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Old 01-28-2009, 11:55 AM   #1
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So about this Orton guy...
Did they totally fuck him over by having Shane kick his ass on RAW? Where are they going with this? Is Shane going to enter the Elimination Chamber? Why was Randy being such a pussy on Monday night? Discuss, discuss, discuss.

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Old 01-28-2009, 11:59 AM   #2
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Well, despite his appearance, Shane McMahon in the wrestling world is known to be pretty legitimate due to his crazy matches over the years so I don't think it makes Orton look bad at all. In fact, my girlfriend who has been watching for quite awhile said something "Oh man, Orton is fucked" when Shane-O-Mac came out. I could see that being the typical mark reaction. From a storyline perspective it makes sense and from a logical perspective it makes sense so no, it doesn't make him look bad at all. Shane was amped on adrenaline because of what happened to his Dad and went apeshit.
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Old 01-28-2009, 12:01 PM   #3
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I don't think Shane should have punked out Orton like he did, but I don't think the damage is irreversible. It's simply too early to decide.
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If I were Orton, the last thing I'd want to do after punting the boss in the head, is punt his son in the head...

But at No Way Out, that is what is going to happen.
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Old 01-28-2009, 12:54 PM   #5
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I think it game off worse than it should have because of Shane's limp punches.
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They were just putting Shane over as a legitimate threat, so that it can mean something when Orton goes over him at No Way Out.

They'll more than likely have a match for Orton's title shot.

I don't think him getting punked out a bit is a problem either, since a) he's a heel and b) Shane's a pretty big/legit in kayfabe guy.
Also, like I said it's for story purposes. It was a house of fire, and Shane was adrenaline pumped while Orton was off-guard.

I don't think it'll be any problem unless it kept up, which I doubt.
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It wouldn't have looked so bad if it actually didn't look so damn bad. The punches looked more gentile than my de-clawed cat's swipe. It seemed to last forever. I would have broken it up almost as quickly as Mike Tyson and Austin's fight on Raw 11 years ago (which happened on my 15th birthday). I don't have much interest in a match between Orton and Shane because Shane already kicked Legacy's asses single handedly.
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Old 01-28-2009, 01:53 PM   #8
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I still think Stephanie will join Legacy, and is getting Shane to fight Orton so Orton will take him out also.

Then again, thats too logical
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Old 01-28-2009, 01:55 PM   #9
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It would have been fine had it ended when Shane tackled Orton. Have Priceless pull him off, orton escape and maybe let Shane clear out orton and Dibiase?.

Leave it with a fired up emotional Shane in the ring as Orton takes off, shocked.

They really let that go TOO long. Shane put in 500 punches and shit. It came off really botched and bad.

And why did shane start hitting Kofi and shit on the ramp?
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Cause Kofi can't just get an upset win and get momentum, he's gotta get decked by the graying McMahon
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Old 01-28-2009, 02:41 PM   #11
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It would have been fine had it ended when Shane tackled Orton. Have Priceless pull him off, orton escape and maybe let Shane clear out orton and Dibiase?.

Leave it with a fired up emotional Shane in the ring as Orton takes off, shocked.

They really let that go TOO long. Shane put in 500 punches and shit. It came off really botched and bad.

And why did shane start hitting Kofi and shit on the ramp?


I didn't actually see it but the way it read made it seem that he got far too many opportunities to go back after Orton and on too many occasions get the upperhand.

Like you say, with Priceless there Orton should have been able to get away relatively easy.

I guess the thing with hitting Kofi was to show just how amped up and enraged Shane was. So much so that he ended up beating on one of the most babyfaced bayfaces.
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I didn't actually see it but the way it read made it seem that he got far too many opportunities to go back after Orton and on too many occasions get the upperhand.

Like you say, with Priceless there Orton should have been able to get away relatively easy.

I guess the thing with hitting Kofi was to show just how amped up and enraged Shane was. So much so that he ended up beating on one of the most babyfaced bayfaces.
Yeah, they gave away too much revenge already, they should have left Shane barely getting orton, and continue trying to get at him, with Pricless in the way, and eventually getting to him in a few weeks.
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I still think Stephanie will join Legacy, and is getting Shane to fight Orton so Orton will take him out also.

Then again, thats too logical
I still hope this happens.
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After watching it again, I think I kind of get it. Not only does it build the angle, but it kind of proves that he's full of shit about the IED thing. If he had true IED, he would've gone ape shit when Shane hit him the first time. So it's like Shane proved he is full of shit as he beat him up and got some heat.

I still think it was a mistake. Orton looked so fucking strong after punting Vince and winning the Rumble - they should've kept building him up more and more to make him a bigger threat against Cena.
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Nobody will remember it in 2 weeks anyways. They had him win the rumble, they'll put him over Shane, he punts everybody in the roster in the head and wins matches. That will probably include the Wrestlemania main event.
I wouldn't put too much stock in this one segment
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It was pretty awful, really.
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From reading the results following on from watching an exciting Rumble and not watching the product in a long time, it smells like a McMahon heel turn (either Shane or Steph) coming up.
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Nobody will remember it in 2 weeks anyways. They had him win the rumble, they'll put him over Shane, he punts everybody in the roster in the head and wins matches. That will probably include the Wrestlemania main event.
I wouldn't put too much stock in this one segment
the glory of wrestling, if it sucks forget about it in two weeks because it'll never be mentioned again
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I don't think the WWE "completely fucked over Orton" (to the point of no return) by having Shane McMahon kick his ass, but I also think it was a very ill-advised move.

