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Yes - Hogan was in fact, more of a "team player" than Stone Cold Steve Austin 5 12.82%
No - Austin was a bigger team player than Hulk Hogan 27 69.23%
In my opinion, both Hogan and Austin were equal in terms of their selfiishness. 7 17.95%
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Old 11-12-2008, 10:28 PM   #1
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QUESTION - Was Hulk Hogan more of a "team player" than Stone Cold Steve Austin?
QUESTION - Was Hulk Hogan more of a "team player" than Stone Cold Steve Austin?

Consider the following:

Hogan (clean jobs done after becoming a mega-star).

-Ultimate Warrior
-Bill Goldberg
-The Rock
-Triple H
-Kurt Angle
-Undertaker
-Brock Lesnar (a complete shit kicking).

Steve Austin (clean jobs done after becoming a mega-star...so this doesn't include his losses to Bret Hart).

-Mankind (Summerslam 99'....triple threat match)
-Triple H (2001 No Way Out)
-Kurt Angle (2001 No Mercy)
-The Rock (Wrestlemania 19).

-Hulk Hogan has never walked out on a company while under contract....Austin has (due to unhappiness over the direction of his character)

-Just as Hulk Hogan has politick'd backstage, so has SCSA. Austin refused to job to HHH at Summerslam 99' (and as result, Foley was thrown in there to make it a triple threat...and Austin jobbed to him).


ALL of Hogan's losses (listed above) were completely clean jobs (with no after affects...or excuses). Austin's jobs however (even when clean), could be justified.

-Austin's job to Mankind at Summerslam 99', was done only after Austin had dominated the match (and had pretty much destroyed HHH until Mankind hit an unseen/flukey double arm DDT).

-Austin's job to HHH (at No Mercy 2001) was done in such a way, that both men simultaneously knocked each other out (and HHH's arm just so happened to be over Austin's body). During that match, Austin also dominated for the most part....and scored the 1st pinfall victory.

-Austin's job to Angle was explained by the fact that he didn't know it was illegal to tap out with his left hand. Austin defeated Angle two weeks later on RAW.

-Austin's job to The Rock at WM-19 was explained by the fact that Austin's neck and knees were severely injured (and that he had stayed up the night before in the hospital getting pain medication. As result, Austin was fired bu Bischoff).


Hogan may not have been anywhere near the "team player" that guys like Kane, Foley, and Eddie Guerrero (RIP) were, but how was Steve Austin any different? (and if not....WORSE?!).

Both Austin and Hogan were extremely selective as to who they jobbed to.

In fact - Austin's final job to The Rock was done to a guy that wasn't going to be in the business any longer

Granted - Austin was a far better wrestler and worker than Hogan, but does this have much to do with being a team player?

In fact - guys like Undertaker and Triple H (two people that have been criticisized heavily in yester-year....and at present), have done more CLEAN and "relevant" jobs than Austin.

DO NOT GET ME WRONG.

Austin is my favourite wrestler and superstar of all-time. However.....does what I say not have merit? You decide.
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Old 11-12-2008, 10:35 PM   #2
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Question, does Hogan walking out of WCW after that work shoot thing with Jeff Jarrett and Russo count?

It should also be noted that Hogan always fought to make sure his friends had jobs (to him). Austin reportedly is friends with Funki and that is why Funki has kept his job, that I don't really know of anyone else that Austin fights to keep employed.
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Old 11-12-2008, 10:37 PM   #3
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Also, Austin is a wife beater, and Hogan...well Linda said he started beating her, but the kids take Hogan's side, that is a tough call. Hogan seems like he would be a cool guy to hang out with as long are you aren't gunning for his spot.

Austin on the other hand, he seems to come back just to destroy up and comers for no reason.
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Old 11-12-2008, 10:44 PM   #4
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The thing with Hogan, is that he literally got his ass handed to him throughout all of 2002 (which culminated in an absolute raping from Lesnar). Now obviously - a lot of these jobs were done well after the fact that it was established that Hogan was "passed his prime", but still...

The only two instances where I remember Austin being "physically dominated" was when...

A) Around the time when Kane was on the verge of taking off his mask (can't remember if it was before or after). After receiving a stunner, Kane sat up and chokeslammed Austin.

