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Old 04-05-2010, 11:31 PM   #321
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How he won the title is irrelevant here. I don't know how many ways it can be said: The World Champion should be treated as the top guy, no matter who he is. If that is not the case, then there is no reason to have a World Champion, as he would be just like everyone else.
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All of that is completely irrelevant, he is the World Heavyweight Champion. You book him like the World Heavyweight Champion. End of story. Jesus. Sheamus didn't beat a guy with taped up ribs in an opportunistic fashion and he was treated the same way.
Ya he fell one way and Cena fell through a table, he didnt even put Cean through it, again another champion booked as a fluke champion, fuck me
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Old 04-05-2010, 11:32 PM   #323
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Old 04-05-2010, 11:32 PM   #324
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No, he put John Cena through a table in a tables match. How many things are you going to over-analyze here?
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Old 04-05-2010, 11:33 PM   #325
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Look keep yer opinions, as assbackwards as they are, ill keep mine so lets shut the fuck up
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How do we make a contender for the title if the champion cant lose non title matches?
Have the new challenger work his way up the card. Have him "take the champion to the limit," and "earn his respect" to get a shot. It's not that hard.
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lol C'mon Narc, Sheamus won by how HBPunk said..both fell and Cena happened to fall through a table, thus ending the match.

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No, he put John Cena through a table in a tables match. How many things are you going to over-analyze here?
Ye started it by complaining. if he put cena through a table tell me what move he used? and why he also fell off the ropes?
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Have the new challenger work his way up the card. Have him "take the champion to the limit," and "earn his respect" to get a shot. It's not that hard.
Nothing wrong with that logic. But dude, you and Narc, you do NOT see where i am coming from at all?
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Have the new challenger work his way up the card. Have him "take the champion to the limit," and "earn his respect" to get a shot. It's not that hard.
Exactly! i agree with this method but swagger didnt do this, he has no 'respect' which is why Cena gave him none and he took the champion to the ten second mark
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The way Sheamus/Swagger won their respective titles doesn't matter here. The fact is that they held them and neither was treated as the top guy.
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Exactly! i agree with this method but swagger didnt do this, he has no 'respect' which is why Cena gave him none and he took the champion to the ten second mark
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The way Sheamus/Swagger won their respective titles doesn't matter here. The fact is that they held them and neither was treated as the top guy.
ok lol.

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The way Sheamus/Swagger won their respective titles doesn't matter here. The fact is that they held them and neither was treated as the top guy.
what you are saying here is 'booking doesnt matter'!
Really?
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He won the match in the only way you can possibly end the match. He put him through the table. My god you guys.

You know, you would've all come across better in the beginning had you not tried to pull the "So, Swagger should just never lose ever? He should be completely unbeatable?" deal. Nobody ever claimed any of that. This ONE EDITION of Monday Night RAW was poorly booked in terms of the World Heavyweight Championship. You just don't job your flagship guy out in his first match since winning the title to a guy that most likely isn't even going to be challenging for that title at all. It doesn't make any sense. Booking 101.
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what you are saying here is 'booking doesnt matter'!
Really?
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Old 04-05-2010, 11:39 PM   #338
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He won the match in the only way you can possibly end the match. He put him through the table. My god you guys.

You know, you would've all come across better in the beginning had you not tried to pull the "So, Swagger should just never lose ever? He should be completely unbeatable?" deal. Nobody ever claimed any of that. This ONE EDITION of Monday Night RAW was poorly booked in terms of the World Heavyweight Championship. You just don't job your flagship guy out in his first match since winning the title to a guy that most likely isn't even going to be challenging for that title at all. It doesn't make any sense. Booking 101.
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what you are saying here is 'booking doesnt matter'!
Really?
I am saying what I've been saying all along: the World Champion should be treated as the top guy. There would be no point in having champions if they were not held in a higher regard than everyone else on the roster.
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You just don't job your flagship guy out in his first match since winning the title to a guy that most likely isn't even going to be challenging for that title at all. It doesn't make any sense. Booking 101.
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Book my penis guys, im out. Difference of opinion...































