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Old 11-13-2010, 12:50 PM   #1
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I think this PG era is the 80's era of today
All these kids and their parents will soon grow up and look back at 2005 onwards as their golden years of pro wrestling, Cena being the Hulk Hogan of their time

When these kids grow up to be 18, maybe WWE will go into another Attitude type era again

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Old 11-13-2010, 12:51 PM   #2
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I also figured out why RAW's ropes are white now. I don't think they wanna confuse the product with TNA
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All these kids and their parents will soon grow up and look back at 2005 onwards as their golden years of pro wrestling, Cena being the Hulk Hogan of their time

When these kids grow up to be 18, maybe WWE will go into another Attitude type era again

I DUNNO

I'd like to agree but I can't. John Cena still being the poster boy doesn't have the name recognition as Hulk Hogan. As much as WWE wishes they could push him down the mainstream media's throat it's not happening. Hulk Hogan was known in all facets of media during the 80's. I actually recall watching Death of WCW and someone said...If you ask anyone who has never watched professional wrestling who Hulk Hogan was they knew. I don't think people would be able to do that with John Cena.

My son loves him to death, but when we tell people that's the type of shit he wants for Christmas "anything John Cena" we get the same puzzled look and question, "Who is that?"
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Old 11-13-2010, 01:10 PM   #4
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...The reason why some people don't believe John Cena is the Hulk Hogan of this generation is because when Hulk Hogan was "Running Wild", there was no other wrestler who came before him, that you could compare him to, uknow, he was "the original" wrestling megasuperstar. There was no precedent. Once Hulkamania "happened", now u have a "measuring stick" to compare every other wrestler who reaches great popularity with.

If there was someone before Hogan who was a megasuperstar, for sure people back in the 80's would've said "Hogan is great, but he's not like so and so".
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...The reason why some people don't believe John Cena is the Hulk Hogan of this generation is because when Hulk Hogan was "Running Wild", there was no other wrestler who came before him, that you could compare him to, uknow, he was "the original" wrestling megasuperstar. There was no precedent. Once Hulkamania "happened", now u have a "measuring stick" to compare every other wrestler who reaches great popularity with.

If there was someone before Hogan who was a megasuperstar, for sure people back in the 80's would've said "Hogan is great, but he's not like so and so".

So you honestly believe in terms of "superstardom" John Cena and Hulk Hogan compare? While there was no end all be all like we have now with Hogan, there were extremely over, and popular wrestlers. Hogan blew them out of the water though. In the 80's Hogan was EVERYWHERE and EVERYONE knew who he was. The same can not be said about Cena. Wrestling is in a different place now. Cena is the poster boy of the WWE. He is incredibly popular with the children, but he is no where near Hogan in terms of popularity and noteriety. He may be at some point, but the only similarity I see between the two is he has been pushed to the moon.
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Old 11-13-2010, 01:57 PM   #6
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The Attitude Era was NOT Vince's vision. It was others' and he was willing to try anything, and it happened to lead to his most lucrative era. The 80s and today are Vince's vision.
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The Attitude Era was NOT Vince's vision. It was others' and he was willing to try anything, and it happened to lead to his most lucrative era. The 80s and today are Vince's vision.
I agree with your statement...though I will admit for the MOST part this generation isn't as cartoonish and every other wrestler doesn't have a second job as a trashman or dentist...
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Old 11-13-2010, 02:10 PM   #8
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I think it's more like 1995, one great big long 1995.

Only without Kevin Nash, which is a plus.
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Old 11-13-2010, 02:13 PM   #9
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I agree with your statement...though I will admit for the MOST part this generation isn't as cartoonish and every other wrestler doesn't have a second job as a trashman or dentist...
I agree. It's a much more refined version of Vince's vision. It's not necessarily about the cartoony-ness, though. Vince's vision is to make wrestling actual "Entertainment". Seen as legitimate by Hollywood. And that's never going to happen.

Vince doesn't want to run a wrestling company. He thinks he's above the business, and that's why he's always branching out and failing (WBF, XFL, the movies division).
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Old 11-13-2010, 08:23 PM   #11
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I never understood the whole "when today's target audience grows up the product will get edgier again" idea. I mean, it's not as if wrestling fans come in waves, there's always gonna be young kids getting into it, so if Vince wants that to be his audience it will be.

