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Old 07-19-2010, 06:13 PM   #1
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Jordan on LeBron: "No Way" I Would've Done That
The latest Big Three backlash came Sunday from none other than Michael Jordan, who contributed his weighty opinion to the debate about whether LeBron James should've teamed up with two superstars instead of trying to beat them.

"There's no way, with hindsight, I would've ever called up Larry, called up Magic and said, 'Hey, look, let's get together and play on one team,'" Jordan said after finishing tied for 22nd in the American Century Championship golf tournament in Stateline, Nev. "But that's ... things are different. I can't say that's a bad thing. It's an opportunity these kids have today. In all honesty, I was trying to beat those guys."

Those last few words, said in an interview with NBC Sports, will resonate and hang over James all season, the way Jordan's legacy has hovered over the first seven years of his career. Clearly, I am not alone in believing that James broke ranks in a legacy-damaging way by teaming up with Dwyane Wade and Chris Bosh instead of trying to go through them in the eternal struggle for championships that the great players have always faced.

"Mike and I are in 100 percent agreement on this," Charles Barkley told the Arizona Republic this week. "If you're the two-time defending NBA MVP, you don't leave anywhere. They come to you. That's ridiculous. I like LeBron. He's a great player. But I don't think in the history of sports you can find a two-time defending MVP leaving to go play with other people."

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Old 07-19-2010, 06:37 PM   #2
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How about he racks up 4-5 championships and then goes to be a franchise player? Then there will be room for error because he'll already have all the gold. Smart. Just not popular.
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Old 07-19-2010, 06:43 PM   #4
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Charles Barkley never won a championship btw...
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Old 07-19-2010, 07:15 PM   #5
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You leave Charles Barkley alone.
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Old 07-19-2010, 07:50 PM   #6
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If MJ would have called Bird and Magic up a few years into the league MJ would have been told to fuck off.
 
Old 07-19-2010, 07:53 PM   #7
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MJ must be a Lakers fan.
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What's true is he ran after instead of having others run to him.
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Old 07-21-2010, 12:36 AM   #9
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Jordan didn't choke in the playoffs.
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Jordan had a cast of players.
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Jordan had Pippen and a bunch of guys he made good. It's not like LeBron didnt have help, his team won 65 games 2 years in a row.
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Old 07-21-2010, 01:55 PM   #12
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If LeBron had had a Pippen, we wouldn't be having this conversation.
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Not to mention that you're seriously underselling Dennis Rodman.
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Old 07-21-2010, 02:01 PM   #14
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I dunno, I feel like all these complaints about LeBron are like the antithesis of sportsmanship. They're basically blasting him for wanting to be a teammate instead of a superstar. Why is that a bad thing?

This whole thing is just people trying to rationalize their hatred for LeBron now. They're mad about the ESPN special and so now they're going to criticize everything he does and say it's a negative even when it's not. But that's stupid. If you want to hate him, hate him, but do it for real reasons.
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Also what the fuck is Barkley complaining about?


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Shut the fuck up, buddy.
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I think we give guys like Pippen to much credit, was he a good player yes. But Jordan made him what he was and made everyone on that team better.

If LeBron had a Pippen we probably would still be having this converstion, LeBron is overrated, I don't care who rips me for it he is. He has been over hyped since day one. He isnt a Bird, or Magic or Jordan. He is an amazing athlete, and probably the greatest athlete of this generation, but he choked aginst the Celtics, if he didn't quit, which has been "rumored". I don't think it's what happened, but I can't say I would be surprised.

LeBron couldnt win on his own, we all know it now, he knew it too, so he took his talents and went to south beach to play Robin to Wade's Batman. I don't care if that's how it is, that will be how it's remembered.
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Also what the fuck is Barkley complaining about?


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Shut the fuck up, buddy.
That was more like the Celts getting together, and they didn't win.
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Also, Barkley had been the man on his team for like 10 years before that.
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Lebron going to Miami is not the defintion of sportsmanship. He's going to Miami where he still getting paid millions of dollars to play with his best friends. He left behind a city that reportedly can lose between $20 million- $40 million.

Him going to Miami is a totally selfish move.
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It's Barkley leaving his team to join other superstars to try to win a ring.
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This whole thing is just people trying to rationalize their hatred for LeBron now. They're mad about the ESPN special and so now they're going to criticize everything he does and say it's a negative even when it's not. But that's stupid. If you want to hate him, hate him, but do it for real reasons.
Yeah. This is basically what I'm thinking here.
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Lebron going to Miami is not the defintion of sportsmanship. He's going to Miami where he still getting paid millions of dollars to play with his best friends. He left behind a city that reportedly can lose between $20 million- $40 million.

Him going to Miami is a totally selfish move.
Come on, is that fair? Cleveland's shitty economy isn't his fault, and it's not his responsibility to fix it. And of course he's looking out for himself. Who else should he be looking out for?

