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Old 01-06-2010, 08:23 PM   #921
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Randy Johnson had 5 great years with the Mariners. He had 5 of the greatest seasons ever by a pitcher with the D-Backs. Best lefty of all time potentially.
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Old 01-06-2010, 08:48 PM   #922
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God, still don't get Andre Dawson's induction. His OPS is BARELY .800 for his career. How does he get in over Alomar or Blyleven?
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Old 01-06-2010, 09:42 PM   #923
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Never got the big deal about the Hall of Fame in any sport. Obviously its a huge accomplishment but at the same time its a bunch of writers making the votes, no?
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Old 01-06-2010, 09:50 PM   #924
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Not all of them, some also include the actual players who entered the Hall (Players Committee) or a mixture of players and historians (Veterans Comittee).

The tradition of writers being the 1st to vote in baseball was because some of the earliest stat trackers were writers who used to keep track of the stats when they talked about players in newspapers. Since they were the primary analysts in the beginning, they were able to track how well a player would be hitting or pitching in any given point of the year.
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I'm glad The Hawk made it into the HOF.
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Old 01-06-2010, 10:20 PM   #926
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Fucking Blyleven screwed once again.
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LOL Matt Holliday's new deal is Bobby Bonilla all over again:

As part of his new seven year, $120MM contract, Matt Holliday will be collecting paychecks from the Cardinals through 2029 according to the AP (via SI.com). As you know, the contract calls for a $17MM annual salary through 2016 with an option for 2017, however $2MM is deferred without interest each season. Depending on whether or not the option is picked up/vests, Holliday will be paid either $1.4MM or $1.6MM on July 15th every year from 2020 to 2029.

Just for some perspective, Holliday will be 49 years old on July 15th, 2029.
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Sounds like a great pension plan
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Old 01-06-2010, 10:59 PM   #929
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Besides they gotta have some $$ left n the bank come 2011 when Pujols is eligible for free agency
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I don't understand why more athletes don't go the deferment route.

Some of the 93 Phillies tried to get deferments so the team could get some big free agent who possibly was Barry Bonds. The Phillies front office said "no" though.
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Old 01-07-2010, 02:43 AM   #931
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Yeah, I see no way the Cardinals let Pujols hit the market, they are likely gonna work on extension constantly throughout the final two years of his contract, probably will wind up netting like $200 M.

There was an article on ESPN saying the fucking Yankees are mulling saving up two years in advance to try and get Pujols if he hits the market. Fortunately, I don't think Pujols would want to be reduced to a DH when he is a Gold Glove caliber defender...but UGH the thought of Albert going to the Yankees sickens me. I'd probably stop watching baseball.
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Old 01-07-2010, 12:07 PM   #933
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The Aroldis Chapman Sweepstakes may be drawing to a close pretty soon. Astros, Yanks, Mets, and Marlins are all out of it.

Red Sox got the only solid offer on the table at the moment.
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Fuck, just realized that Piazza is eligible to go in the same year as Bonds and Clemens. Barring something drastic changing in the next couple of years, neither of those two will get in on the first ballot...and so poor Mike's induction will probably get overlooked by Bonds/Clemens' non-induction.
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Old 01-07-2010, 02:55 PM   #935
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Well not as overlooked as he would've been if they did get inducted, so take that as a victory.
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Old 01-07-2010, 04:09 PM   #936
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Tony LaRussa says he'd consider adding McGwire to his postseason roster this year to have him as a pinch hitter. Genius.
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True. The only question with Mike is what hat he'll wear on his plaque. I think his numbers with the Dodgers are only slightly better, slight enough that the fact that he's widely regarded as one of the Top 3 Mets in history and most of his milestones came as a Met will probably be enough to make him the 2nd player to go in as a Met. If his #31 still hasn't been retired by then, I think it might happen in 2013 to go along with his induction.
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Tony LaRussa says he'd consider adding McGwire to his postseason roster this year to have him as a pinch hitter. Genius.
Hmm, if Mark does pinch-hit, that will reset his HoF clock making it so he won't be eligible again until 2016. 5 more years for the public and press to forget his transgressions and rebuild his image. LaRussa is a diabolical genius!
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Roy Firestone (yes, the real Roy Firestone) posted this over at the Orioles Blog/Forum I go to:

