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Old 05-19-2010, 03:53 PM   #1
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Why Lesnar would beat Fedor (Video proof)


Nuff said. People often argue with me that Lesnar wouldnt beat Fedor and I always say that he is the best in the world and that is why Fedor ducked him by signing with Strikeforce instead of UFC. This video is proof.
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Old 05-19-2010, 03:57 PM   #2
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Thank you for posting that concrete evidence that Brock would beat Fedor. I no longer want to see them fight.
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Yeah, I think Fedor is a bit overrated and I think he essentially ducked the UFC. But that video is gay.
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Old 05-19-2010, 05:29 PM   #4
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Nuff said. People often argue with me that Lesnar wouldnt beat Fedor and I always say that he is the best in the world and that is why Fedor ducked him by signing with Strikeforce instead of UFC. This video is proof.
you and the guy who made the video are both retarded. Fedor didnt duck UFC. He has always had a contract with the promotion M-1 Global.

Did you ever notice how whenever he fought on a card since PRIDE, that every event was that promotion + M1 Global???

UFC does not want to share anything with another promotion. They built their company all on their own and feel they shouldnt have to share anything they do to be able to put fights on with a single fighter.

Had UFC gave in and let the copromotion happen, Fedor would fight in the UFC.

Get your facts strait before you come in here making threads of complete garbage.
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Did I hurt ur feelings? Because obviously u have nothing to say with the evidence in this video because u cant say anything about all the FACTS in it. You just talk about me and other stuff. Nice yo.
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Old 05-19-2010, 05:43 PM   #6
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lol at BillyBonez's trolling.
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Reav, I think you took the bait.
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i guess i did
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Yeah, but now you know BillyBonez is a troll.
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Did I hurt ur feelings? Because obviously u have nothing to say with the evidence in this video because u cant say anything about all the FACTS in it. You just talk about me and other stuff. Nice yo.
What facts are in the video? There is no direct common opponents between the two.

Mir is slow and has no takedown defense. Hes good on the ground yet obviously scared to go to it with noguiera. however he does hit hard, and nog is not that great on the feet. Hes OK but not great.

Lesnar took mir down because he didnt want to trade with him... in the second fight lesnar backed up and covered up when mir attacked him. mir is known for some unbelievable ground game, but look at the guys hes beaten on the ground.

Lesnar is a great big wrestler, but fedor had beaten two other outstanding wrestlers. Mark Coleman and Kevin Randleman each at about the age that lesnar is now... Each man was an ncaa champ and each were on steroids making them all the more dangerous. Oh actually I believe coleman was an Olympian.

Crocop just fell off I couldnt tell you what happened to him really, but even when he went back to japan after the ufc he was still getting fucked up.

Rogers vs fedor... he got rolled attempting a submission and didnt get KOed and the ended up KOing him... yup thats good evidence
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Well just so long as you know he is a troll and isn't really interested in a real argument.
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Who are you fighting and and where?

And Fedor is a beast who steals souls, that is just a fact, like BDC consumes chickens whole.
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lol, former Sam's club employee. Some of the stuff in that video is fucking ridiculous. They said "former Sam's club employee" like three times to try to discredit Rogers and it's retardulous.

You know... Brad Pitt once had a job dressing up like a chicken and handing out coupons.
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i used to think Fedor would have a good chance, but after watching Brett Rogers work him to, and on, the ground, that ended.

If you let Brett Rogers do that to you, Lesnar (who is much bigger, stronger, and more skilled on the ground) would kill him. Lesnar wouldnt let him get back up.
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I'm not sold on Lesnar steamrolling him. I don't think Fedor is an easy fight for anybody. I do think, however, that the fight wouldn't be as one sided towards Fedor as MMA fan boys make it sound. Lesnar would have a hell of a chance IMO. Obviously Fedor has the experiences and more MMA knowledge, but that doesn't ALWAYS guarentee a win.
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...but the maker of the video is obviously a Pride hater. Nog is a legend, and very skilled, Crocop just seems to have lost the desire to fight, but both are VERY good fighters.

Lets not forget Nog fought Mir with a staph infection, and clearly wasnt himself.
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Unfortunately Nog didn't have such an excuse against Valasquez.
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i used to think Fedor would have a good chance, but after watching Brett Rogers work him to, and on, the ground, that ended.