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I am not sure how I felt about Raw. I think Otunga did a good job, but nothing really stood out, well except Swagger losing.
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Old 04-06-2010, 12:09 AM   #344
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I still don't see the connection between Otunga winning a battle royal and hosting RAW. Why was that such a prize?
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I understand the point of people hating how Swagger lost clean, but I have no problem with it.

Swagger (like some previous MITB winners) is viewed as a "fluke" Champion as of right now, who needs to prove that he can hang with the main event players. I think it would be a bit too much to see Swagger going over Orton clean already. He had a great performance and looked strong against RAW's rising babyface. In my opinion, a clean loss would have hurt Orton more than it would Swagger.

It seems as though WWE's plan may be to let us watch Swagger "grow up", mature as a champion, and slowly prove himself to be a main eventer night in and night out, and not just all of a sudden.

Now, I'm not saying Orton pinning him clean was the best option, because I would have preferred a DQ (or they not face at all), but I honestly don't think this hurts Swagger much at all.
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I still don't see the connection between Otunga winning a battle royal and hosting RAW. Why was that such a prize?
He was barely on Raw.
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Old 04-06-2010, 01:51 AM   #347
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I was a little disappointed Swagger did a clean job but Orton has been uber hot as of late, and Swagger all of a sudden being able to beat top guys despite being in obscurity for over 6 months makes little sense.

I understand the "top guy should be booked like the top guy" argument and I agree with it, but at the same time Swagger should not just be able to dive right in a find success. I think the match should have been booked with either Swagger going over Orton after hitting with the belt or getting dq'd, or just walking out of the match in frustration that he could't beat Orton, which would lead to count out.

Either way, it was a great match, and I almost want Orton on SmackDown! so he can chase.
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It's pretty obvious he is going to somehow make it out of NXT and get a push fro the start. The only thing he has going for him is his mainstream wife. Yes, he's got a good look, and the gimmick is pretty much built in, but he's going to get shoved down our throats.

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Old 04-06-2010, 07:13 AM   #354
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Also like there's a black Cena, there's a white Ortega
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Old 04-06-2010, 10:04 AM   #355
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Also like there's a black Cena, there's a white Ortega
Ya his name is Ariel Ortega and he used to play soccer for Argentina, who the fuck are you talking about? Think your so funny with your little cereal box joke and its not even the right name, what a massive prick
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Old 04-06-2010, 11:40 AM   #356
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lol Punk you throw a spaz over anything, my goodness. settle down kid.
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lol Punk you throw a spaz over anything, my goodness. settle down kid.
Ah fuck it dude, im just having a laugh some people need to be told whats what though and i get a kick out of it
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Old 04-06-2010, 01:14 PM   #358
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...I would have preferred a DQ (or they not face at all)...
The two facing makes sense because Orton pinned Swagger in the tag match last week, but I don't like how the match ended. It would have been better if what you suggested happened...

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...I think the match should have been booked with either Swagger going over Orton after hitting with the belt or getting dq'd, or just walking out of the match in frustration that he could't beat Orton, which would lead to count out.
...or this happened. While going over clean would have helped Swagger (and really should have happened given that he is "The Man"), it may have hurt Orton. It also may not have hurt him, since it could have been seen as Swagger getting revenge for last week (that's a bit of a stretch though).

Either of these two finishes would have been better scenarios, because they would have shown Swagger as a more credible champion without hurting Orton.
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Old 04-06-2010, 02:01 PM   #359
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You'd think bringing back Gail Kim would resuscitate the Women's division.

Instead we got Eve getting a shot at the Diva's title.

Sad.
no it's not sad, in fact i'm glad, but I don't get the hat Eve gets everywhere and turn around and act as if Maryse is "teh greatez" ever

And they already tried Gail, and that title match stunk, so let's hope they put on a decent match next week
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Old 04-06-2010, 07:54 PM   #360
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I just want to take this opportunity to say that Swagger/Orton was very entertaining.
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