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Apparently there were blank ballots turned in by some sportswriters. A blank ballot either means that no one is deserving of the HOF this year(stupid) or there is some kind of personal vendetta against a player(small and petty).
I want everyone on this board to know something from me very few people know about Robby Alomar.
The 'spitting incident', if it indeed cost him a first ballot selection into the HOF, was a character BUILDER for Roberto.
Since that horrendous act in 1996,Robby has quietly generated tens of thousands of dollars to John Hirschbeck's ALD fund. That fund raises money for the horrible, incurable disease that cost John Hirschbeck's son John, his life.
His other son, Mark also has the disease and is in remission.
Robby not only donated signed items and his time, but lobbied for other players to stand together for John's funding drive.
Roberto has forged a nice friendship with John and John only speaks highly of Roberto. I know this story well because I was host of several of John's fundraisers and saw it all first hand.
Anyone who would withold a vote for a clearly worthy HOF candidate like Robby Alomar, especially over this ugly incident..is either petty or ignorant of the entire story.
If someone called themselves a writer and didnt know the whole story, they, not Alomar, are not worthy of the HOF ballot.
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Ed Wade signs Brett Myers to the Houston Phillies.
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Mets claim Jay Marshall off waivers from the A's

Atrocious big league numbers, only real positive seems to be that he had great numbers against lefties in the minor leagues...whatever that's worth. He could crack the Opening Day bullpen if he has a good spring facing lefties...Mets could really use another lefty out there. Feliciano's great but so many times last year the Mets would be playing the Phillies, they'd use Feliciano to get out Utley, Howard, and Ibanez...but then have to face that trio again later and were forced to use a righty.
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Grove is #1 though in my book
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Ah Lefty Grove. The man who beat Lou Gehrig for the MVP in 1931.

184 RBI, 163 R, 211 hits and you come in second place? Ouch
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Nah man, Koufax was the best
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Koufax is overrated.
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Year   Age  Tm Lg  W  L W-L%  ERA  G GS    IP   H  BB  SO ERA+  WHIP BB/9 SO/9 SO/BB

1955    19 BRO NL  2  2 .500 3.02 12  5  41.2  33  28  30  135 1.464  6.0  6.5  1.07

1956    20 BRO NL  2  4 .333 4.91 16 10  58.2  66  29  30   82 1.619  4.4  4.6  1.03

1957    21 BRO NL  5  4 .556 3.88 34 13 104.1  83  51 122  107 1.284  4.4 10.5  2.39

1958    22 LAD NL 11 11 .500 4.48 40 26 158.2 132 105 131   92 1.494  6.0  7.4  1.25

1959    23 LAD NL  8  6 .571 4.05 35 23 153.1 136  92 173  104 1.487  5.4 10.2  1.88

1960    24 LAD NL  8 13 .381 3.91 37 26 175.0 133 100 197  101 1.331  5.1 10.1  1.97

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Please explain how Koufax can be the greatest lefty of all time when he was never better than average for half his career.
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honestly, if this were the 1st half of a pitcher's career starting in 1995, they would say he was on the juice.
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clearly Lefty Grove was the best Left handed pitcher ever

his name was Lefty after all
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Old 01-09-2010, 08:53 PM   #954
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so was Lefty Gomez and Lefty Williams.

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Vladimir Guerrero to the Rangers. 1-year, $5 mil. with incentives with an '11 option.
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Vlad is declining, mostly because of his health issues. I'd love to see him get it back in Texas
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At first I thought him moving to Rangers would be a bad move compared to him being used to going to the playoffs with the Angels but then remembered Angels refused to pay for his injury prone/declining numbers so it made sense for him to move.

Texas biggest problem is defense and pitching (defense more than pitching) but Vlad does provide enough spark on batting even if he's just used as a DH.


Off-topic note: How come no baseball or sports players is ever named Righty but there is a bunch of Lefty as a name ?
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im not really interested..sorry
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