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Old 02-26-2011, 08:52 PM   #81
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I loved Mistico's matches in Mexico and in Japan. He is totally badass. I also liked how he kept his design, albeit different colors and tweakage.

I agree with Rated R. I would also love to see that "passing of the torch" between Rey Mysterio, Jr. and Mistico, if Rey does retire.
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Old 02-26-2011, 08:56 PM   #82
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That's your least pretentious post yet, DL. Although I think we all get that Mistico has worked in Mexico.
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Old 02-26-2011, 08:59 PM   #83
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That's your least pretentious post yet, DL. Although I think we all get that Mistico has worked in Mexico.
I also added Japan, due to the fact he wrestled in NJPW, due to their talent exchange program (a la the NJPW-WCW relationship).
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I agree with almost everything you say, however, this, I don't agree with. He is arguably the most popular star in Mexico. PPV buys from this country could double. If this is the case (See: Khali) he isn't going to be going anywhere.
Isn't the WWE doing really well in Mexico, or something? I'm reading now that SmackDown! gets something like an 8.3, whereas RAW got an 8.5. So is that stuff about SmackDown! having the larger Hispanic audience really true? If not, then the WWE could easily put Sin Cara on RAW, and have Rey Mysterio and Alberto Del Rio on SmackDown!, and really try to boost both shows.
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Old 02-26-2011, 11:11 PM   #85
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Last I saw the WWE ratings almost doubled the big promotions in Mexico but I don't think there has ever been a report that showed how many ppv buys come from Mexico itself.

It can't be anything huge or else it would have been in one of those WWE "Did You Know" stats they show on tv by now.
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I never heard of him, is he like another Rey or what?
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Only better.

Mistico is...
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Cool, hopefully they use him properly.
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If not, then the WWE could easily put Sin Cara on RAW, and have Rey Mysterio and Alberto Del Rio on SmackDown!, and really try to boost both shows.
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I still maintain that it will not be that easy for him to "get over" with fans, much less take over when Rey Mysterio is gone.

I've never seen him wrestle, so I don't know about his ability, but fans don't usually see the "Mexican Luchador" as a Main Eventer.
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It's like seeing a fresh, rejuvenated Mysterio in his prime!! I am very impressed! He doesn't just look like a dirty spot money to me although that made me smile he appears to bring much more than that to the table unlike most wrestlers I see on Youtube.

To me Mistico looks like he's a big fish that's become too large for the Mexican wrestling pond he appears to be very talented, gives his all in every match (that I have seen) and comes across as being very ambitious.

His dream like many others in Mexico now is to make it to the WWE how times have changed. Guerrero and Mysterio have paved the way for wrestlers like Mistico and it's good to see.

I think the guy will do well he looks like a great performer, I really think he'll be a main eventer within 2-3 months. This guy is going to get the Del Rio treatment mark my words this is going to be a big deal not another Ultimo Dragon that's for sure. Although hey I will give Ultimo Dragon credit he could go in the ring but they never treat him like a big deal or main eventer in my eyes.

I really can't wait to see this guy in high profile one on one matches with the likes of Del Rio, Mysterio, Swagger, Punk, Danielson and Edge. I really think those wrestlers will bring the best out of Mistico.

Can Mistico work with the big guys such as Taker, Kane and Big Show? That remains to be seen. Mysterio has good matches with Taker and Kane but they are never jaw droppingly good they are usually just above average compared to Mysterios usual opponents.

Can't wait to see the guy go at an event like Wrestlemania giving his absolute best. I think he will become a one man highlight reel if they let him go.

Good luck to him.
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That name change, though...

I can't stop thinking of the theme of "Atop The 4th Wall"

"... Sin Caraaaaa! :whistle: This. Comic. Sucks! SIN CAAARRRAAAA!"
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I've never seen him wrestle, so I don't know about his ability, but fans don't usually see the "Mexican Luchador" as a Main Eventer.
Yes, because WWE has employed so many luchadors over the years.

