NFL 2009 Off Season Thread - Page 21

**Jesus Shuttlesworth** · 05-31-2009, 11:17 PM

Put his locker right next to Leonard Little's

**Supreme Olajuwon** · 05-31-2009, 11:30 PM

IT'S MURDAAAAAAAA

**Krimzon7** · 06-01-2009, 08:16 AM

Jim Mora was still a Vick Supporter. I would think that if he had to choose between Vick and Seneca Wallace, he'd take VIck anyday. Then again, who wouldn't?

**McLegend** · 06-01-2009, 12:03 PM

Peta

**SammyG** · 06-01-2009, 03:08 PM

OOOOOOOOOOOOOH.

**Krimzon7** · 06-01-2009, 05:00 PM

Sick Burn??? Totally not. Didn't Vick just ink a deal to have VICK do some PSA's for them? Yes, yes he did. You know that Peta is next in line.

**Big Fat Mike** · 06-02-2009, 05:58 AM

"Hi, I'm Michael Vick. Just want to let all you little inner city thug wannabe's that dogs is people too, so don't make them kill for sport. Or else some white people with badges and big words will come and take away your millions of dollars and endorsements. Prison isnt so bad though, there's always a new guard that wants you to sign something for them and they always have the best stuff to trade. Did I mention that I'm Michael Vick?Anyway, I'm Michael Vick, and this has been me speaking for 30 required seconds."

Or something along those lines.

**Jesus Shuttlesworth** · 06-02-2009, 07:11 PM

Vince Young wants to be a starter, don't think he can hold down a position unless they put in a totally non-traditional offense for him.

Also Rodney Harrison retired today, dude was a beast - played unbelievable for the Patriots at the end of his career.

Probably my favorite Harrison play

Think it's pretty easy to guess what my least favorite Harrison play is...

**SammyG** · 06-02-2009, 07:18 PM

Always hated Rodney Harrison. Cheap shot on Trent Green that preseason.. but then again.. that paved the way for Warner to be a starter for us.. SUPERBOWL

**Gonzo** · 06-03-2009, 02:29 AM

I honestly hate Rodney Harrison too, but probably one of the more memorable players of the current generation.

Good career.

RP · 06-03-2009, 02:50 AM

Rodney Harrison might be the most overrated NFL player of all time.

**Jesus Shuttlesworth** · 06-03-2009, 02:13 PM

How is he overrated? Because he received tons of accolades and you don't like him?

**Innovator** · 06-03-2009, 02:15 PM

**road doggy dogg** · 06-03-2009, 02:29 PM

Oh hey I wasn't expecting that at all.
crossrine

**Innovator** · 06-03-2009, 02:33 PM

good for you

Just pointing out my favorite Harrison moment

**road doggy dogg** · 06-03-2009, 02:35 PM

No, you're just being extremely obvious in pointing out Stima's least-favourite Harrison moment.
crossrine

**Innovator** · 06-03-2009, 02:37 PM

Or my favorite

**Jesus Shuttlesworth** · 06-03-2009, 11:03 PM

Cool

He still won 2 Superbowls while he was a member of the Patriots so it's all good.

RP · 06-04-2009, 12:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jesus Shuttlesworth

How is he overrated? Because he received tons of accolades and you don't like him?

LOL what accolades has he recieved?

RP · 06-04-2009, 12:40 AM

Comment Email Print Share ESPN.com news services

Tom Brady's surgeon spoke for the first time Monday about the star's rehabilitation from his knee reconstruction, and the doctor didn't try to hide his astonishment at Brady's recovery.

AFC East

ESPN.com's Tim Graham writes about all things AFC East in his division blog.

• Blog network: NFL Nation

The Los Angeles Times reported Dr. Neal ElAttrache said Brady "even exceeded what I thought he was going to be able to do, and I was expecting big things from him."

ElAttrache said: "Let's face it, guys that are athletes like him, they're strung together different. By and large, they follow the same biologic rules as the rest of us. However, they're able to do things with their neuromuscular control and their strength gains and how they respond to exercise a little bit differently. Within safe limits of how we know how these things heal after an operation like this, I had to take that into consideration."

Brady returned to organized team activities with the New England Patriots on Tuesday and spoke to the media for the first time Thursday since suffering a season-ending tear in several knee ligaments in the first game of the season.

[+] EnlargeAP Photo/Stephan Savoia
Tom Brady has exceeded even his doctor's high expectations in rehabbing his knee following his October surgery.
A two-time Super Bowl Most Valuable Player and the NFL MVP in 2007, Brady crumpled to the ground in September when he was tackled in the pocket by Kansas City Chiefs safety Bernard Pollard.