B) During the Goldberg/Batista feud, Batista cleared Austin out of the ring.

Other than those two instances, I can't seem to recall Austin getting "one-upped." As BDC mentioned, Austin has pretty much decimated any 'mid-carder' that his appeared on the same segment as him upon his returns.

I would be interested to know, for those that voted 'Austin is a bigger team player than Hogan, as to why you feel this way.
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Most of the guys Hogan laid down for was already established by that point.

And with the Warrior, Hogan had Bischoff bring in Warrior to WCW just so Hogan could get his win back.

He also agreed to drop the title to Goldberg only if he got to be the one to end his streak, but unfortunately for him...Nash beat him to it.

In the end Hogan refused to put over guys that he should have, like Hart, Hennig, etc.

Also, I don't remember Hogan jobbing to Triple H clean. Plus let's not forget Hogan's debacle with both Orton and HBK.

Austin's problem with jobbing to Lesnar is that they wanted to do it unannounced on an episode of Raw. Austin wanted it to be a big PPV money match, I agree. He shouldn't really have walked out, but he stood his ground. I doubt anyone here has not at least thought of walking out on their job at least once for whatever reason.

I think Hogan is the worst offender because his many, many years of pulling shitty powerplays that only boost his own ego and self worth.
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Old 11-12-2008, 10:50 PM   #6
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Question, does Hogan walking out of WCW after that work shoot thing with Jeff Jarrett and Russo count?

It should also be noted that Hogan always fought to make sure his friends had jobs (to him). Austin reportedly is friends with Funki and that is why Funki has kept his job, that I don't really know of anyone else that Austin fights to keep employed.
Yeah Hogan "fighting" for his friends jobs led to the worst main event in Starrcade history. Plus Hogan surrounded himself with wrestlers who are no threat to his position. Well except for Savage back in the day, but you know how rocky their friendship was.

Austin on the other, the friends he does have in wrestling, for the most part didn't suck so bad that he had to politic to keep their job.
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Politics don't ALWAYS prevail. I'm not saying Austin didn't, but there's an equal chance that this was just how he happened to be booked.

The only time I can think of problems with Austin had been after he was retired. There are MANY more known problems with Hogan than Austin.
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Most of the guys Hogan laid down for was already established by that point.
Can you not say the same for Austin?

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And with the Warrior, Hogan had Bischoff bring in Warrior to WCW just so Hogan could get his win back.
Is this just speculation on your part? I didn't follow WCW but did Hogan beat Warrior cleanly after this?

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He also agreed to drop the title to Goldberg only if he got to be the one to end his streak, but unfortunately for him...Nash beat him to it.
Again....is this just speculation on your part?

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In the end Hogan refused to put over guys that he should have, like Hart, Hennig, etc.
Again.....is this just speculation? Also - was Curt Hennig a big enough star to warrant Hogan jobbing to him? Another thing - Although Austin jobbed to Kurt Angle (No Mercy), couldn't you make a similar argument that Austin did that with the assumption that he'd beat Angle cleanly at a later date? (which happened during the PPV where Jericho beat Austin/Rock on the same night). Speaking of Jericho, Austin defeated Jericho cleanly a few weeks earlier....prior to Jericho's "heelish and non-clean" title victory.

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Also, I don't remember Hogan jobbing to Triple H clean. Plus let's not forget Hogan's debacle with both Orton and HBK.
Hogan jobbed to HHH and then admitted that he had no problem shaking hands with the better man. HHH and Hogan then did 'poses' together (this was after Hogan had defeated HHH at Backlash).

Hogan didn't job to Orton and HBK because Hogan had felt that he had already given enough back to the business (and based on the evidence presented, perhaps a case can be made here). Having said that - I don't deny the fact that Hogan was selfish...he was/is. However - how is Austin any different? (and if not, worse?).

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Austin's problem with jobbing to Lesnar is that they wanted to do it unannounced on an episode of Raw. Austin wanted it to be a big PPV money match, I agree. He shouldn't really have walked out, but he stood his ground. I doubt anyone here has not at least thought of walking out on their job at least once for whatever reason.
I agree here, and Austin had every right to be upset and disagree. However - Austin STILL walked out (and in effect, never did the job to Lesner at a PPV).

