NBA 2009 Off Season Thread

**Jesus Shuttlesworth** · 06-18-2009, 04:01 AM

Welp since the season wrapped up a little bit ago I figured I'd start this up so stuff doesn't get lost in the shuffle.

Who do you guys think are the biggest FA coming out this year? I think it might hurt whoever they are with next year's class being he greatest collection of free agents in a long time, teams may want to be saving/setting up for that.

For the C's Glen Davis & Leon Powe are both restricted FA with Eddie House, Marbury & Mikkie Moore unrestricted.

I think Marbury & Moore are both gone but I think Davis, Powe & House will all be back with the team.

As for the rest of the NBA there is something interesting free agents out there. Odom, Ariza, Artest, Villanueva, David Lee, Turkoglu, Boozer and some others. Kobe could even opt out and be a free agent but that's doubtful.

Kinda off topic but the 2010 class is straight up ridiculous, look at some of these guys;

Joe Johnson, Ray Allen, Paul Pierce (opt-out clause), LeBron James, Dirk Nowitzki (opt-out), Kenyon Martin (opt-out), Tracy McGrady, Yao Ming (opt-out), Adam Morrison & J.J. Redick, Dwyane Wade, Michael Redd (opt-out), Jason Richardson (opt-out), Tyson Chandler (opt-out), Peja Stojakovic (opt-out), Marcus Camby, Steve Nash, Shaquille O'Neal, Amare Stoudemire (opt-out), LaMarcus Aldridge, Brandon Roy, Manu Ginobili, Chris Bosh

I know a lot of them are early termination options but WOW - there's a lot of pretty good role players too that are becoming free agents in 2010. All of those guys listed are All-Stars or pretty close to it (granted some of them are a bit older)

Can see both complete lists here: http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/s...eeagents-09-10

**SammyG** · 06-18-2009, 06:08 AM

I wanna say fuck the Celtics and I hope that the Lakers meet them in the Finals next year. kbye

**DaveBrawl** · 06-18-2009, 10:29 AM

I just hope the Celtics resign Big Baby. He really upped his game this year and he's showing a lot of promise.

**Triple Naitch** · 06-18-2009, 11:02 AM

Suns and T'Wolves are discussing Amare Stoudemire for Al Jefferson and the #6 pick. T'Wolves are giving up way to much for practically the same player.

**DaveWadding** · 06-18-2009, 11:29 AM

and Jefferson will be way better because he rebounds and plays defense.

**Supreme Olajuwon** · 06-18-2009, 01:07 PM

Ben Gordon is a free agent too. Apparently the Pistons are already planning on throwing an $11M/year offer at him.

However, this could just be Chicagoans trying to start drama because the same people who reported that also reported that the Pistons are trying to trade Rip Hamilton.

RP · 06-18-2009, 01:20 PM

There's something i dont like about Ben Gordon, i just cant put my finger on it.

**screech** · 06-18-2009, 02:50 PM

I admit that I don't know much about basketball, but it's kinda surprising to me that Turkoglu opted out of his contract.

**SammyG** · 06-18-2009, 03:53 PM

He just wants more money from Orlando. Doubt he really wants to go somewhere else.

**Jesus Shuttlesworth** · 06-18-2009, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by SammyG

I wanna say fuck the Celtics and I hope that the Lakers meet them in the Finals next year. kbye

That worked out well for the Lakers last season

Ben Gordon was impressive during the playoffs but I haven't seen him play very much outside of that.

I'm curious to see where Allen Iverson ends up?

**Triple Naitch** · 06-18-2009, 04:45 PM

I'd say Iverson is bound for Charlotte. For some reason I see him and Larry Brown both wanting a reunion.

**Jesus Shuttlesworth** · 06-18-2009, 04:46 PM

I think he would help put some asses in the seats there

I'd rather see him in a run & gun system like the Warriors or Knicks run though

**Loose Cannon** · 06-18-2009, 04:47 PM

I think Ariza is gone and Odom stays.

We all have heard Shaq to the Cavs. I dunno about that. I don't think him and Lebron will work well together.

I'm waiting for .......and the NY Knicks select......out of Davidson College....Stephen Curry

**Loose Cannon** · 06-18-2009, 04:49 PM

god, no Iverson to the Knicks. I love Iverson, but the Knicks would be taking more steps backwards with that move.

Charlotte would be a good fit. Nobody goes to the game here. And they are hardly ever talked about. Iverson would jump start some ticket sales

**Jesus Shuttlesworth** · 06-18-2009, 05:18 PM

Not saying they are going to get him or anything, pretty sure they got enough shooting guards right now - but I think AI in a system like that would be fun to watch.

