Maybe the WWE lacks faith in Randy Orton?

[Kane Knight]

I dunno. The way he's being force fed to us, is kinda like saying "We think he's awesome, but we're afraid you won't figure out how awesome he is."

The end result is that a ton of people are getting tired of him.

While this isn't a jab at Orton himself (Who I think is a great wrestler with a lot of potential), I wonder if this is really a wise way to go.

Okay, so gimme your thoughts, flames, and opinions.

[HardyStonerfan]

Orton's okay, and your right he's getting annoying real quick. I've gotten to the point that I change the channel when he comes on TV.

Give me either Hardy anyday.

[HeartBreakMan2k]

But (as I've said before) you're a Hardy fan so your opinion on talent doesn't mean anything to me.

Anyway, I agree with KK.

*Tries to ignore the fact that I partially agreed with a Jeff hardy fan.*

[HardyStonerfan]

So what if I'm a Hardy Fan. My opinion are just as good as the next person who isn't. I have thoughts and I know what I like and dislike, and right now, I don't like Randy Ortan. They could put anyone in his postion, (Including my Idol, Jeff Hardy ) At that bit would be BORING!!!!!

Peace,

This life and the next.

[Nark Order]

I like him but if he's gonna be pushed as a god then he needs to perform like a god ALL THE TIME. No more botching one of the easiest finishing moves in the sport of professional wrestling....

[PureHatred]

Orton is coming off his huge Foley feud, and before that the thing most peopel who criticized him said was that he drew off of his oponent's heat. Now that he's in a program with Edge he doesn't seem as interesting. Maybe because Edge hasn't been as interesting since his return. Or maybe Randy just can't draw real heat yet.

Either way, this is just a lull. Sometime before the end of the year he'll turn on Flair or Trips and he'll once again be one of the focus' of the show and we'll get another huge serving of Legend Killer propaganda.

[HardyStonerfan]

Originally Posted by deadlyheaven No more botching one of the easiest finishing moves in the sport of professional wrestling....

Here here, How hard is it to complete that damn thing. Hell, it seriously is the easiest Damn finnishing move in the sport!

[diamondcutter]

He's got pretty good mic skills and okay wrestling ability, but WWE needs to do two things: 1. Stop cramming the guy down fan's throats, and 2. Give him a more devastating, and creative finisher.

[Kazara]

You think in your OPINION Jeff Hardy has talent. There's No OPINION to Talent. Talent is FACTUAL.

[Kazara]

Oh, and the Stunner is MUCH easier.

Kick some in the guy, grab their neck, and sit down.

[laydownlow]

Originally Posted by HardyStonerfan Here here, How hard is it to complete that damn thing. Hell, it seriously is the easiest Damn finnishing move in the sport!

Hogans Legdrop Rock Bottom/People's Elbow Stone Cold Stunner Diamondcutter think those are a bit easier.

[Bricktop]

Originally Posted by Kane Knight I dunno. The way he's being force fed to us, is kinda like saying "We think he's awesome, but we're afraid you won't figure out how awesome he is." The end result is that a ton of people are getting tired of him. While this isn't a jab at Orton himself (Who I think is a great wrestler with a lot of potential), I wonder if this is really a wise way to go.

I agree with you Kane Knight. At this point Orton is being force fed to us. When he first came in, The WWE tried to get him over with the "Hi I'm a fresh-faced, all American, 3rd generation wrestler gimmick." What a shock, no one cared. When Randy messed up his shoulder, they decided to turn him heel. That's when you knew he was going to make it. His RNN promos were pretty decent and you could tell he had great potential as a heel. Then he joined evolution.

In evolution, Randy in a sense has been pushed as little Hunter. He gets a lot of extra air time that he shouldn't be having this early in his career and his feud with Mick Foley occurred to early as well. The feud with Mick Foley should have occurred as he was ready to move out of mid card range into the world title hunt. The only problem is that is hunter's territory. Now Randy is stuck in mid-card hell. A lot of people compare Randy Orton to the rock and this is true. His push and eventual take over of evolution should mirror the rock's career with the nation. But he is being pushed to hard and to fast, a la Brock and the fans know it and are already bored of it. We want to choose who we cheer for, or boo, not let someone else do it for us.