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I think Hogan is the worst offender because his many, many years of pulling shitty powerplays that only boost his own ego and self worth.
Perhaps - but the fact of the matter is that Hogan *did* job to Warrior during his peak (although granted...Warrior was "established", but since when did Austin do clean jobs to anyone that wasn't established?). Randy Savage and Bret Hart were also given main-event title shots at Wrestlemania during Hulk Hogan's presence.

Austin on the other hand, was in the main-event (and winner) of 3 out of 4 straight Mania's (1998, 1999, 2001. 2000 was the only one that Austin missed due to injury).
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Old 11-12-2008, 11:11 PM   #9
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With the exception on one of your clean jobs hogan did were done WAY after his prime. Austin wins.
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The only thing I can think of right now is at less Austin had more suport and respect as a person from all levels of the locker room and not just becuase he was Stone Cold. I never really heard that for Hogan.
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With the exception on one of your clean jobs hogan did were done WAY after his prime. Austin wins.
Since Hogan was billed as a top star in WCW (even in his old age), I consider his job to Goldberg an "in prime" defeat.

Let me ask you this: What jobs has Austin done? (outside of his prime?).

Having said that - I think the above poster makes a good point (i.e. "Austin had the respect of the lockerroom while Hogan...not so much"). However - perhaps this was largely due to the fact that Austin was a very respectable wrestler....while Hogan was extremely sub-par. Even when Austin was winning, he could still make other wrestlers look good (not to the extent of an HBK or Bret Hart....but still).
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Hogan jobbing to Goldberg wasn't in his prime. I'm not even gonna entertain that thought.

Austin didn't really wrestle outside of his prime though, other than his return match with the Rock @ WM19. So one.
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Hogan jobbing to Goldberg wasn't in his prime. I'm not even gonna entertain that thought.
Age wise? Hogan was past his prime. The way WCW was pushing Hogan however (as far as I know)...Hogan was billed as being very much in his prime.

Think of it this way - the physical peak for male athletes is usually between the ages of 28-32 (give or take 1-2 years in either direction).

Triple H is currently 39 years old. If HHH does a clean job to someone, does it count as him being "passed his prime"....or does it not matter since HHH is still billed as a "main-event" guy?
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Making a guy your top star does not = prime. Being at the peak of your career = prime.

That was the late 80's early 90's for the Hulkster.
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What you have here is a clever arrangement of the facts. You drive an interesting argument, and it could be persuasive for someone not familiar with the whole deal.
Unfortunately, it isn't accurate. At the very least, it is biased and has major ommissions of serious elements.
I have read books on it, and followed this shit for years. This portrayal doesn't pain a full picture, and is obviously working in favor of Hogan.

Austin beats Hogan easily in this department. By miles.

Also, listing meaningful jobs doesn't have any bearing, since Hogan stayed in his top spot for 20 years, while Austin only was for 5 years, IF THAT. More accurately it would be about 3 or 4. Perhaps even less if you don't count lenghty injury time.
Hogan did everything in his power at whatever cost to hold on to over the course of three decades in two promotions.
He knew when his time was up, and got worse about his ego.
Austin knew his time was up, and bowed out.
You cleverly danced around that major factor.
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Old 11-12-2008, 11:35 PM   #16
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Austin also didn't have the opportunity to work after his peak, due to injuries. He didn't have the chance to pave the way for some other guys.

Considering Austin and Kennedy talk once a week and go over matches, thats more than Hogan would ever do. Hogan wouldn't even return a 1-2-3 to Shawn...post hip replacement.
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It's just a moot point. Knowing some of the shit Hogan's pulled, and the fact that Hogan was on top for 20 years to Austin's 3 years. Hogan's STILL all about his spot. Even though he's not active and occupying a spot, he maintains it when he is. The guy comes back to squash people.
His idea of a fitting send off for Flair was to squash him and then let him celebrate with him.
It's not even an argument.
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Perhaps - but the fact of the matter is that Hogan *did* job to Warrior during his peak (although granted...Warrior was "established", but since when did Austin do clean jobs to anyone that wasn't established?). Randy Savage and Bret Hart were also given main-event title shots at Wrestlemania during Hulk Hogan's presence.
Are you serious?