Also, what is the precedent to say that another Attitude Era will come ever again. Is there a cycle that shows wrestling gets edgy then retreats back to being more family friendly, then back to edgy?

I think it might be time to accept that the Attitude Era might have been a one off.
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Old 11-13-2010, 08:29 PM   #12
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I think the fact that the Attitude Era ever happened there will always be that market for the edgier product. I don't think we'll see it in WWE to the extent of the Attitude Era, but someone can come along and create an updated Attitude Era promotion on a national scale. It would need to be different from the Attitude Era obviously (IE: not TNA), but still be edgier. Pretty much an MMA/fight club-type concept combined with the Attitude Era.

I'm not saying that WILL happen, but it CAN happen. But it won't come from WWE unless someone starts beating them so bad that they start to panic. And even then, if that competition isn't an Attitude Era-style product, converting back may not even work.
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The 80s and today are Vince's vision.
The easy money is always something that Vince will go after.
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Old 11-13-2010, 10:25 PM   #14
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I'd like to agree but I can't. John Cena still being the poster boy doesn't have the name recognition as Hulk Hogan. As much as WWE wishes they could push him down the mainstream media's throat it's not happening. Hulk Hogan was known in all facets of media during the 80's. I actually recall watching Death of WCW and someone said...If you ask anyone who has never watched professional wrestling who Hulk Hogan was they knew. I don't think people would be able to do that with John Cena.

My son loves him to death, but when we tell people that's the type of shit he wants for Christmas "anything John Cena" we get the same puzzled look and question, "Who is that?"
That's a rather linear look at things.

The two can run parallel without being identical.
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I think the fact that the Attitude Era ever happened there will always be that market for the edgier product. I don't think we'll see it in WWE to the extent of the Attitude Era, but someone can come along and create an updated Attitude Era promotion on a national scale. It would need to be different from the Attitude Era obviously (IE: not TNA), but still be edgier. Pretty much an MMA/fight club-type concept combined with the Attitude Era.

I'm not saying that WILL happen, but it CAN happen. But it won't come from WWE unless someone starts beating them so bad that they start to panic. And even then, if that competition isn't an Attitude Era-style product, converting back may not even work.
the closest thing I liked that was on par with the Attitude era was Brock Lesnar destroying everyone in sight, Ruthless Aggression. Smackdown! in mid 2002-2003 (I believe it was during Heyman's role as GM). Just great wrestling overall
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Bobby the Brain Heenan's commentary destroyed whatever PG rating you think WWF would have had at the time if they rated it.

Heenan was so funny and sometimes a little bit racist. I remember once he talked about an Asian wrestler. He said that wrestling him is fine, but 45 minutes later you want to wrestle him again.

PS: Parents don't grow up if anything they grow down.
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Bobby the Brain Heenan's commentary destroyed whatever PG rating you think WWF would have had at the time if they rated it.

Heenan was so funny and sometimes a little bit racist. I remember once he talked about an Asian wrestler. He said that wrestling him is fine, but 45 minutes later you want to wrestle him again.

PS: Parents don't grow up if anything they grow down.
And G Rated movies used to feature heavy racism. You're wrong, and what is acceptable is constantly in flux. However, beyond that, look at the impact and widespread appeal. It was a clear analogue, and it's what WWE wants to be now.
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Is that line even racist? It's a play on the fact that oriental food doesn't keep you "full" for long sure, but that's not racism, surely?
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Is that line even racist? It's a play on the fact that oriental food doesn't keep you "full" for long sure, but that's not racism, surely?
I agree, lol, can you be racist against food?
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I agree, lol, can you be racist against food?
Well I'm not keen on French food but I wouldn't say it's a hate crime...
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I think it's more like 1995, one great big long 1995.

Only without Kevin Nash, which is a plus.


Yeah.

But better, because 1995 was horrific.
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1995 was the year of Wrestlecrap. It's a guilty pleasure though. Anytime I see that old pile of shit we call WWF 1995 I can't help but watch.
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