[John la Rock]

Randy Orton is only 23 and has a long career a head of him. He reminds me so much of The Rock from back in his Nation days as Bricktop mentioned. A young star ready to explode into the main event scene. I do think that he is being pushed to quickly though. I don't think that the fans are bored of him but they will be eventually if he continues to receive a mid-card/main-event push. Maybe he can form a tag team with Batista for a couple of years?

He's doing great so far but the last thing we need is him being a 10 time World Champ before the age of 30

[Wondermouse]

Originally Posted by deadlyheaven I like him but if he'd gonna be pushed as a god then he needs to perform like a god ALL THE TIME. No more botching one of the easiest finishing moves in the sport of professional wrestling....

Really, wasn't that all on Jericho? Randy did his job, Jericho needed to fall.

[BigDaddyCool]

No, Orton sucks. He is a decent work, and can be carried through a feud, but all he really has going for him is the look and his last name. That will only take him as far as he has gotten. He needs to really do something to improve his mic work, and become more charismatic.

[Kane Knight]

Originally Posted by deadlyheaven I like him but if he'd gonna be pushed as a god then he needs to perform like a god ALL THE TIME. No more botching one of the easiest finishing moves in the sport of professional wrestling....

I'd say that's a pretty important thing. I appreciate them pushing someone under 40, but the guy's still kinda green for all the hype. It's not as bad as if they pushed Nathan Jones as the world's greatest technical wrestler, but it's still pretty bad to see that happen.

[Kane Knight]

Originally Posted by PureHatred Orton is coming off his huge Foley feud, and before that the thing most peopel who criticized him said was that he drew off of his oponent's heat. Now that he's in a program with Edge he doesn't seem as interesting. Maybe because Edge hasn't been as interesting since his return. Or maybe Randy just can't draw real heat yet. Either way, this is just a lull. Sometime before the end of the year he'll turn on Flair or Trips and he'll once again be one of the focus' of the show and we'll get another huge serving of Legend Killer propaganda.

See, I'd kind of like to see his own ability take over.

I just don't see it happening.

[Kane Knight]

Originally Posted by Kazara You think in your OPINION Jeff Hardy has talent. There's No OPINION to Talent. Talent is FACTUAL.

Talent is subjective.

I still say Jeff has none (as far as wrestling and "poetry" goes), but it IS subjective.

[Kane Knight]

Originally Posted by John la Rock Randy Orton is only 23 and has a long career a head of him. He reminds me so much of The Rock from back in his Nation days as Bricktop mentioned. A young star ready to explode into the main event scene. I do think that he is being pushed to quickly though. I don't think that the fans are bored of him but they will be eventually if he continues to receive a mid-card/main-event push. Maybe he can form a tag team with Batista for a couple of years? He's doing great so far but the last thing we need is him being a 10 time World Champ before the age of 30

That's the thing. He could be the next Rock, but that's not the kind of thing that they've really been able to force people into. The fans have to eat it up, not be told to watch it and like it.

[Nowhere Man]

(patiently waits for the L-C markout)

Anyways, yeah, I think the force-feeding is a mistake. The quick and easy mega-push has never really worked in the long run, especially for heels. Look at the Ultimate Warrior's run as champion. Look at Goldberg after the winning streak ended. Look at all of the up-and-comers from OVW who were shoved to the top in their first year or so, and flopped in the long run (Lesnar, Angle, etc). They were all introduced as hot new rookies who ran roughshod over the established midcarders and took out the big names more quickly than guys who had been there for years. But once their novelty wore off, the fans lost interest, whether it was because they were inexperienced or the crowd was unfamiliar with them, and in the long run they do very little (if anything at all) to affect the ratings. Just about all of those experiments have been failures, and I think that Orton will be a failure too.

And that's not a knock on Orton. The guy's got talent, a great look, and is a good worker with the potential to become a great one. The problem is in the booking and execution. The "Legend Killer" gimmick, while pretty over now, has virtually no real longevity to it; it's not like he can keep beating up old people for the rest of his career. And getting upset wins over well-established stars does very little but piss off the average crowd (read: not the Orton fan-boys). If they really wanted to put a long-term investment in the kid, they should have started him at the level as everyone else, and built him up so he could get over on his own, not just leech off of Evolution and his opponents for heat. As it is, Christian's getting louder heat than Orton is, and he's not even supposed to be near the I-C Champ's level.

Really ? Christian lost to Chris Jericho in a cage match and Orton puts away Edge.... Lets think about that.