Now my memory is a bit fuzzy on the reasonings behind the whole Savage thing but with Bret... you have got to be kidding mentioning that as something to give Hogan credit for... the only thing you can give Hogan credit for in the Hart main event is stealing the spot light.

Yoko had the best match of his career probably. Hart and Yoko had an excellent main event... for the size and abilities of Yokozuna and Yoko came out on top as the world champ. Only for Hogan to come out, with a bandaged up eye, even after competing earlier on the card, and challenged Yoko to a match and beat him in 30 seconds to claim the world title.

So yeah Hart had the spotlight but it was quickly ripped from him by that egotistical Hogan. Bret fought Yoko and couldn't win. Hogan came in with one god eye and won in 30 seconds.

Hogan only did that for Hogan. So yeah Hogan still held the spotlight and stole thunder from Bret that night so you can't give any credit to Hogan for "sharing" the main event of WrestleMania that year.

But I do remember also that Hogan played quite a role in Savage's wrestlemania main event as well. So pretty much... between WrestleMania 1-9... it all featured Hogan in the main event in one way or another.
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Old 11-13-2008, 12:56 AM   #19
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What?

Why is this even a question. The poll results says it all.
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Austin by such a large margin. Added to the one's listed, Austin took Angle, Benoit and Jericho to the next level in 2001.

Also for that whole Austin walking out because he didn't want to job to Lesnar fiasco. The idiot writers wanted to job Austin to Lesnar on a RAW with no build-up. Can you not understand why this would piss off Steve Austin? That should be a fucking WrestleMania main-event or at least a PPV one. It was bad business and just plain stupid for everyone involved. He didn't not want to do the job, he didn't want to do it in such an unreasonable and pointless way. There's a difference between showing up to your sales job and refusing to sell things and showing up to your sale job and refusing to scrub the toilets.

Austin in less time has put over more wrestlers. Hogan may have more clean one-time jobs but Austin's feuds and matches with guys like Angle, Jericho, Benoit etc have done far, far more for their career. Also IIRC Austin wanted to work with Eddie in 2004 and have him go over clean too.

Anddd for that whole Taboo Tuesday 2005 thing... seriously... Stone Cold who had potentially the perfect last match with Rock, coming out of retirement to be in a comedy match in possibly the least-watched PPV of the year, against the COACH? Again, there is being asked to be a team-player and there is plain stupidity.
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You cleverly danced around that major factor.
Actually - Austin didn't "bow out" because he knew his time was up. Austin bowed up because his body and neck could no longer take the physical pounding. Austin's retirement was forced.

The only thing I've cleverly danced around, is your mom at the local strip joint.
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Honestly, there was no reason for Austin to be losing much until late 2001. He was the top guy and the fans are apeshit for him. And he did job in 2001. The only real issue with Austin seems to be 2002 and onwards.
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Making a guy your top star does not = prime. Being at the peak of your career = prime.

That was the late 80's early 90's for the Hulkster.
Point taken...but here's two things to consider:

1) Hogan was still way over with the fans and was garnering tremendous heel heat from the fans.

2) A victory over Hogan still had tremendous meaning. Since Hogan was being pushed as a top star (and rarely did jobs), a victory over Hogan would mean instant credibility (for example - if someone were to beat a guy like Ric Flair or Sgt. Slaughter nowadays, it wouldn't mean as much since both men are "obviously" considered to be 'past their prime'....and no longer would get the same spots on the card).