I also don't think the Knicks are going to get Stephen Curry, he might not be on the board when they pick. I think James Harden would be a good fit for the Knicks, don't think he will fall that far though.

**DaveWadding** · 06-18-2009, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Triple Naitch

Suns and T'Wolves are discussing Amare Stoudemire for Al Jefferson and the #6 pick. T'Wolves are giving up way to much for practically the same player.

Not going to happen. Apparently the Suns (read: Steve Kerr) put the offer out there. If it sounds too good to be true, it probably is.

**VonErichLives** · 06-18-2009, 07:22 PM

Cavs need to pull something off and win it all to have a real shot at Lebron staying, otherwise expect him to care more about winning then money.

Celtics have a max contract they can offer next summer, not sure exactly what that means, but I think Ray Allen comes off the books....

man... KG at PF, Lebron at SF, Pierce at SG...

RP · 06-18-2009, 07:23 PM

not happening

**Loose Cannon** · 06-18-2009, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Jesus Shuttlesworth

Not saying they are going to get him or anything, pretty sure they got enough shooting guards right now - but I think AI in a system like that would be fun to watch.

I also don't think the Knicks are going to get Stephen Curry, he might not be on the board when they pick. I think James Harden would be a good fit for the Knicks, don't think he will fall that far though.

yea, I've read a bunch of things online that the Knicks want him and Curry wants to play there. Here's one article from this week

http://www.newsday.com/sports/basket...,3396482.story

I am a huge fan of his just seeing him play here when he came to UNC Charlotte and then of course in the 2008 tourney. I would love that to get done.

With AI, he was my fav player at one point, but he just seems to make teams worse now. I think your Celtics would actually be a better spot for him cause he'll be around guys that can kind of put him in place. Kind of like a Marbury deal. One year or something

**Krimzon7** · 06-18-2009, 08:38 PM

No fucking way is that happening. LEbron is NYC bound if he's going anywhere.

**OssMan** · 06-18-2009, 09:02 PM

**Triple Naitch** · 06-18-2009, 09:04 PM

Good for you, Paul.

**The Gold Standard** · 06-18-2009, 09:28 PM

If Kobe opts out, he will probably resign right?

**Juan** · 06-18-2009, 09:38 PM

Yeah, I've heard he might opt out to make some salary space to help keep Odom, Ariza and Brown.

**Juan** · 06-18-2009, 09:39 PM

All indications are that Jerry Buss and Mitch Kupchak will do whatever it takes to keep all three. All three of them want to stay.

**The Gold Standard** · 06-18-2009, 09:41 PM

Ariza could get a huge amount on the market if he wanted i think

**Juan** · 06-18-2009, 09:46 PM

Yeah he could. Dude came up big in the playoffs

**Triple Naitch** · 06-18-2009, 09:53 PM

I could see a lower team like Memphis try to offer him the full mid-level.

**Juan** · 06-18-2009, 09:54 PM

They can offer all they want, but Ariza is not going anywhere.

**Triple Naitch** · 06-18-2009, 09:55 PM

I'm not saying he'll take it.

**Juan** · 06-18-2009, 10:15 PM

I know

**Jesus Shuttlesworth** · 06-19-2009, 06:58 AM

What about LeBron to the Clippers in 2010? He would have Blake Griffin & Eric Gordon as his supporting cast...

**Juan** · 06-19-2009, 07:09 AM

that would be awesome, imo

**Hanso Amore** · 06-19-2009, 10:37 AM

Iverson to the Bobcats would be good IMHO, but they dont have the space to sign him. They really fucked up their cap room bringing in Diop, Nazr, Diaw and Bell. Felton is a free agent and they are going to have to resign him, and they are already over the cap.

Jefferson is way better than Amare, I just dont get that trade...plus adding in the 6th pick? WHAT?

Jefferson is going to be the number 2 big man in the NBA behind Howard for a long time. The Wolves need to dump cardinal and Miller, and sign a real PG. Maybe the an lure Felton, or maybe they go for a guy like Jarrett Jack. Jefferson/Love will be a nice start, they can add.

I think Gordon to the Pistons is wrong, I think they are going to break the bank for Boozer.

Gordon to the Thunder could be a surprise.

Westbrook, Gordon, Durant, Green and Thabeet in the draft....thats a hell of a starting 5 to grow together.

I think Zack Randolph, Marcus Campby or Chris Kaman move before the draft.

If they do find a way to move Wallace for Shaq, and Wallace retires, the Suns would then have 16 million in cap room, right? Hello Trevor Ariza and random Center? That would be a major coup.