Anyway. The whole "Ledgend Killer" gimmick is crap. Orton spiting in Harley Race's face makes me sick. As for the mic skills,he needs to work on it a bit,hes not to bad,but he needs to stop insulting the roster and start challangeing them to fights.

Once he loses the IC tital,I suggest he gos into the Raw Tag Team Division with Dave Batista.

[Goldbird]

waiting for the biggest orton mark to make his speech...

[Azriel]

LC is going to flame you big time.
*sits down with popcorn*

*Grabs some from trnbuckle and seats himself*

LC, where are you to defend the great Orton?

[Shaggy]

I think Orton is some talent that should be shown more. They are just right now trying to make him into a good character that no matter what they do with him the fans will either be against him or with him unlike other people like Rosey who I dont think any one really cares about.

OOOOOOOOOKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK.

First of all to the poster Edge up there, you said that spitting in Race's face made you sick. Well no sh**. I thought it was suppossed to make you jump for joy amd do cartwheels all around the room.

To ME, Orton and Christian are the two hottest wrestlers on Raw right now. I guess I am a little biased with the whole young, arogant, cocky type of gimmick, but whatever. But, you got to give Orton credit where credit is due. That IC title had like no credibility what so ever before he was champion. It was tossed around from wrestler to wrestler and nobody ever defended it. Orton gets the belt and not only does he defend it a lot, but he puts on great matches too. Yeah, before you say, but Michales, RVD, Jerichom and Foley carried him to great matches, well it takes two people to make a match not one. Well, not for JBL.



Orton's promos are getting better and better as the months go on. He's only 23, I mean give him like 5 years before he starts delievering some real good ones. There is one thing though that makes me believe he's going to be huge. You may have noticed over the past few weeks that the fans have started to cheer FOR Orton and have been doing thr "Randy" chants. This hapened with Cena, Rock, DX, where they were heel and the fans loved them. That's kind of a prelude that better days are ahead.

All in all, I don't care what others think about him. He entertains me on Raw and that's really all that matters to me. If he's a flop in the end, I'll admit it, but right now, he's no where near being a flop.

^ Spoken like a true Orton fan.

[Shadow]

Belive this or not but I do enjoy a Randy Orton promo every now and then. I enjoy the legend killer gimmick. Some people say that because of his last name he's reconizable but to me, I've never heard of this kid. He just exploded out of nowhere. And people are right. Give him 5 years...no. Give him 5 months and he'll be on top of the world. He's got talent that'll get him further than the Rock maybe. What I'm really waiting for though is a Orton face turn. That'll prove to me he can do more than just be a cocky bastard like he is. Cause you can't have one without the other. Unless you're Jeff Hardy. That boy can't be a heel if his life depended upon it. Its ok to me though. I like him as is.

[Nark Order]

Originally Posted by Edge Really ? Christian lost to Chris Jericho in a cage match and Orton puts away Edge.... Lets think about that.

That has NOTHING to do with heat, you blatantly flaming idiot... The arguement was that since Christian was built up the right way he's getting more genuine heat than Orton... We were not debating who was getting a bigger push because it's pretty obvious that Orton gets that honor.

[Nark Order]

Originally Posted by laydownlow Hogans Legdrop Rock Bottom/People's Elbow Stone Cold Stunner Diamondcutter think those are a bit easier.

What a great arguement you make with your horrible spelling and even worse grammar... And not to mention that the RKO and the Diamond Cutter are the SAME MOVE.

****ing idiots....

[Azriel]

*hands LC his obligatory mop*

[Kane Knight]

Originally Posted by deadlyheaven What a great arguement you make with your horrible spelling and even worse grammar... And not to mention that the RKO and the Diamond Cutter are the SAME MOVE. ****ing idiots....

What?

The RKO is the same as the Diamond Cutter?

YOU'RE KIDDING!

Next thing you'll say is that Rob Van Dam and Eddie Guerrero use the same finisher.

[big_bluto]

I've mentioned this before.
The WWe is clearly pushing Randy Orton on RAW and John Cena on Smackdown.

These 2 guys came into the company at pretty much the same time, and they've sensible split them up, but are steadily pushing them both towards main event status.
Good.

The differences between them are apparent:
Cena is better on the mic than Orton. (maybe Orton needs a little more mic time)
Orton (IMO) can beat Cena for moves in the ring. (but not by much)
They've both got the physique, and the look.
One's a face, the other's a heel.