Look LeBron's a dick no question, but you guys are reaching for excuses.
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It's Barkley leaving his team to join other superstars to try to win a ring.
Barkley played 12 NBA season before he left and went to Houston though.
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But yeah, Charles should just shut up.
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Barkley played 12 NBA season before he left and went to Houston though.
So how many should LeBron have played before he left? 7 isn't enough? What's the number?
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I'm not saying there is a number, I'm saying Barkley wasn't a top 10 guy when he went to Houston, and he was past his prime.
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I'm not saying there is a number, I'm saying Barkley wasn't a top 10 guy when he went to Houston, and he was past his prime.
And this is more admirable how?
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LeBron is the "best" player in the NBA in his prime, Charles was an aging veteran who had been the man on his team for years, and then went to Houston to play with other aging stars. I didn't say it was more admirable. But if you can't see the difference than there is nothing to say that will.

I'm saying Lebron couldnt win on his own.
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Come on, is that fair? Cleveland's shitty economy isn't his fault, and it's not his responsibility to fix it. And of course he's looking out for himself. Who else should he be looking out for?

Look LeBron's a dick no question, but you guys are reaching for excuses.
He should be looking out for his family and himself, but if he stays in Cleveland he gets an extra 30 million. His family can surly surive on that in Cleveland.

Also it might not be fair, but I think Lebron does actually have a bigger purpose to Cleveland then other superstars to any city. If he really does mean that much to Cleveland then the unselfish thing to do would be to put the City wants and needs before your own.


Also from a basketball prospective winning a title with Cleveland>Miami. That really would have cemented his legacy.
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I mean't in the sense that Jordan won, and Magic. You know, not playing with two other top 10 players. Don't be an asshole, you knew what I meant.
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I mean't in the sense that Jordan won, and Magic. You know, not playing with two other top 10 players. Don't be an asshole, you knew what I meant.
You're being pretty unfair though to the guys that surrounded Jordan and Magic though. They weren't playing on their own like Lebron was playing on his own. Lebron literally had no other dominant presence on his team.

Just in general, I think the whole "hate the guy because he wants to put himself in a position to win" is just fucking asanine to begin with though.
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I mean't in the sense that Jordan won, and Magic. You know, not playing with two other top 10 players. Don't be an asshole, you knew what I meant.
Kareem and Worthy aren't good enough for you?
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Scotty Pippen is a hall of famer in his own right and Dennis Rodman is one of the greatest rebound guys of all time. Your Jordan scenario you're trying to paint out is a little silly.
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This is the thing I think is stupid. Everyone knows Jordan is the biggest story in NBA history. What's the second biggest? The Lakers/Celtics rivalry. Do you hear anyone complaining about how Magic/Kareem/Worthy/Bird/McHale/Parrish should've won on their own? Of course not. But now everyone is consumed by Jordan and being a superstar. There isn't going to be another Jordan, so just fuck off with this nonsense.
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If you compare great playera that never won a ring going to a contender at the end of their career to the reignign MVP jumping ship, you should probably take a step back and rethink.

IF this was 2019 and Lebron was 34 and did this, it is much different.
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You're being pretty unfair though to the guys that surrounded Jordan and Magic though. They weren't playing on their own like Lebron was playing on his own. Lebron literally had no other dominant presence on his team.

Just in general, I think the whole "hate the guy because he wants to put himself in a position to win" is just fucking asanine to begin with though.
I don't hate him cause he wants to win, I hate him cause of how he handled free agency, how he treated a city that loved him, and how he thinks he's bigger than the game of basketball. The guy is an actual narcissus, and has an ego the size of the sun.

I just think he is over rated and over hyped, and he believes what is said about him. I mean why not just have a press conference for your announcement like everyother athlete in the history of sports has done. No wants a special with a hand picked interviewer. That's why I hate Lebron. He could have stayed put, and I would still dislike him.
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This is the thing I think is stupid. Everyone knows Jordan is the biggest story in NBA history. What's the second biggest? The Lakers/Celtics rivalry. Do you hear anyone complaining about how Magic/Kareem/Worthy/Bird/McHale/Parrish should've won on their own? Of course not. But now everyone is consumed by Jordan and being a superstar. There isn't going to be another Jordan, so just fuck off with this nonsense.
Difference is alot of those players were drafted to those teams they played for, they didn't collude before free agency and all decide to get togather.
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If you compare great playera that never won a ring going to a contender at the end of their career to the reignign MVP jumping ship, you should probably take a step back and rethink.

IF this was 2019 and Lebron was 34 and did this, it is much different.
How is it different? Is it because LeBron can still go, but Barkley and Malone waited too long?
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And I dont think people are getting on him for leaving to win, they are pointing out that if he was a great player he would do it himself. Yeah, other greats had good teams. But they didnt tuck tail and run to another guys team to have a chance. Lebron is the MVP. This is completely unprecedented.

Say what you want, but no matter how many rings he wins in Miami, its always going to be a stain on his career.
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