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Old 02-21-2010, 08:32 AM   #41
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What's Ultimo Dragon doing these days? His Wikipedia page doesn't list him as retired. And hell, it still has Joey Mercury listed as retired. To be honest, I would mark out fucking hard if Dragon showed up on SmackDown!. He's apparently 43, and has no doubt been slowed by injuries, but the WWE style is slower anyway. Some guys who work the same style go longer. He's been gone for so long that his last run in the WWE would largely be forgotten. They can hype him as a hero to both Japanese and Spanish-speaking fans.

Part of me just really wants to hear Matt Striker call an Ultimo Dragon match.
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Old 02-21-2010, 12:08 PM   #42
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He's in an Italian promotion. Nu-Wrestling Evolution, I think it's called.
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Old 02-21-2010, 12:09 PM   #43
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He looks bad-ass in a suit. I know he trained under him, and respects the fuck out of the man -- but there is something William Regal-ish in the aura Daniel Bryan has. I'm marking out for him in those photos. I just wish that he had his longer hair.
Danileson wrestles a lot like William Regal, technically smooth yet hard hitting. He uses lot of european uppercuts as well as grinding in some of those submission moves. He walks around the ring like he's above it all in the ring supremely confident with that aura of smugness... Hell Danielson's maroon trunks are the same style that Regal used to wear in WCW. No wonder he reminds people or Regal.
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Old 02-21-2010, 12:25 PM   #44
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Regal is the guy he beat for the title, fyi. Both reigns.

You can say whatever you want, I don't care. I've seen every major cruiserweight match, from the early wwwf stuff with Tigermask and Dynamite, all the way up to 2005, and the crowd was into every single one of them.
actually he beat Price Iaukea the first time, but whatever, it was not a well rounded division. Mostly the lower end guys.

Look, Ultimo Dragon was a great worker. One of the greatest workers of all-time, but his style was always going to take him so far in the United States. It's just the way it is and always has been since when pro wreslting started here. Crusierweight matches are fun to watch. They are fast paced, exciting and fans do like them. Not arguing that. But those type of wrstlers will never hold top spots in a company like WWE unless they change thier style completely.

By the way, I think Dragon should of recieved a run with the WWE Lightheavy/Crusier belt. That I will give you. I think Taijiri had it for a while when he was there and that would of been a good feud
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Old 02-21-2010, 12:29 PM   #45
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I thought ROH marks were the worst??
nah, they are kind of in thier own world. Like I know you like ROH and a lot of others (like Noid, Inno, WWKD, Fignuts) on here do. But you guys are actually smart and understand wrestling. Then you have the other lot that thinks ROH is the end all be all of wrestling and WWE is some kind of bully. That I can't stand
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actually he beat Price Iaukea the first time, but whatever, it was not a well rounded division. Mostly the lower end guys.

Look, Ultimo Dragon was a great worker. One of the greatest workers of all-time, but his style was always going to take him so far in the United States. It's just the way it is and always has been since when pro wreslting started here. Crusierweight matches are fun to watch. They are fast paced, exciting and fans do like them. Not arguing that. But those type of wrstlers will never hold top spots in a company like WWE unless they change thier style completely.
Hell, that's fine. i would never suggest Ultimo hold the top spot in WWE. But he definitely could have filled a role. They teased a fued between him and Rey , who was cruiserweight champ at the time, after his debut match. They should have ran with that, at least until the next PPV. Dragon was at his best in america, when he was the foil to a popular face, be it Malenko, or mysterio. That's really how he should have been brought in. I also agree with Noid, that he should have had a heel manager. That solves the lack of talking on Ultimo's part, to some extent.

And I disagree on the mask being a detriment. When you've got a ton of masked wrestlers like they did in wcw, maybe. But the fact that he was the only other masked wrestler in wwe at the time, and that wwe constantly reminded fans of the importance of the mask, would have just added to the fued with Mysterio. And kids love masks. WWE might not of been as PG as it is now, but there were still millions of kids watching, and you would have made a lot of money on Ultimo masks, if he would have been given a bigger role in the CW division.

I'm not some ant-wwe, ROH-bot. think I've only watched roh about five or six times, tbh. And I will agree that the powers that be in wwe are smart, business minded people, but they are only human. They can make mistakes. I doubt that you have agreed with every decision they've ever made. Well I feel that Ultimo could have been a great heel foil to Rey mysterio.

That's it. Not WWE World Heavyweight Champion. Not the "top guy". I don't think that is asking too much, imo.
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i don't think wwe is realy a bully, i think each has it's place.
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Old 02-21-2010, 03:51 PM   #49
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Danileson wrestles a lot like William Regal, technically smooth yet hard hitting. He uses lot of european uppercuts as well as grinding in some of those submission moves. He walks around the ring like he's above it all in the ring supremely confident with that aura of smugness... Hell Danielson's maroon trunks are the same style that Regal used to wear in WCW. No wonder he reminds people or Regal.
Yeah, I know that. But I'm just talking about the way he just stands there.
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He looks bad-ass in a suit. I know he trained under him, and respects the fuck out of the man -- but there is something William Regal-ish in the aura Daniel Bryan has. I'm marking out for him in those photos. I just wish that he had his longer hair.
Odds on Miz using the photos to back up the accountant line?
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The Tie is fucking awesome.