**Hanso Amore** · 06-19-2009, 10:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jesus Shuttlesworth

What about LeBron to the Clippers in 2010? He would have Blake Griffin & Eric Gordon as his supporting cast...

Think they would still have Baron Davis.

Dont think they have the Cap room in 2010. I think Randolph, Kaman and Davis are signed past 2010.

**SammyG** · 06-19-2009, 04:36 PM

**DaveWadding** · 06-19-2009, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Jesus Shuttlesworth

Kinda off topic but the 2010 class is straight up ridiculous, look at some of these guys;

Jason Richardson (opt-out)

don't see this on any list anywhere. According to RotoWorld he's not an FA until 2011.

That said, I dont see what the Suns are clearing cap right now. After this year, Nash (will prob be resigned though), Shaq and Amare come off the books. Clearing Shaq and Amare means they'll have almost $40 mil free in that 2010 summer, and that's not even counting a reduced contract for Steve. After those 3 expire, they will have J-Rich ($14.5 mil) and Barbosa (at like $7 mil) as the only BIG contracts they have. I dont see when they are so eager to trade away free money during a great FA class like the 2010 one. Don't get it.

**Krimzon7** · 06-19-2009, 07:45 PM

If they get rid of Shaq to the Cavs, the Suns would get to clear money with Ben Wallace retiring this year. They would clear money INSTANTLY, which will definitely help them avoid a luxury tax. If you can't contend for a chip (realistically) then that tax is a heavy price to pay for mediocre. You can shave money, add some quality depth, and make a solid splash in 2010.

**Jesus Shuttlesworth** · 06-20-2009, 12:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaveWadding

don't see this on any list anywhere. According to RotoWorld he's not an FA until 2011.

My bad, I meant Richard Jefferson from the Bucks. Dunno why I put Jason Richardson

**Brujesino** · 06-20-2009, 03:31 AM

Monta Ellis yet again had to denounce trade rumors

stephen jackson is weighing 240 but says its a good thing cuz he can run better and overall is in better shape then he use to be he says he will cut his weight to 230 or 235 to play

Anthiny Randolph has added weight on and is working on a consistent mid range game

i think the warriors should draft Jordan Hill or Brandon Jennings this year

06-18-2009, 05:18 PM	#15
Jesus Shuttlesworth Posts: 42,765	Not saying they are going to get him or anything, pretty sure they got enough shooting guards right now - but I think AI in a system like that would be fun to watch. I also don't think the Knicks are going to get Stephen Curry, he might not be on the board when they pick. I think James Harden would be a good fit for the Knicks, don't think he will fall that far though. Last edited by Jesus Shuttlesworth; 06-18-2009 at 05:22 PM.

06-18-2009, 06:08 AM	#2
SammyG LAKE SHOW HOES Posts: 25,764	I wanna say fuck the Celtics and I hope that the Lakers meet them in the Finals next year. kbye

06-18-2009, 10:29 AM	#3
DaveBrawl Inconceivable Posts: 9,887	I just hope the Celtics resign Big Baby. He really upped his game this year and he's showing a lot of promise.

06-18-2009, 11:02 AM	#4
Triple Naitch Formerly Fausto Carmona Posts: 16,875	Suns and T'Wolves are discussing Amare Stoudemire for Al Jefferson and the #6 pick. T'Wolves are giving up way to much for practically the same player.

06-18-2009, 11:29 AM	#5
DaveWadding LIMITLESS Posts: 32,276	and Jefferson will be way better because he rebounds and plays defense.

06-18-2009, 01:07 PM	#6
Supreme Olajuwon You know that�s right Posts: 52,759	Ben Gordon is a free agent too. Apparently the Pistons are already planning on throwing an $11M/year offer at him. However, this could just be Chicagoans trying to start drama because the same people who reported that also reported that the Pistons are trying to trade Rip Hamilton.

06-18-2009, 01:20 PM	#7
RP King of Love and Piss Posts: 62,991	There's something i dont like about Ben Gordon, i just cant put my finger on it.

06-18-2009, 02:50 PM	#8
screech Shelly Martinez = Ratings Posts: 23,615	I admit that I don't know much about basketball, but it's kinda surprising to me that Turkoglu opted out of his contract.

06-18-2009, 03:53 PM	#9
SammyG LAKE SHOW HOES Posts: 25,764	He just wants more money from Orlando. Doubt he really wants to go somewhere else.

06-18-2009, 04:45 PM	#11
Triple Naitch Formerly Fausto Carmona Posts: 16,875	I'd say Iverson is bound for Charlotte. For some reason I see him and Larry Brown both wanting a reunion.

