I expected more, but then I'd be totally lying.
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