ElAttrache, an orthopedic surgeon specializing in sports medicine at the Kerlan-Jobe Orthopaedic Clinic in L.A. and the Los Angeles Dodgers' team doctor, performed the knee reconstruction on Oct. 6. In addition to Brady, ElAttrache has performed surgeries on other top-flight athletes, including the Los Angeles Lakers' Kwame Brown and the Dodgers' Jason Schmidt.

"With regard to his recovery of strength, I've never seen anything quite like it," ElAttrache said to the Times. "With an average person, it would have taken probably twice as long to get range of motion and strength back."

There were several small setbacks as Brady had to have follow-up procedures for a post-operative staph infection that developed.

"I remember when we came out of the original procedure and five days later things weren't going the way that we hoped, and I think it was his instincts and quick decision-making that got me in there before anything really bad could happen," Brady said to the Times. "If you misdiagnose something like that, then you have big problems. It was his judgment and instincts, and then him assuring me that everything was going to be OK.

“
Let's face it, guys that are athletes like him, they're strung together different.

”
-- Dr. Neal ElAttrache, who performed Tom Brady's knee reconstruction

"Obviously, with how I feel now, he was 100 percent right in what he did. It's great for me to have so much trust and to know that hopefully nothing ever comes up again but if it does that I have somebody like him in my corner."

Brady told the Times neither he nor ElAttrache doubted Brady would return for the 2009 season. But that point was brought home to ElAttrache during a workout in January in which he got to see Brady in his natural environment.

"When I saw the happiness on his face whenever he had that ball in his hands and was able to get out there and move around, I thought, 'Wow, he's much further ahead than I even thought he could be,'" ElAttrache told the Times.

"That was sort of his gift to me to show me we're good."

Information from The Associated Press was used in this report.

Can you say steroids? Yes yes.

**SammyG** · 06-04-2009, 12:44 AM

If the Golden Boy ever got caught with roids, I don't know what I would believe in anymore.

**Jesus Shuttlesworth** · 06-04-2009, 01:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rectal Pertruder

LOL what accolades has he recieved?

Oh I don't know, he only made the NFL All Pro 1st team three times and the 2nd team once. He only 2 Pro Bowls but I'd say that was more because of reputation. Played in 4 Superbowls, starting in 3 of them/winning 2 of them and he also holds the record for the most tackles in a season by a Patriots' defensive back.

I know I said accolades but he's obviously had a very good career, especially coming up huge in the playoffs (ask your boy Peyton Manning & Donvan McNabb about that). I highly doubt you think he's the most overrated player in the history of the NFL and you are just saying it to be a retard. Also you probably need to look up the definition of overrated, most people talking about him now in the media tag him as a guy who was a great player but a level below a Hall of Famer, which I think fits.

RP · 06-04-2009, 06:04 AM

He was junk

**Jesus Shuttlesworth** · 06-04-2009, 02:11 PM

Brilliant

**SammyG** · 06-04-2009, 03:07 PM

Sorry, RP, you just got owned.

RP · 06-04-2009, 03:23 PM

I did?

Sammy

you cried at a party. That life owned. Ok? Deal with this and leave.

**SammyG** · 06-04-2009, 03:49 PM

Haha, that was also like fucking 2 years ago. That's over with. I am just saying. Stima very logically destroyed your argument.

RP · 06-04-2009, 03:57 PM

No he didnt. I could name about 20 players who arent considered shit, that have the same credentials. I just dont. Because stima knows he's a homer and overates his favorite players.

And you cried at a part. It doesnt matter when it happend. It happend.

**Jesus Shuttlesworth** · 06-04-2009, 04:00 PM

I'd like to see this list of 20 players who aren't considered shit.

RP · 06-04-2009, 04:05 PM

I'll make it

**Jesus Shuttlesworth** · 06-04-2009, 04:11 PM

Even if you could (which you can't) don't you think someone could just make a counter argument listing off players who have similar credentials that are considered great? One of the top of my head is Walter Jones, who was a 3 time All-Pro first team I believe.

You just don't like Rodney Harrison, which is perfectly fine, but saying he was junk is pretty stupid. Can't say I'm surprised you'd say that though.