I understand your viewpoint, but we seem to be arguing two different things.
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Austin on the other hand, he seems to come back just to destroy up and comers for no reason.
That's because the WWE is desperate for ratings and they know Austin isn't in any shape to be in a feud. So they bring him back for one-time outings to get a temporary rating boosts at the expense of the younger guys. Austin accepting this despite full-well knowing that it is going to help bury the up and comers is his fault, that is for sure.
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I like how Hogan's "main-event" and onwards career is like three times the size of Austins yet he only has a few more jobs under his belt.
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Honestly, there was no reason for Austin to be losing much until late 2001. He was the top guy and the fans are apeshit for him. And he did job in 2001. The only real issue with Austin seems to be 2002 and onwards.
But by that logic, you can say the same thing for Hogan. Hogan was drawing like CRAZY back in the day....and perhaps there was no reason for him to be losing. Even with that being said, Randy Savage and Ultimate Warrior BOTH had World title victories...at Wrestlemania....under Hogan's peak (one of which, was a clean job from Hogan himself).
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But everyone has to first establish themselves by winnings lots, which both Hogan and Austin did. This should take at least 2-3 years for the fans to really think you are a legit main-event threat at any given time. That's why guys like Michaels and Orton despite losing lots could always be put into a title match and be seen as a serious threat. The difference is that Hogan kept on being unstoppable well beyond him reaching this point. Austin did too, but not nearly as long. Honestly if Stone Cold didn't have his injury issue and lets say he wrestled full-time until like 2008, I really, really think we would have seen him lose World Title matches at Wrestlemania to Brock Lesnar and John Cena. Maybe even Randy Orton.
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Austin by such a large margin. Added to the one's listed, Austin took Angle, Benoit and Jericho to the next level in 2001.
There is absolutely no question that Austin was a FAR better wrestler than Hogan. Just for the record, Austin is my favourite wrestler of all-time. However, I am just commenting on what I see.

Yes - Austin made Angle, Benoit, and Jericho look good, but did he really put them in a position (ultimately) where any of those men looked superior to him in the long run? (or atleast for an extended period of time?). In my opinion - no.

-While Benoit dominated Austin in a few of their matches, Austin then defeated both Jericho and Benoit in a triple threat (in the storyline, it was then billed that Austin put Benoit out for a year).

-Jericho looked good against Austin a few times, but was also decimated by Austin shortly after Austin turned face (after the alliance angle). At the PPV where Jericho became undisputed champion, his victory over Austin was very "flukey."

-Angle defeated Austin, but it was under the assumption that Austin didn't know that tapping out with your left had was legit. Two weeks later, Austin regained his title. Upon turning face, Austin defeated Angle CLEANLY at the PPV where Jericho became Undisputed Champion.


(speaking of Jericho, notice how The Rock jobbed almost 4-5 times to Jericho?!?).

In conclusion - YES...Austin DID make Jericho, Angle, and Benoit look good but in the end....Austin was still made to look superior (via wins or situations, etc.).

When Warrior defeated Hogan, there was no immediate rematch. Warrior flopped due to Warrior's own definicies. When Goldberg beat Hogan, it was as clean a victory as one can have (compare Bret's job to HBK at WM-12 where Bret was "distracted").
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Are you serious?

Now my memory is a bit fuzzy on the reasonings behind the whole Savage thing but with Bret... you have got to be kidding mentioning that as something to give Hogan credit for... the only thing you can give Hogan credit for in the Hart main event is stealing the spot light.
I wasn't trying to imply that by Hogan "allowed" Warrior and Savage to have their moments (ultimately, it's creative's decision to decide who does what). What I am saying however, is that Hogan didn't seem to put up too much of a fuss. Warrior and Savage were both given legit opportunities to be as big (or bigger) than Hogan.

Perhaps the Bret Hart example was not a good one but again......who's to say that Hogan was BEHIND the whole thing? (as opposed to it just being a decision that was made by Creative).

Hell - Austin beat Kane the day after Kane won his 1st world title. Should we hold that against Austin?....or accept the fact that perhaps creative was behind that? (in light of the fact that Austin was such a huge star and that perhaps it was better for business).
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. The difference is that Hogan kept on being unstoppable well beyond him reaching this point. Austin did too, but not nearly as long. Honestly if Stone Cold didn't have his injury issue and lets say he wrestled full-time until like 2008, I really, really think we would have seen him lose World Title matches at Wrestlemania to Brock Lesnar and John Cena. Maybe even Randy Orton.
A few things:

A) Do we know for a fact if Hogan being "unstoppable" was due to his backstage politics or Creative's wishes? To me? I see a guy...while being selective in his jobs....actually DID do jobs at the right times. In this regard, I really don't consider him to be different than guys like HHH and Undertaker.