-What was the need to 'put over' Shane McMahon as such as tough guy?

-Why make one of the biggest stars in the company look so weak?

-Why was Stephanie McMahon pretty much expecting Shane McMahon to kick the crap out of Orton....WITH Legacy backing him up?

It's little things like this that annoy me about the WWE? In years previous, guys like Austin, The Rock, Triple H, and Kurt Angle kicked the crap out Shane...regardless of who was the heel or face. Being over 35 years old, Shane is physically passed his prime....and is technically an inferior athlete to what he was during the Austin/Rock era (which makes him destroying Orton even more stupid IMO).

Very dumb move on the WWE's part, but I don't think Orton will be affected long term by this.

More likely than not, Orton will get the better of Shane McMahon in some capacity within the next few weeks (with Stephanie quite possibly, showing her true allegience to Orton?).
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We're not talking about heel Shane though. You make solid points, but Shane has also kicked the shit out of solid guys. Same with Vince.
They've always been portrayed as badasses WHEN THEY'RE FACES

If they're heel, they're pussies. Heel Shane gets knocked around the ring, but face Shane beats the bag out of Angle and Kane.

Heel Vince gets squashed, and runs from fights. But face Vince comes storming to the ring and knocks out HHH or whomever with one punch.

We're dealing with face Shane, and he has always been credible.
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We're not talking about heel Shane though. You make solid points, but Shane has also kicked the shit out of solid guys. Same with Vince.
They've always been portrayed as badasses WHEN THEY'RE FACES

If they're heel, they're pussies. Heel Shane gets knocked around the ring, but face Shane beats the bag out of Angle and Kane.

Heel Vince gets squashed, and runs from fights. But face Vince comes storming to the ring and knocks out HHH or whomever with one punch.

We're dealing with face Shane, and he has always been credible.
Hmmm....

I actually do remember Vince knocking out Triple H back in 2000 shortly before Wrestlemania 2000 (i.e. when Vince came back after a long layoff).

I can't remember if Shane ever physically dominated Kane or Angle however. Granted - he got the better of them on certain occassions, but did he ever beat the crap out of them by going at them face-to-face? (as he did with Orton?).

Anyway - it's probably all a mute point. The average attention span of the WWE fan is very low. Provided Orton gets back Shane in a big way (and doesn't consistently be made to look like a pussy in front of Shane), I don't think this particular 'incident' will amount to anything significant.
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Yea, I'm not really defending it as much as I'm downplaying it. I think it matters very little, since in the end Orton is going over.
Plus, since Shane at the very least has a track record of hanging in there with main event level guys, I'll allow it.
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I've always liked Shane though. Glorified spot monkey or not, I think he works a great match and connects well with the crowd from bell to bell and on the mic.
I'd rather see him in fueds than a lot of the guys on the roster.
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Shane is also guilty of constant no-selling, including the way he comes bouncing and strutting out to the ring on Raw the night after taking a 'severe beating' at a PPV, as has happened several times.

Anyways, I'll be happy with any of the following scenarios as an explanation:

a) Orton later claims (not in a heelish manner, but in an honest manner) that he only let Shane wipe the mat with him to build Shane's confidence up so he would accept a match against RKO at a later date, thinking he had Orton's number, so Randy can punt his head off, all arranged by Stephanie who was in cahoots with Legacy.

b) Shane was in cahoots with Legacy and it was all a 'staged' confrontation to swerve the fans and Steph.

c) The Legacy gang defend the scene by stating they were all severely exhausted from lengthy Rumble showings the night before, and get another chance when fresh to batter Shane and defend their honour.

If, when it all plays out and all is said and done, it goes down in official WWE canon that Shane McMahon legitimately came to the ring and single-handedly kicked the ass of Randy Orton, Ted DiBiase and Cody Rhodes, they need their heads examined up at Titan Towers.
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The fact that Rhodes and DiBiase didn't take any shots at Shane, coupled with the reactions Orton has been receiving.... hows this for an idea?

Shane is in cahoots with Priceless, and will replace Orton as leader of Legacy, with Orton turning face in the process.
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Here's the swerve: Shane and Steph's children (and unborn in Steph's case) come out, punt their parents (and grandparents) in the head and join Legacy.
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Shane is in cahoots with Priceless, and will replace Orton as leader of Legacy, with Orton turning face in the process.

It would be a good reason for the (purposely?) weak-as-hell punches thrown.
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Shane is in cahoots with Priceless, and will replace Orton as leader of Legacy, with Orton turning face in the process.

It would be a good reason for the (purposely?) weak-as-hell punches thrown.
I had this feeling tbh, i think we will see Shane or Stef (or both) join Legacy. There needs to me a major swerve i feel...
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I think they'd need to add some extra members to that group. Shane, Cody and Ted seems like a real week group.
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Or, Swerve with Shane or Steph on board with orton and the Legacy will get a run like the Corporation or McMahon Helmsley regime.
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Make Orton the center of Raw, and that will bring up Cody and Ted like orton was.
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