RP · 06-04-2009, 04:15 PM

Rodney Harrison made a career in San Diego making dirty hits, getting suspended and being injured. Then he goes to New England, a well established team by then. Takes over the saftey roll and mysteriously assumes some sort of leadership because he's old and he's Rodney Harrison. Despite the fact that Bruschi was always the leader of that team. You're favorite play picture of Harrison is fucking hilarious, because Manning for some reason, threw the ball right at him. Wow Great play Rodney! I could have intercepted that ball.

Do you know how many players i can name that played in 4 Superbowls and won 1 to 2 of them? Its a big number.

**Evil Vito** · 06-04-2009, 04:16 PM

I concur with Innovator's favorite Rodney Harrison moment. But yeah, saying Harrison wasn't any good is retarded. Guy may have been a dick, but he could play. And even being a dick, certainly not my least favorite safety.

Football season is still too far away.

**Jesus Shuttlesworth** · 06-04-2009, 04:19 PM

Way to single out one little thing and make it seem like that's the only reason why I think he was a good player, do you work for FOX News? I want to see this list of 20 players who made the All Pro first team 3 times and are considered shit. Maybe you can give me a list of 20 players who have 30 sacks & 30 INTs in their career while you are at it.

RP · 06-04-2009, 04:25 PM

i probably can

**Jesus Shuttlesworth** · 06-04-2009, 04:27 PM

lol

RP · 06-04-2009, 04:46 PM

To put Rodney Harrisons career into perspective

Bob Sanders has

2� All-Pro selection (2005, 2007)
2� Pro Bowl selection (2005, 2007)
Super Bowl XLI champion
2007 AP NFL Defensive Player of the Year
2007 GMC Defensive Player of the Year
2007 AFC Defensive Player Of The Year

In 5 seasons compared to Harrisons 8 seasons.

How bout Mike Brown, 1 probowl selection, 2 All Pro teams. Thats pretty comparable.

Roy Williams has 5 Pro bowl selections and 1 All Pro team. And he cant even cover a reciever.

Tony Parish
Patrick Surtain
Chris McCalister - 3 pro bowls, 2 all pros, 1 superbowl win
Ronde Baber- 5 pro bowls, 5 all pro's, 1 superbowl win, 37 int's, 23 sacks.
John Lynch - 9 pro bowls, 4 All Pro's, 1 Superbowl win
Troy Vincent- 5 pro bowls, 3 all pro's
Charles Woodson- 5 pro bowls, 4 all pro's
Blaine Bishop- 4 pro bowls, 3 all pro's
Carnell Lake- 5 pro bowls, 4 all pro's. 1990 all decade team too.
Robert Griffith
Leroy Butler
Ray Buchanon
Merton Hanks

Harrison dont stick out from none of these people. You're trying to give him all this undeserved credit for joining an established team who were Superbowl favorites with or without him. Not to mention he was injured like 25% of the time he was on the Patriots. He's nothing special at all.

**road doggy dogg** · 06-04-2009, 04:51 PM

Stima isn't saying Harrison is as good as Lynch or Woodson or Barber etc... I understand that you're saying Harrison isn't one of the best, but that's not to say he's terrible.
crossrine

RP · 06-04-2009, 04:54 PM

Rodney Harrison has missed 33 games in the last 4 seasons for New England. The 2004 Superbowl season was the only season Harrison played 16 games. When the Patriots won in 2005, he played 3. I love how you make him out to be some Superbowl hero too. Its such a Patriots fan thing to do.

RP · 06-04-2009, 04:57 PM

And correct me if i'm wrong, didnt Rodney Harrison get busted taking HgH? Yahhhhhhhh.... have some.