Also, I think it's gonna be interesting to see how this goes. Can't say that about something 'E has come up with in years.
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Old 02-22-2010, 02:26 AM   #52
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Daniel Bryan eventually beating the shit out of The Miz will be people's mark out moment of the year.
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WWE NXT rookie Daniel Bryan (formerly Bryan Danielson) appeared on “The B.J. Shea Morning Experience” radio show on 99.9 KISW in Seattle this morning to discuss tonight’s WWE NXT debut. You can listen to the interview it’s entirety at KISW.com. Here’s what Bryan said about:

His Name Change: Well we have to accept the things that are handed down to us, but it is pretty close to my name, you know what I mean? I am comfortable with it and I think it is going to be good. Most people who watch WWE Universe have no idea who I am so they don’t know about what my name was before or anything like that.
To them I’m always going to be known as Daniel Bryan. I think that will be okay. It’s just that the WWE is an enormous corporation and it’s smart for them to have the rights of anybody they put on TV. It doesn’t matter if the person is successful; I’m successful and they own the rights and that helps them and their merchandising and that sort of thing. I don’t think it’s really a big deal; it’s a pretty standard thing.”

The Miz Calling Him Boring: “So the deal with The Miz is that that’s how he’s gotten by. He’s very charismatic, he’s gone out there, he’s really good at making people hate him. How I’ve gotten by is a little bit different. I’ve been doing this for over ten years now and what I’ve gotten by and how I made my name is by being excellent in the ring, but that doesn’t mean what he’s saying isn’t partially correct, you know what I mean?

“There is this huge aspect there where for me it’s always been what goes on in the ring. And with the WWE…that’s a big part of it, it’s presenting yourself as a superstar. And when he said I look like an accountant, I kinda do! I don’t watch television, I don’t e-mail. He was asking me, ‘What do you do with yourself?’ and I said, ‘Well, I read!’ (Miz responded) ‘What? Who reads?’ It’s just one of those things where there’s going to be a learning curb there because it’s completely different then anything I’ve every done.”
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If Danielson does pick up the personality of a "superstar", and gets over with the crowd, I see good things coming. He's obviously got the company man part down. He's being humble, despite being an "indy sensation" and I think that'll take him far.
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Old 02-23-2010, 05:49 PM   #56
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Sounds like he "gets it."

I think things are going to work out for him, I really do. He can fill a niche that a guy like Benoit once did.
I think it's more likely that he'll see success like CM Punk, than it is that he gets "misused...", just from the sound of how high on him everyone within the company is, and his attitude.

Always good to see indy guys "get it" and realize how the industry works, rather than thinkk they're above everything like Paul London
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Old 02-23-2010, 06:39 PM   #57
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He has Regal and HBK in his corner, so that helps
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Old 02-23-2010, 07:23 PM   #58
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lol "who reads?"

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Forgot to DVR it. Gonna have to torrent that shit up tomorrow.
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I've actually avoided spoilers for WWE NXT, so I am pretty excited. I LOVE the theory behind this. If being paired with guys like Chris Jericho, CM Punk, Matt Hardy and R-Truth can't get you over -- then you're fucked. Plus, there is a level of commitment attached to these guys, who pretty much have to get four months of attention and development or so. Plus, there are some guys in there like William Regal, who may not be generally accepted by marks as the greatest ever, but can teach you how to get heat, and little things to up your game. That is exactly that something a hoss like Skip Sheffield could really use.
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Yeah, I know that. But I'm just talking about the way he just stands there.
I know you do. You can tell when Danielson was first learning he emulated Regal. He does so much like Regal some of it might not even be on purpose. His grinding submission style is a decision Danielson made when he started out, but along the way he probably just picked up the subtle demeanor.

It's like my friend who's in a band. He emulated Kurt Cobain. The way he sang was like Kurt Cobain and the type of music he played was like Nirvana or bands that Cobain loved. He emulated him so much that even the way he approaches a microphone is similar to Cobain.

I totally get what you meant. Danielson is like Regal with some of the theatrics of Shawn Michaels.
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Old 02-24-2010, 11:38 PM   #63
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Yeah, that's what I was referring to. Danielson just sends off the same aura as Regal these days. It's probably not even conscious anymore.
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Old 02-25-2010, 05:02 PM   #64
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The question is, are these guys REALLY being mentored, or just in kayfabe?
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Old 02-25-2010, 05:18 PM   #65
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They're prolly trying to work us a bit, with the Michael Cole B.S. etc. but who cares, it's fun.
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