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Old 03-25-2011, 10:59 AM   #1241
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ouch....talk about a cold streak at close to the worst possible time.

Habs are a better team than this. This loss is either going to motivate them...or kill whatever is left of their spirit.
I hope it kills it cause even though the B's blew them out last night, I still don't want them to face the Habs in the first round of the playoffs.
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I hope it kills it cause even though the B's blew them out last night, I still don't want them to face the Habs in the first round of the playoffs.
Even though a lot of my all time favorite players were Bruins. I'd cheer for the Habs in that series. Been a long time since Canada has won a cup...bet some posters on here were not even born yet...Canucks are the best chance in a long time I think, but still, it looks like Montreal is going to be the only other Canadian team.
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Was looking at old stats. This is the end of the 1992-93 season.

Player Team GP G A PTS
Mario Lemieux Pittsburgh 60 69 91 160
Pat LaFontaine Buffalo 84 53 95 148
Adam Oates Boston 84 45 97 142
Steve Yzerman Detroit 84 58 79 137
Teemu Selanne Winnipeg 84 76 56 132
Pierre Turgeon NY Islandrs 83 58 74 132
Alexa Mogilny Buffalo 77 76 51 127
Doug Gilmour Toronto 83 32 95 127
L Robitaille Los Angeles 84 63 62 125
M Recchi Philadelphia 84 53 70 123


Insane numbers. Recchi finishing 10th overall has like 18 points more than D Sedin. Sedin is going to get a few more points obviously, but no where near Lemieux's 160 points...in 60 games....Whatever happened to that hockey?
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Was looking at old stats. This is the end of the 1992-93 season.

Player Team GP G A PTS
Mario Lemieux Pittsburgh 60 69 91 160
Pat LaFontaine Buffalo 84 53 95 148
Adam Oates Boston 84 45 97 142
Steve Yzerman Detroit 84 58 79 137
Teemu Selanne Winnipeg 84 76 56 132
Pierre Turgeon NY Islandrs 83 58 74 132
Alexa Mogilny Buffalo 77 76 51 127
Doug Gilmour Toronto 83 32 95 127
L Robitaille Los Angeles 84 63 62 125
M Recchi Philadelphia 84 53 70 123


Insane numbers. Recchi finishing 10th overall has like 18 points more than D Sedin. Sedin is going to get a few more points obviously, but no where near Lemieux's 160 points...in 60 games....Whatever happened to that hockey?

Let's not forget that's the year Lemieux got cancer. Hence why he only played 60 games, when he came back he was 12 points behind Lafontaine, and look how he finished fucking 12 points ahead. Fact is if Lenieux hadn't had the health problems he had, he'd be the all time scoring leader, and we'd be talking about wondering if anyone can ever surpass Lemieux's records. The man is the single most skilled NHL player in history

You want to talk about heart: that year Lemeiux underwent radiation therapy for his cancer, on the last day of his radiation treatment he got his lat treatment, hopped a plane to Philadelphia and scored a goal and recorded an assist. It was such an epic feat even the world's biggest assholes (Flyers fan) gave him a standing ovation after the game. That's right the same city that cheers when an opposing team's player gets hurt, throws batteries at players and has even booed Santa Clause fucking cheered their Cross-state arch rival's return to the ice.
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Gretzky > Lemieux. You two are delusional.
 
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Oh God, a Leafs fan called me delusional...where's that cyanide pill...
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What exactly have the Canucks ever won? Just curious.
 
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Head to head battle...Mario>Wayne
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Yeah, thanks for dodging the question. And who the hell plays one on one hockey. That's just stupid. Gretzky has more goal, assists, points, awards and cups.
 
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What exactly have the Canucks ever won? Just curious.
I love when fans use that tired old excuse.

The Leafs last won a cup before man even went to the moon. There were 6 teams in the NHL then. Its like the CFL now...pretty much everyone takes turns. It means nothing.

For the last 20 years its been a lot more enjoyable to be a Canucks fan then Leafs fan.
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Yeah, thanks for dodging the question. And who the hell plays one on one hockey. That's just stupid. Gretzky has more goal, assists, points, awards and cups.
Im not saying 1-1 im saying you put those 2 head to head, say even the exact same all time teams, the only difference is at center...one is mario, one is wayne.

Mario's team wins.
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Exactly. The Canucks have won nothing. Talk shit when they actually accomplish something other than choking against the Hawks like they do every year.
 