06-04-2009, 12:40 AM	#820
RP King of Love and Piss Posts: 62,991	Comment Email Print Share ESPN.com news services Tom Brady's surgeon spoke for the first time Monday about the star's rehabilitation from his knee reconstruction, and the doctor didn't try to hide his astonishment at Brady's recovery. AFC East ESPN.com's Tim Graham writes about all things AFC East in his division blog. • Blog network: NFL Nation The Los Angeles Times reported Dr. Neal ElAttrache said Brady "even exceeded what I thought he was going to be able to do, and I was expecting big things from him." ElAttrache said: "Let's face it, guys that are athletes like him, they're strung together different. By and large, they follow the same biologic rules as the rest of us. However, they're able to do things with their neuromuscular control and their strength gains and how they respond to exercise a little bit differently. Within safe limits of how we know how these things heal after an operation like this, I had to take that into consideration." Brady returned to organized team activities with the New England Patriots on Tuesday and spoke to the media for the first time Thursday since suffering a season-ending tear in several knee ligaments in the first game of the season. [+] EnlargeAP Photo/Stephan Savoia Tom Brady has exceeded even his doctor's high expectations in rehabbing his knee following his October surgery. A two-time Super Bowl Most Valuable Player and the NFL MVP in 2007, Brady crumpled to the ground in September when he was tackled in the pocket by Kansas City Chiefs safety Bernard Pollard. ElAttrache, an orthopedic surgeon specializing in sports medicine at the Kerlan-Jobe Orthopaedic Clinic in L.A. and the Los Angeles Dodgers' team doctor, performed the knee reconstruction on Oct. 6. In addition to Brady, ElAttrache has performed surgeries on other top-flight athletes, including the Los Angeles Lakers' Kwame Brown and the Dodgers' Jason Schmidt. "With regard to his recovery of strength, I've never seen anything quite like it," ElAttrache said to the Times. "With an average person, it would have taken probably twice as long to get range of motion and strength back." There were several small setbacks as Brady had to have follow-up procedures for a post-operative staph infection that developed. "I remember when we came out of the original procedure and five days later things weren't going the way that we hoped, and I think it was his instincts and quick decision-making that got me in there before anything really bad could happen," Brady said to the Times. "If you misdiagnose something like that, then you have big problems. It was his judgment and instincts, and then him assuring me that everything was going to be OK. “ Let's face it, guys that are athletes like him, they're strung together different. ” -- Dr. Neal ElAttrache, who performed Tom Brady's knee reconstruction "Obviously, with how I feel now, he was 100 percent right in what he did. It's great for me to have so much trust and to know that hopefully nothing ever comes up again but if it does that I have somebody like him in my corner." Brady told the Times neither he nor ElAttrache doubted Brady would return for the 2009 season. But that point was brought home to ElAttrache during a workout in January in which he got to see Brady in his natural environment. "When I saw the happiness on his face whenever he had that ball in his hands and was able to get out there and move around, I thought, 'Wow, he's much further ahead than I even thought he could be,'" ElAttrache told the Times. "That was sort of his gift to me to show me we're good." Information from The Associated Press was used in this report. Can you say steroids? Yes yes. Last edited by RP; 06-04-2009 at 12:44 AM.

05-31-2009, 11:17 PM	#801
Jesus Shuttlesworth Posts: 42,765	Put his locker right next to Leonard Little's

05-31-2009, 11:30 PM	#802
Supreme Olajuwon You know that�s right Posts: 52,760	IT'S MURDAAAAAAAA

06-01-2009, 08:16 AM	#803
Krimzon7 King of the Ring Posts: 8,848	Jim Mora was still a Vick Supporter. I would think that if he had to choose between Vick and Seneca Wallace, he'd take VIck anyday. Then again, who wouldn't?

06-01-2009, 12:03 PM	#804
McLegend Temporary Posts: 15,597	Peta

06-01-2009, 03:08 PM	#805
SammyG LAKE SHOW HOES Posts: 25,764	OOOOOOOOOOOOOH.

06-01-2009, 05:00 PM	#806
Krimzon7 King of the Ring Posts: 8,848	Sick Burn??? Totally not. Didn't Vick just ink a deal to have VICK do some PSA's for them? Yes, yes he did. You know that Peta is next in line.

06-02-2009, 05:58 AM	#807
Big Fat Mike Brad Vickers Posts: 5,380	"Hi, I'm Michael Vick. Just want to let all you little inner city thug wannabe's that dogs is people too, so don't make them kill for sport. Or else some white people with badges and big words will come and take away your millions of dollars and endorsements. Prison isnt so bad though, there's always a new guard that wants you to sign something for them and they always have the best stuff to trade. Did I mention that I'm Michael Vick?Anyway, I'm Michael Vick, and this has been me speaking for 30 required seconds." Or something along those lines.

06-02-2009, 07:11 PM	#808
Jesus Shuttlesworth Posts: 42,765	Vince Young wants to be a starter, don't think he can hold down a position unless they put in a totally non-traditional offense for him. Also Rodney Harrison retired today, dude was a beast - played unbelievable for the Patriots at the end of his career. Probably my favorite Harrison play Think it's pretty easy to guess what my least favorite Harrison play is...

06-02-2009, 07:18 PM	#809
SammyG LAKE SHOW HOES Posts: 25,764	Always hated Rodney Harrison. Cheap shot on Trent Green that preseason.. but then again.. that paved the way for Warner to be a starter for us.. SUPERBOWL

06-03-2009, 02:29 AM	#810
Gonzo feel the madness Posts: 11,360	I honestly hate Rodney Harrison too, but probably one of the more memorable players of the current generation. Good career.