I think if Orton was a face on RAW, then this thread wouldn't be taking place.
We would all be waxing lyrical about how cool Orton is, his promo's could be a bit better, and his matches are alright.
Basically whatever we say about Cena now, then we could say about Orton if he was a face on RAW, and vice versa.

Nice steady pushes for both these guys is what is needed, so keep up the good work WWE!

[91]

Personally I don't think it's a lack of faith, but more a rush job in wanting to create a new Rock. Remember him? Smiley happy-go-lucky third generation guy who was quite good in the ring but nobody cared so he turned heel and joined a stable lead by a former world champion and sat back for a while, being cocky and arrogant and holding the IC title, before eventually deciding he wants to take over the group and ousting the old leader out.

OK, so that last bit hasn't happened for Orton yet, but that's essentially what they're doing with him, just like they did with The Rock. Then again, they're taking their time more with Orton than they did with Rocky, perhaps that's because Rock is more awesome, perhaps they're deliberately pacing themselves (which would be nice) or perhaps I could be really predictably sceptical and say Triple H doesn't want to be outdone by Orton any time soon.

Personally, as long as they keep doing what they're doing with Orton and not force a face turn upon him until the fans start dictating as such, then he'll be a big star.

[KillerWolf]

Originally Posted by Shaggy I think Orton is some talent that should be shown more. They are just right now trying to make him into a good character that no matter what they do with him the fans will either be against him or with him unlike other people like Rosey who I dont think any one really cares about.

speaking of Rosey, i thought Three Minute Warning was an alright tag team. so what did they do-fired one guy and put the other one in a 'career-suicide gimmick'.

Originally Posted by big_bluto I've mentioned this before. The WWe is clearly pushing Randy Orton on RAW and John Cena on Smackdown. These 2 guys came into the company at pretty much the same time, and they've sensible split them up, but are steadily pushing them both towards main event status. Good. The differences between them are apparent: Cena is better on the mic than Orton. (maybe Orton needs a little more mic time) Orton (IMO) can beat Cena for moves in the ring. (but not by much) They've both got the physique, and the look. One's a face, the other's a heel. I think if Orton was a face on RAW, then this thread wouldn't be taking place. We would all be waxing lyrical about how cool Orton is, his promo's could be a bit better, and his matches are alright. Basically whatever we say about Cena now, then we could say about Orton if he was a face on RAW, and vice versa. Nice steady pushes for both these guys is what is needed, so keep up the good work WWE!

When these two finally meet, I think we're going to see a role reversal with Orton as the babyface and Cena as the heel.

[big_bluto]

Originally Posted by Loose Cannon When these two finally meet, I think we're going to see a role reversal with Orton as the babyface and Cena as the heel.

When these 2 finally meet, it will be the main event in WM22 or 23!
And yes, it will be the other way around.
Rock v Austin v2!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[KillerWolf]

[ That IC title had like no credibility what so ever before he was champion. It was tossed around from wrestler to wrestler and nobody ever defended it. Orton gets the belt and not only does he defend it a lot, but he puts on great matches too.





[/QUOTE]
how long has Orton been IC champ-5 months? and how many times has he defended it-twice? Orton has been delivering great matches lately, but you're living in a f.ucking dreamworld if you consider him to be a 'fighting champion'

[KillerWolf]

and also i dont think he needs five years to be hot on the mic.

[BigDaddyCool]

Cena is 5 times better than Orton. Cena isn't riding on his families coattails to get into wrestling, and he has taken a gimmick that hasn't worked for anyone and mad it work for him. All the other hip-hop gimmicks have been the way to wrestle crap. Men on a Mission, Rikishi Fatu's first stint, Road Dogg and K-Kwik(Crush, whatever), and Grand Master Sexay & Scotty Two Hotty just to name a few have all sucked. Cena has over come some huge obstiacals while Orton has been paired with Ric Flair and HHH, two of the biggest names, and has had fueds with some of the biggest names, and still only draws just mid-carder, I'm suppose to boo him so I am going to, heat.

So it is completely unfair to judge Orton and Cena. Orton has been manufactured and shoved down our throats while Cena made himself and is arguable the biggest (or second biggest) draw of Smackdown (he is defenatly the Rob Van Dam of Smackdown........well the way RVD was to ECW, not how he is in Smackdown, because RVD would then be the RVD or Smackdown, you know what I mean).