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The Clarence S. Campbell Bowl twice (Means they've been to the finals twice), both post 67, so what have the Leafs won since 67, oh yeah fuck nothing.
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Yeah, thanks for dodging the question. And who the hell plays one on one hockey. That's just stupid. Gretzky has more goal, assists, points, awards and cups.
Hence why I conceded greater career but stats aren't the be all end all to the discussion.

Greater career does not mean greater skill
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Im not saying 1-1 im saying you put those 2 head to head, say even the exact same all time teams, the only difference is at center...one is mario, one is wayne.

Mario's team wins.
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The Habs are the only team to win anything since neon clothing and men with perms or mullets were in style.

Even then, thats 16-17 years ago.

Canucks are the best chance, and will be for the next few years.
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Exactly. The Canucks have won nothing. Talk shit when they actually accomplish something other than choking against the Hawks like they do every year.
A winning team before you were born doesn't entitle you to talk any shit either.

How am I talking shit anyway? Your team has been one of the worst teams over the last decade.

That's stating a fact, not shit talking.
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The Habs are the only team to win anything since neon clothing and men with perms or mullets were in style.

Even then, thats 16-17 years ago.

Canucks are the best chance, and will be for the next few years.
Once my Pens are out (IE without Crosby out in the first in 5) Canucks have my total support. Got to root for my new practically home town team (gonna be living in Surrey in a week)

Total random note fuck am I lucky I've seen my team win the cup 3 times in my life.
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I love Gertner talking shit, I really do AND as a fan of a team who has not made the playoffs in 4, soon to be 5, years. Of all teams he IS talking shit about its the team who is in 1st, with a guarenteed playoff birth, last years Hart and Ross trophy winners and likely this years as well. A 2nd (YEAH 2ND) line center whose only reason he doesnt have a Selke trophy is because of a guy named Datsyuk and was in Hart trophy discussions HIMSELF.

But yeah, talk shit about another team when yours features a waiverwire pickup, a Montreal Canadiens castoff (actually two if you didnt trade him to Anaheim) a "C" on a player to make him happy and who the entire Toronto fanbase assumed would be the equivilant of Bobby Orr.

You have a teams backup goalie making 6 million a year, a Free agent goalie signing whose heart is giving him trouble and a rookie goalie who is playing good left over from the Ferguson years.

If Toronto would have been the least bit competent, then perhaps they wouldnt have had to sign Gustavsson or Giguere and could have had Reimer play instead.

Their scouting staff has been utter shit, since well forever. This is the team that let, Bobby Orr, Wayne Gretzky and Martin Brodeur slip through their fingertips.

Take into account the Canucks have been in the league since 1970 and you are saying what have they done? Well, it would be nice if Toronto had done something either.

And lastly, LASTLY and Im sure you will love this.

Sundin left to go to a cup contender, where did he leave and where did he go?
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Once my Pens are out (IE without Crosby out in the first in 5) Canucks have my total support. Got to root for my new practically home town team (gonna be living in Surrey in a week)

Total random note fuck am I lucky I've seen my team win the cup 3 times in my life.
Considering other fans have lived and died without seeing there team win yeah...lucky as fuck for sure.

Careful in Surrey, especially around Surrey Central skytrain station...police usually have a car just sitting there watching, but once you get out of that general hub/community center towards king george/...its sketchy.
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And lastly, LASTLY and Im sure you will love this.

Sundin left to go to a cup contender, where did he leave and where did he go?
I actually consider the Sundin signing to be a failure. Not Messier bad, but bad enough that 10 mill would have been better spent on 1 good player and some depth players.
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Yeah, I remember the 93 playoffs but only just barely. I was 7 years old.

After Habs are put out, I normally will root for any Canadian team that is left sans Leafs.
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The only team I would cheer for the Leafs over is the Rangers.

Pretty sad as I consider myself a proud Canadian. It's not the team that I want to lose...it's seeing the cocky fans suffer.
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Oh. No doubt it was a failure but the fact the best player on the Leafs, the captain and the heart and soul...left to go to Vancouver.