06-03-2009, 02:15 PM	#813
Innovator Inno Knows. Posts: 43,710

06-03-2009, 02:50 AM	#811
RP King of Love and Piss Posts: 62,991	Rodney Harrison might be the most overrated NFL player of all time.

06-03-2009, 02:13 PM	#812
Jesus Shuttlesworth Posts: 42,765	How is he overrated? Because he received tons of accolades and you don't like him?

06-03-2009, 02:29 PM	#814
road doggy dogg wekasauce Posts: 106,877	Oh hey I wasn't expecting that at all. crossrine

06-03-2009, 02:33 PM	#815
Innovator Inno Knows. Posts: 43,710	good for you Just pointing out my favorite Harrison moment

06-03-2009, 02:35 PM	#816
road doggy dogg wekasauce Posts: 106,877	No, you're just being extremely obvious in pointing out Stima's least-favourite Harrison moment. crossrine

06-03-2009, 02:37 PM	#817
Innovator Inno Knows. Posts: 43,710	Or my favorite

06-03-2009, 11:03 PM	#818
Jesus Shuttlesworth Posts: 42,765	Cool He still won 2 Superbowls while he was a member of the Patriots so it's all good.

06-04-2009, 12:44 AM	#821
SammyG LAKE SHOW HOES Posts: 25,764	If the Golden Boy ever got caught with roids, I don't know what I would believe in anymore.

06-04-2009, 06:04 AM	#823
RP King of Love and Piss Posts: 62,991	He was junk

06-04-2009, 02:11 PM	#824
Jesus Shuttlesworth Posts: 42,765	Brilliant

06-04-2009, 03:07 PM	#825
SammyG LAKE SHOW HOES Posts: 25,764	Sorry, RP, you just got owned.

06-04-2009, 03:23 PM	#826
RP King of Love and Piss Posts: 62,991	I did? Sammy you cried at a party. That life owned. Ok? Deal with this and leave.

06-04-2009, 03:49 PM	#827
SammyG LAKE SHOW HOES Posts: 25,764	Haha, that was also like fucking 2 years ago. That's over with. I am just saying. Stima very logically destroyed your argument.

06-04-2009, 03:57 PM	#828
RP King of Love and Piss Posts: 62,991	No he didnt. I could name about 20 players who arent considered shit, that have the same credentials. I just dont. Because stima knows he's a homer and overates his favorite players. And you cried at a part. It doesnt matter when it happend. It happend.

06-04-2009, 04:00 PM	#829
Jesus Shuttlesworth Posts: 42,765	I'd like to see this list of 20 players who aren't considered shit.

06-04-2009, 04:05 PM	#830
RP King of Love and Piss Posts: 62,991	I'll make it

06-04-2009, 04:11 PM	#831
Jesus Shuttlesworth Posts: 42,765	Even if you could (which you can't) don't you think someone could just make a counter argument listing off players who have similar credentials that are considered great? One of the top of my head is Walter Jones, who was a 3 time All-Pro first team I believe. You just don't like Rodney Harrison, which is perfectly fine, but saying he was junk is pretty stupid. Can't say I'm surprised you'd say that though.

06-04-2009, 04:15 PM	#832
RP King of Love and Piss Posts: 62,991	Rodney Harrison made a career in San Diego making dirty hits, getting suspended and being injured. Then he goes to New England, a well established team by then. Takes over the saftey roll and mysteriously assumes some sort of leadership because he's old and he's Rodney Harrison. Despite the fact that Bruschi was always the leader of that team. You're favorite play picture of Harrison is fucking hilarious, because Manning for some reason, threw the ball right at him. Wow Great play Rodney! I could have intercepted that ball. Do you know how many players i can name that played in 4 Superbowls and won 1 to 2 of them? Its a big number.

06-04-2009, 04:16 PM	#833
Evil Vito President of Freedonia Posts: 58,329	I concur with Innovator's favorite Rodney Harrison moment. But yeah, saying Harrison wasn't any good is retarded. Guy may have been a dick, but he could play. And even being a dick, certainly not my least favorite safety. Football season is still too far away.

06-04-2009, 04:19 PM	#834
Jesus Shuttlesworth Posts: 42,765	Way to single out one little thing and make it seem like that's the only reason why I think he was a good player, do you work for FOX News? I want to see this list of 20 players who made the All Pro first team 3 times and are considered shit. Maybe you can give me a list of 20 players who have 30 sacks & 30 INTs in their career while you are at it.