There's been one luchador pushed to the main event: Mysterio. He got over with fans.

WWE caters to younger kids who like bright colours and cool moves. He'll get over fine if given the opportunity. And given the fed's treatment of him before he's even debuted, I'm guessing he'll be pushed to at least IC title level right away. I don't think we're looking at another Essa Rios here. Yet.
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I still maintain that it will not be that easy for him to "get over" with fans, much less take over when Rey Mysterio is gone.

I've never seen him wrestle, so I don't know about his ability, but fans don't usually see the "Mexican Luchador" as a Main Eventer.
The thing is, now more so than ever, with the WWE marketing to little kids, they have the power of suggestion. They can tell the WWE audience what they like and what they want to see. If the WWE wants Sin Cara to succeed, he will.

More so than ever, I am kind of hoping that he shows up on RAW. He'd stand out more there, as opposed to seeming like "Rey Mysterio II" on SmackDown!. On the other brand, it sets up Sin Cara as almost a parallel to Rey, which can fuel "dream match" ideas in people's heads. Plus, there is no shortage of people for Sin Cara to defeat en route to building him up. Matches with Primo, Zack Ryder and Tyson Kidd (probably in that order), would not only deliver, but could get Sin Cara' offense over quite nicely. A match against Regal may not be as pretty, but would certainly be interesting, and would test the waters for how well Cara can work different styles in the WWE.

And to be honest, if he's going to feud with a main eventer out the gate, why not have it be CM Punk? He's the smallest of the WWE's top-level heels, and he can work an amazing match and do the talking for two men in a feud. Del Rio vs. Sin Cara is obviously going to happen, but why blow that out the gate? Seeing Cara build up victories against yours David Otungas, Mason Ryans and Michael McGillicuttys could also be impressive, too. Teaming with Randy Orton would instantly get him over, as well. Not as a permanent team, of course -- just in one of those weird RAW duo matches to combine storylines.

During that feud, you can also do Daniel Bryan vs. Sin Cara for the US Title, which ends when the Nexus attacks both men. That can set-up a big PPV tag team match between Orton, Bryan, Cara and someone else against CM Punk and his Nexus. In that environment, I think Cara would really shine.

I could see Dolph Ziggler & Vickie Guerrero showing up on RAW at any moment, too, and Sin Cara vs. Dolph Ziggler would be insanely fun.

Also, assuming they do the draft again (and why wouldn't they?), I'm not entirely unconvinced that Alberto Del Rio won't end up on RAW. The WWE treats him as a pretty big deal, and pretty big deals in the WWE usually go to RAW sooner rather than later.
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His finisher, La Mistica, is a Headscissors takedown-turned-single arm DDT-turned-Wakigatame
I did one of those the other day on accident.
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Sin Cara (aka Mistico) will be brought right up to the main roster without developmental time. CMLL said that they are retaining the rights and will be eventually putting someone else under the mask as Mistico.
I figured CMLL had the rights to the name. One of the Mexican RAW’s announcers posted the following on Twitter: “Sin Cara (ex Mistico) will be on TV starting next week, and RAW and SmackDown will fight for him!”

This could be an interesting angle for Sin Cara’s debut, with the anonymous RAW General Manager and Theodore Long trying to woo him.
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:ding ding:

Cole: "Can I have your attention? I have just recieved an e-mail from the anonymous RAW General Manager."

:Cole opens laptop:

Cole: "And I quote..."

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Cole: "I think you're a very... handsome... man? Ive sent flowers and candy to your hotel room?? I want to peel your mask back and..." OKAY, I'M NOT READING THIS!!!"

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That's your least pretentious post yet, DL. Although I think we all get that Mistico has worked in Mexico.
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I also added Japan, due to the fact he wrestled in NJPW, due to their talent exchange program (a la the NJPW-WCW relationship).
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Only better.