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Pretty sad as I consider myself a proud Canadian. It's not the team that I want to lose...it's seeing the cocky fans suffer.
What are Rangers fans cocky about? Gaborik?
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I love Gertner talking shit, I really do AND as a fan of a team who has not made the playoffs in 4, soon to be 5, years. Of all teams he IS talking shit about its the team who is in 1st, with a guarenteed playoff birth, last years Hart and Ross trophy winners and likely this years as well. A 2nd (YEAH 2ND) line center whose only reason he doesnt have a Selke trophy is because of a guy named Datsyuk and was in Hart trophy discussions HIMSELF.

But yeah, talk shit about another team when yours features a waiverwire pickup, a Montreal Canadiens castoff (actually two if you didnt trade him to Anaheim) a "C" on a player to make him happy and who the entire Toronto fanbase assumed would be the equivilant of Bobby Orr.

You have a teams backup goalie making 6 million a year, a Free agent goalie signing whose heart is giving him trouble and a rookie goalie who is playing good left over from the Ferguson years.

If Toronto would have been the least bit competent, then perhaps they wouldnt have had to sign Gustavsson or Giguere and could have had Reimer play instead.

Their scouting staff has been utter shit, since well forever. This is the team that let, Bobby Orr, Wayne Gretzky and Martin Brodeur slip through their fingertips.

Take into account the Canucks have been in the league since 1970 and you are saying what have they done? Well, it would be nice if Toronto had done something either.

And lastly, LASTLY and Im sure you will love this.

Sundin left to go to a cup contender, where did he leave and where did he go?
The Leas traded away Jason Blake whose contract was a MAJOR headache for Giguere. Giguere replaced Toskala. Giggy's contract is up this year. I don't consider that a bad move at all.

NOBODY anticipated the rise of Reimer, considering he was in the ECHL not that long ago.

Phaneuf has been tremendous since the trade of Kaberle and being finally paired with a stay at home defenceman in Keith Aulie.

The Leafs sent a 2nd round pick for a player who has more goals than any player on the Habs.

Who is this "waiver wire pick up" you speak of? MacArthur was a free agent signing.

Honestly, unless your team wins the CUP, making the finals means nothing to me. I won't be satisfied until the Leafs win the cup. Finishing 2nd is worthless.

And Sundin left as a free agent. Players leave all the time. Too bad that shithead and the rest of the Muskoka 5 wouldn't waive their damn no trade clauses.

The Leafs are going to have I believe 26 million to spend this off -season. Reimer will probably get 1.4-1.8 million, three years. MacArthur and Schenn are both free agents and I hope Clarke comes back. The Leafs have 5 of their 6 defencemen set for next year and really just need a puck moving d man (Aulie, Gunnerson, Schenn, Phaneuf and ugh Komisarek). Hopefully they get a top 6 center so Bozak isn't playing out of position anymore. A third line of Armstrong-Bozak-either Crabb or free agent isn't bad.
Brown-Brent who has been a nice surprise and Orr is a good forechecking 4th line. They really just need a center. Kadri is not the answer and should never take another faceoff again. They are in a FAR better position than 2 years ago.
 
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What are Rangers fans cocky about? Gaborik?
I'm still pissed about 94

The best part about Sundin is his refusal to waive his no trade clause....Leafs got bupkiss for him. I was hoping Kaberle did the same...oh well.
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What are Rangers fans cocky about? Gaborik?
I consider Flyers fans worse than Rangers fans.
 
Old 03-25-2011, 06:35 PM   #1272
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I'm still pissed about 94

The best part about Sundin is his refusal to waive his no trade clause....Leafs got bupkiss for him. I was hoping Kaberle did the same...oh well.
Thank God Burke was patient. He got a pretty good return. Hopefully Boston re-signs him or makes the finals as it kicks in the conditional 2nd rounder.
 
Old 03-25-2011, 06:36 PM   #1273
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I don't even hate the Canucks. I picked them at the start of the year to meet the Bruins in the finals.
 
Old 03-25-2011, 06:47 PM   #1274
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The Leas traded away Jason Blake whose contract was a MAJOR headache for Giguere. Giguere replaced Toskala. Giggy's contract is up this year. I don't consider that a bad move at all.

NOBODY anticipated the rise of Reimer, considering he was in the ECHL not that long ago.

Phaneuf has been tremendous since the trade of Kaberle and being finally paired with a stay at home defenceman in Keith Aulie.

The Leafs sent a 2nd round pick for a player who has more goals than any player on the Habs.

Who is this "waiver wire pick up" you speak of? MacArthur was a free agent signing.