B) You are just speculating as it relates to Austin (i.e. his willingness to do future jobs)

C) I do NOT blame Austin whatsover in being pissed at the fact that he was asked to job to Lesnar on RAW...or fight against Coach at Taboo Tuesday, etc. However - Austin still chose.....to walk out. Something that Hulk Hogan never did. In walking out, Austin put his own interests in front of the company's. Instead - Austin could have voiced his disapproval (to Vince), and then done the job to Lesnar at a certain PPV. He didn't.
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The only time I can think of problems with Austin had been after he was retired. There are MANY more known problems with Hogan than Austin.
I was wondering if you could further elaborate on this subject? I look at Hogan, and I honestly can't see how he was any "worse" than guys like Undertaker, Triple H, and yes...Austin.

I see a guy that was selective in his jobs (in order to prevent tarnishing his image too much....a la Mick Foley...a la Kane, etc.), but also jobbed at the right times (just like HHH and Taker). I just don't see this with Austin. The ONLY time where he jobbed cleanly (and didn't immediately "one up" the guy that beat him), was when he lost to The Rock at Wrestlemania 19.

Even when Austin and Lesnar started their storyline tension, I can't recall very many scenario's where Lesnar was easily getting the better of Austin.
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You're looking at this from only one angle, that everything they've done has been the result of them pulling strings.

I go back to my suggestion that Austin may have just been going with what was booked of him. He, as well as Hogan, were Vince's pet projects, and rightfully so.

However, Hogan used his politics to the point that what he did was common knowledge and was bad for the business on a regular basis. Austin, not so much. Again, not saying he didn't, because I'm sure there are at least a few instances of it, but it was no where near the length Hogan took it.

I think it's likely in Austin's case that it was more about Vince booking it. Remember, during pretty much Austin's entire main event run Vince was directly involved with Austin in storylines and it was best for his (Vince's) character if Austin stayed strong and dominated.
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I think the difference is that Hogan would lie and backstab, tell you one thing to your face and then say another behind your back.

Austin, for all his faults, by most accounts would tell you directly to your face what his problem was and why.
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As for Austin walking out, I thought it had been established that he walked out because of health and anxiety issues.

For all he said about the 'direction of his character' and the Lesnar job proposal, he has since admitted that even though those factors contributed, the reason he walked out was because his health was seriously failing due to his neck injury (and that's why he only ever wrestled one proper wrestling match after the walk out) and he was just too proud to admit it at the time.
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Hogan jobbing to Goldberg was in his best interest. Same with most of the others. Everything he's done is in the interest of himself
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Hogan jobbed a couple times to Kidman, not clean, but I've never seen Austin job to any undercard guy.
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How so?

By that logic, how are some of Austin's jobs (i.e. jobbing to HHH at No Way Out 01', jobbing to Angle at No Mercy 01'), any different?

One could say that Austin willingly jobbed to HHH (with an asteriks attached), knowing that he would become champ at Wrestlemania anyway (with HHH playing "second fiddle" once Austin-Vince-HHH got together).

One could say that Austin willingly jobbed to Angle (with an asteriks attached), so that he could defeat Angle a short time later (Austin defeated Angle twice after this.....one time cleanly).
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If you were to take that list as gospel its pretty much implying hogan had creative control from day one, which i very much doubt.
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What you have here is a clever arrangement of the facts. You drive an interesting argument, and it could be persuasive for someone not familiar with the whole deal.
Unfortunately, it isn't accurate. At the very least, it is biased and has major ommissions of serious elements.
I have read books on it, and followed this shit for years. This portrayal doesn't pain a full picture, and is obviously working in favor of Hogan.

Austin beats Hogan easily in this department. By miles.

Also, listing meaningful jobs doesn't have any bearing, since Hogan stayed in his top spot for 20 years, while Austin only was for 5 years, IF THAT. More accurately it would be about 3 or 4. Perhaps even less if you don't count lenghty injury time.
Hogan did everything in his power at whatever cost to hold on to over the course of three decades in two promotions.
He knew when his time was up, and got worse about his ego.
Austin knew his time was up, and bowed out.
You cleverly danced around that major factor.
This pretty much ends the conversation. Austin had almost as many clean jobs in 1/4 the time it took Hogan to get there. And on top of that most of them came during his last WWF run. It really is a rediculous argument.

Lot's of respect for ya Heyman, but your argument is bogus.
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