If you let Brett Rogers do that to you, Lesnar (who is much bigger, stronger, and more skilled on the ground) would kill him. Lesnar wouldnt let him get back up.
Brock would also probably get submitted as his striking isn't as good as Rogers so he wouldn't pose as much of a threat for ground and pound, not to mention Fedor ate some big shots, and was rather unphased. I think you are underestimating how good Fedor is on the ground, and from his back. The only reason Rogers was able to get on top was because Fedor attemped a submission, kimura or arm bar, dont remember what.
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I'm not sold on Lesnar steamrolling him. I don't think Fedor is an easy fight for anybody. I do think, however, that the fight wouldn't be as one sided towards Fedor as MMA fan boys make it sound. Lesnar would have a hell of a chance IMO. Obviously Fedor has the experiences and more MMA knowledge, but that doesn't ALWAYS guarentee a win.
I just really have no faith in Fedor's ground game
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You realize Fedors biggest strength is his ground game?
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The guy submitted Naoya Ogawa, a former world judo champion FFS.
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Brock would also probably get submitted as his striking isn't as good as Rogers so he wouldn't pose as much of a threat for ground and pound, not to mention Fedor ate some big shots, and was rather unphased. I think you are underestimating how good Fedor is on the ground, and from his back. The only reason Rogers was able to get on top was because Fedor attemped a submission, kimura or arm bar, dont remember what.
What? No freakin' way dude. Brett Rogers winds up from his strikes, and postures high, which is much more susceptible to catching a submission that Lesnar. Brock generated a shit load of power in a small amount of velocity, he doesnt wind back to strike, so i dont see how his short chops can open him up to many submissions.
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And Mark Coleman, Twice, and Kevin Randleman, all three times by arm bar, all in very quick fashion. They both had world class ground games in their prime.
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The guy submitted Naoya Ogawa, a former world judo champion FFS.
Your point being? Ogawa isnt 300 lbs, 6'2", with a 4.7 40 yrd dash.
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And Mark Coleman, Twice, and Kevin Randleman, all three times by arm bar, all in very quick fashion. They both had world class ground games in their prime.
once again, discussing the ground striking, short strikes are less likely to be caught in a submission, and the Hammer and Randlemen strike in similar fashion to Rogers.

You dont seem to take into account the size and strength of Brock, and how a 300lb body on you can limit your movement and cardio.
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Your point being? Ogawa isnt 300 lbs, 6'2", with a 4.7 40 yrd dash.
And that helps how when someone is bending or arm or knee in the opposite direction? Remember when Lesnar went to the ground with Mir in the first fight, if Lesnar isn't able to get control on the ground, he'll get submitted. He doesn't even like to engage standing up, as he avoided any real exchanges with Mir. You can't always ground and pound your way to victory, ask Tito.
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Your point being? Ogawa isnt 300 lbs, 6'2", with a 4.7 40 yrd dash.
Really my point was you said Fedor had no ground game, and I was proving that he does.
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And that helps how when someone is bending or arm or knee in the opposite direction? Remember when Lesnar went to the ground with Mir in the first fight, if Lesnar isn't able to get control on the ground, he'll get submitted. He doesn't even like to engage standing up, as he avoided any real exchanges with Mir. You can't always ground and pound your way to victory, ask Tito.
Tito also was the champ for 3 freakin' years, so apparently, it can be pretty damn successful. Some people make HOF careers off of it (like Coleman). Even in the freakin' Arona fight, Fedor was taken down by someone who wasnt really a true heavyweight.
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maybe Fedor is THAT freakin' good that he decides he shouldnt use his judo, because he wants to give his opponent a chance?
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Tito also was the champ for 3 freakin' years, so apparently, it can be pretty damn successful. Some people make HOF careers off of it (like Coleman). Even in the freakin' Arona fight, Fedor was taken down by someone who wasnt really a true heavyweight.
That was like 10 years ago, in his 4th fight. Yeah, and Tito hasn't been relevant in years, and probably won't be again, because he doesn't have a stand up game, or even really a submission game, he was one dimentional, and couldn't even beat Forrest Griffen. MMA has evolved since Tito was champ.
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maybe Fedor is THAT freakin' good that he decides he shouldnt use his judo, because he wants to give his opponent a chance?
Fedor is good enough to do that, where as Brock would be nothing if he didn't use his wrestling.
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This debate can go on and on, but until Fedor decides to fight people who arent either passed their prime, undersized, or second rate fighters, he will always be criticized and speculated upon. Sure he had his Pride days, but the HW division in pride wasnt that fantastic, and dont even mention Tim Sylvia who is a joke.
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But Sylvia was good enough to become HW champ
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But Sylvia was good enough to become HW champ
which shows how weak the division was at that time.
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there is no way you can deny the fact that all the elite heavyweights are in the UFC, Fedor had the chance to go to the UFC and compete, prove people wrong, secure his legacy, whatever he was going for.

And chose not to.
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nobody would give a rats ass about Michael Jordan if he competed in the D league. Sure, they are considered 'professional' athletes, but there is no real competition there.
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there is no way you can deny the fact that all the elite heavyweights are in the UFC, Fedor had the chance to go to the UFC and compete, prove people wrong, secure his legacy, whatever he was going for.

And chose not to.
He didn't chose not to, M1 chose not to.
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he IS M1, gimme a break. They'd do whatever Fedor said.
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