Mistico is...
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Extensive experience overseas (in China and in Japan)
His finisher, La Mistica, is a Headscissors takedown-turned-single arm DDT-turned-Wakigatame
Undefeated in wager matches.
Spoke too soon there Noid, eh?
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Old 03-01-2011, 09:11 AM   #102
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Anyone care to post a full match of Mistico/Cin Cara's? That YouTube video didn't impress me all that much (aside from the "land on feet hurricanrana" of course).
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I'm getting a bit excited about it now. I love the fact that they're letting him keep the headscissors into an armbar as a finisher.
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WWE seems like they are gonna make a big deal about Sin Cara so I think it would be a good idea to have his debut match at WrestleMania. Evan Bourne would be a great opponent. I think it would make WrestleMania a little bit more special. What do you think?
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Old 03-11-2011, 09:35 PM   #109
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I think this: http://www.tpww.net/forums/showthread.php?t=111248
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Old 03-12-2011, 09:17 AM   #110
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It didn't showcase 'wrestling' It showcased some pretty impressive 'spot monkeyishness'
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I get the feeling that for the first few of his matches, he'll be doing stuff like he did in the promo. Mostly just to get the people into him and to build a fanbase for him with the targeted WWE audience. (Kids)

After that, we won't see any of that stuff.
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Old 03-12-2011, 09:58 AM   #112
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It didn't showcase 'wrestling' It showcased some pretty impressive 'spot monkeyishness'
You're ignorant.
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From what ive heard CMLL plans on using the Mistico name still by just putting someone else under the mask like thas been done for Tiger Mask ,Black Tiger ect.That probally explains the name change and the tweeking of the mask.

Also in Mexico Mistico is a a huge deal. Even has his own energy drink.
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It didn't showcase 'wrestling' It showcased some pretty impressive 'spot monkeyishness'
Because doing anything more stylish or complicated than a body slam or a suplex is being a spot monkey.
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I have seen Mystico wrestle many times over the years while I was living in Cancun... he was a pretty good face, a BADASS heel in recent years and goes over well with the fans there... Of course that is in Mexico... He is def a carbon copy of Rey Jr. Although not as good as WCW Rey... CMLL Owns the rights to his Mystico name but it's not like WWE can't buy that from them..
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Yeah I posted in that other forum too... But in case you missed it...

I have seen Mystico wrestle many times over the years while I was living in Cancun... he was a pretty good face, a BADASS heel in recent years and goes over well with the fans there... Of course that is in Mexico... He is def a carbon copy of Rey Jr. Although not as good as WCW Rey... CMLL Owns the rights to his Mystico name but it's not like WWE can't buy that from them..
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Because doing anything more stylish or complicated than a body slam or a suplex is being a spot monkey.
No, because in that video he hit a few high spots and that is it. I'm not saying he's a bad wrestler or anything, I'm merely making the point that in that video he dosen't do any actual wrestling.

We can't see from that how he works a match, if he can sell, tell a story, any sort of 'chain' wrestling.

You are an utter moron, don't try and tell me what I think. now piss off.
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No, because in that video he hit a few high spots and that is it. I'm not saying he's a bad wrestler or anything, I'm merely making the point that in that video he dosen't do any actual wrestling.

We can't see from that how he works a match, if he can sell, tell a story, any sort of 'chain' wrestling.

You are an utter moron, don't try and tell me what I think. now piss off.
For fuck's sake, don't split hairs. Did you think I was saying he had an actual full match in his promo or what? Of course not. It's a 2 minute sizzler, of course they're gonna highlight the flashy stuff. Doesn't automatically make him a spot monkey.

If you wanna split hairs, then fucking next to nothing that happens in pro wrestling is actual wrestling, and that includes selling and telling a story.
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What are you on about Blitz? It was you who started 'splitting hairs' by not reading my original post properly and assumed I was putting the guy down. I merely pointed out that you can't tell he's a good worker from the video that was posted.

Thats a fact that still holds true. So Fuck you very much.
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