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Old 06-19-2010, 06:22 PM   #1
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Besides wrestling, what other industries have "armchair booking" talk?
Politics is the biggest one I can think of. Everyone who watches a politician speak for five minutes will start telling you what the guy did wrong how he's only concerned about selling America spinner belts. What other industries are like this?

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Old 06-19-2010, 06:24 PM   #2
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TV and Movies are probably the biggest.
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I think yes and no for movies and TV. I don't think the audience is really "smartening up" on a wide scale like, but I do think that standards have been raised for the quality of TV especially. I feel like the standards of movies have been raised to the extent that they are visually more impressive at least, but then we get all these remakes so in the end they're only fulfilling in the short term. Nobody is going to look back ten years from now and say "God, I really want to watch the remake of Nightmare on Elm Street."
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Old 06-19-2010, 06:34 PM   #4
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Team sports, mainly football/soccerball and football/american football. Armchair booking for them is a multi-million dollar/pound industries, especially in the US.
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Old 06-19-2010, 06:42 PM   #5
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Definitely baseball.

-Why did he bring that guy in to pitch?
-Why did he leave that guy in to pitch?
-Why isn't this guy playing?
-How did you not pinch-hit for him there?

And it goes on and on.
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Yeah, should have just said sports in general in the original post.
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Old 06-19-2010, 06:51 PM   #7
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Sports, Politics, and almost all entertainment media are certainly true. I don't get what "smartening up" has to do with armchair booking, since one can readily armchair book wrestling without necessarily being "smart" to backstage shenanigans. Movies and TV are rife with exactly what you describe in the first post, Thed, and that's the traditional meaning of armchair "whatever."

So yeah. I'll throw in books (Look around on the internet regarding the end of the Harry Potter series, for example), music (Everyone knows what direction their favorite musician should take) as part of media. Almost any entertainment media will do. Armchair directing, armchair writing, armchair production...

Industry? After the auto industry failed, tons of people started talking about what they should have done. Banks, too.
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Old 06-20-2010, 07:27 PM   #9
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When I was a mark I didn't take the time to armchair book what I wanted to see. I just accepted the WWF's shows. But the smark creates a show based on who will work well together and that isn't usually something the mark takes into account. But for many other purposes, you don't really have to "smarten up" to say "I would have done it this way." Then again, you can say that on several different levels about anything. If you watch football for the first time and say "I would have thrown the ball here," then you may be completely oblivious to the reasons why the QB threw it out of bounds. I guess maybe smartening up isn't the right term, just the one associated with professional wrestling. Level of involvement maybe.
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Old 06-20-2010, 07:39 PM   #10
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I think the armchair booking factor of movies/tv is strongest in certain circles/fanbases. The average moviegoer and tv viewer is either too dense or doesn't care enough to think or say "this is how it should have gone" or "this is what I would have done."
However, the more passionate fans or "fanboys" react differently. Especially when it pertains to a property they feel invested in, and have formed expectations for.
When it comes to franchises like this, everyone has their own opinions on how it should be. Particularly with adaptations and sequels.
Look at the Star Wars prequels. Most of the fans had their individual expecations, or on some level had their own vision written in their head that no doubt influenced how they responded to the actual product.
The same trend is rampant when it comes to comic book movies, it seems.

New movies and properties have the benefit of avoiding this mentality from the masses. A movie like Back to the Future never had to face the jury as to whether they were faithful or worthy of their name and the fans standards.
I think this is even more aparent in TV though, since the more successful a TV show is, the longer it is on the air, and the more opinionated the fanbase will become. See LOST.
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When I was a mark I didn't take the time to armchair book what I wanted to see. I just accepted the WWF's shows. But the smark creates a show based on who will work well together and that isn't usually something the mark takes into account. But for many other purposes, you don't really have to "smarten up" to say "I would have done it this way." Then again, you can say that on several different levels about anything. If you watch football for the first time and say "I would have thrown the ball here," then you may be completely oblivious to the reasons why the QB threw it out of bounds. I guess maybe smartening up isn't the right term, just the one associated with professional wrestling. Level of involvement maybe.
I'm not sure there's any definition by which you can apply the standards to pro wrestling and not to other media. I'm pretty sure if you did, it would involve some serious gerrymandering.

Marks do try and book shows, and to be honest, few smarks take armchair booking tto any level that's better. Most of the time it's same shit, different focus. It still mostly comes down to what I want, rather than what would make a good show. Now, that smarks might like the work of other smarks is more due to common interest than it is an indicator of greater quality. There are internet communities similar to the wrestling community for most media, and that IWC booking tends to play better with the IWC doesn't mean it's not ignorant of the reasons WWE or another company "threw the ball there." Or, for that matter, any different from any other fanfic community. And you can extend it to armchair QBs, coaches, whatever.
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There are armchair GM and coaches for pretty much every sport.
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Just because you can make trades that heavily favor you in NHL 10 doesn't mean you can do it for real
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