06-18-2009, 04:46 PM	#12
Jesus Shuttlesworth Posts: 42,765	I think he would help put some asses in the seats there I'd rather see him in a run & gun system like the Warriors or Knicks run though

06-18-2009, 04:47 PM	#13
Loose Cannon I'm all there is Posts: 31,811	I think Ariza is gone and Odom stays. We all have heard Shaq to the Cavs. I dunno about that. I don't think him and Lebron will work well together. I'm waiting for .......and the NY Knicks select......out of Davidson College....Stephen Curry

06-18-2009, 04:49 PM	#14
Loose Cannon I'm all there is Posts: 31,811	god, no Iverson to the Knicks. I love Iverson, but the Knicks would be taking more steps backwards with that move. Charlotte would be a good fit. Nobody goes to the game here. And they are hardly ever talked about. Iverson would jump start some ticket sales

06-18-2009, 07:22 PM	#17
VonErichLives DU's illegitimate brother Posts: 3,685	Cavs need to pull something off and win it all to have a real shot at Lebron staying, otherwise expect him to care more about winning then money. Celtics have a max contract they can offer next summer, not sure exactly what that means, but I think Ray Allen comes off the books.... man... KG at PF, Lebron at SF, Pierce at SG...

06-18-2009, 07:23 PM	#18
RP King of Love and Piss Posts: 62,991	not happening

06-18-2009, 08:38 PM	#20
Krimzon7 King of the Ring Posts: 8,848	No fucking way is that happening. LEbron is NYC bound if he's going anywhere.

06-18-2009, 09:02 PM	#21
OssMan The Classic Dylan Staples Posts: 51,465

06-18-2009, 09:04 PM	#22
Triple Naitch Formerly Fausto Carmona Posts: 16,875	Good for you, Paul.

06-18-2009, 09:28 PM	#23
The Gold Standard Posts: 4,365	If Kobe opts out, he will probably resign right?

06-18-2009, 09:38 PM	#24
Juan Doin' It Right Posts: 35,461	Yeah, I've heard he might opt out to make some salary space to help keep Odom, Ariza and Brown.

06-18-2009, 09:39 PM	#25
Juan Doin' It Right Posts: 35,461	All indications are that Jerry Buss and Mitch Kupchak will do whatever it takes to keep all three. All three of them want to stay.

06-18-2009, 09:41 PM	#26
The Gold Standard Posts: 4,365	Ariza could get a huge amount on the market if he wanted i think

06-18-2009, 09:46 PM	#27
Juan Doin' It Right Posts: 35,461	Yeah he could. Dude came up big in the playoffs

06-18-2009, 09:53 PM	#28
Triple Naitch Formerly Fausto Carmona Posts: 16,875	I could see a lower team like Memphis try to offer him the full mid-level.

06-18-2009, 09:54 PM	#29
Juan Doin' It Right Posts: 35,461	They can offer all they want, but Ariza is not going anywhere.

06-18-2009, 09:55 PM	#30
Triple Naitch Formerly Fausto Carmona Posts: 16,875	I'm not saying he'll take it.

06-18-2009, 10:15 PM	#31
Juan Doin' It Right Posts: 35,461	I know

06-19-2009, 06:58 AM	#32
Jesus Shuttlesworth Posts: 42,765	What about LeBron to the Clippers in 2010? He would have Blake Griffin & Eric Gordon as his supporting cast...

06-19-2009, 07:09 AM	#33
Juan Doin' It Right Posts: 35,461	that would be awesome, imo

06-19-2009, 10:37 AM	#34
Hanso Amore You can't teach that Posts: 19,337	Iverson to the Bobcats would be good IMHO, but they dont have the space to sign him. They really fucked up their cap room bringing in Diop, Nazr, Diaw and Bell. Felton is a free agent and they are going to have to resign him, and they are already over the cap. Jefferson is way better than Amare, I just dont get that trade...plus adding in the 6th pick? WHAT? Jefferson is going to be the number 2 big man in the NBA behind Howard for a long time. The Wolves need to dump cardinal and Miller, and sign a real PG. Maybe the an lure Felton, or maybe they go for a guy like Jarrett Jack. Jefferson/Love will be a nice start, they can add. I think Gordon to the Pistons is wrong, I think they are going to break the bank for Boozer. Gordon to the Thunder could be a surprise. Westbrook, Gordon, Durant, Green and Thabeet in the draft....thats a hell of a starting 5 to grow together. I think Zack Randolph, Marcus Campby or Chris Kaman move before the draft. If they do find a way to move Wallace for Shaq, and Wallace retires, the Suns would then have 16 million in cap room, right? Hello Trevor Ariza and random Center? That would be a major coup.

06-19-2009, 04:36 PM	#36
SammyG LAKE SHOW HOES Posts: 25,764