Honestly, unless your team wins the CUP, making the finals means nothing to me. I won't be satisfied until the Leafs win the cup. Finishing 2nd is worthless.

And Sundin left as a free agent. Players leave all the time. Too bad that shithead and the rest of the Muskoka 5 wouldn't waive their damn no trade clauses.

The Leafs are going to have I believe 26 million to spend this off -season. Reimer will probably get 1.4-1.8 million, three years. MacArthur and Schenn are both free agents and I hope Clarke comes back. The Leafs have 5 of their 6 defencemen set for next year and really just need a puck moving d man (Aulie, Gunnerson, Schenn, Phaneuf and ugh Komisarek). Hopefully they get a top 6 center so Bozak isn't playing out of position anymore. A third line of Armstrong-Bozak-either Crabb or free agent isn't bad.
Brown-Brent who has been a nice surprise and Orr is a good forechecking 4th line. They really just need a center. Kadri is not the answer and should never take another faceoff again. They are in a FAR better position than 2 years ago.
Brad Richards and Phil Kessel could be scary.

Reimer will get extended 1 or 2 years at less than 2 mill to see if he's the real deal or a 1 hit wonder. If he turns out to be what he's showing, he signs the big money contract 2 years from now. You're right about no one predicting the rise of Reimer...including other teams. This off season, teams will pay more attention to him, watch tapes, learn his move better. There will be a more complete book on him. How he responds is unknown, but that will be the difference between at least competing for a playoff spot...or a lottery pick.

MaCarthur is a RFA isnt he? Burke won't let him walk unless he gets a Dustin Penner type offer...which he wont.

I'm not going to say Kadri is a bust...but he's not the future.

Maybe a playoff team next year(NJ for sure will also step it up) but still a long way to go before the Leafs can be considered a contender.
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Thank God Burke was patient. He got a pretty good return. Hopefully Boston re-signs him or makes the finals as it kicks in the conditional 2nd rounder.
I don't know how Burke does it...Maybe Chiarelli felt sorry for him, because he didn't need to give up what he did.
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Old 03-25-2011, 06:53 PM   #1276
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MacArthur I believe is an RFA, but then again MacArthur was last year and he ended up here.

I truly believe the Leafs would be better off dealing Kadri for an established player. I don't see how Kadri fits here

Let's say for arguement sake the Lefs bring back MacArthur. They'd be foolish to spilt his line up

So you have Kulemin-Grabovski-MacArthur

Then you have Lupul-Whoever the Leafs get-Kessel

Kadri is not suitable in a third line role. He's not strong enough in his own end, and I think Bozak would excel there. He's played very well on a pk unit with Armstrong

So the Leafs third line would be Armstrong-Bozak- with an open spot, unless they plan on putting Joey Crabb there who has played ok, but I could see that spot being taken by a bottom 6 winger with size.

The 4th line is pretty much set with Brown-Brent and Orr

I don't see a spot for Kadri on this team.
 
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Even though a lot of my all time favorite players were Bruins. I'd cheer for the Habs in that series. Been a long time since Canada has won a cup...bet some posters on here were not even born yet...Canucks are the best chance in a long time I think, but still, it looks like Montreal is going to be the only other Canadian team.
What? Is 17 years really that long? I guess it has been a 'long' time by the standards they had set prior but when US teams outnumber Canadian ones like 4 to 1 they're bound to win more. And you have to take into account how great the Red Wings have been over the past 20 years so that basically negates the ability for the western Canadian teams' ability to win.

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This whole Gretzky/Lemieux discussion is absurd. 99 is retired league wide for a reason; the Hockey Hall of Fame stopped waiving the waiting period (outside of humanitarian reasons) after Gretzky's retirement. Wayne Gretzky is the greatest hockey player ever. The only other player who's even in the discussion is Bobby Orr and even then it's generally B's fans who throw his name out there.
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Burke does have his magical moments...

Getting the draft pick that turned into H Sedin for Brian McCabe

Getting Pronger for Lupul and picks(not sure who those picks turned into though

Phanuef and Aulie for spare change and an over achieving White.
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There's people who argue that Orr isn't even the best defenceman of all time. Those people are generally Wings fans who think Lidstrom is better. Lidstrom is in the discussion. Top 3 in my book behind Orr and Doug Harvey and slightly ahead of Dennis Potvin.
 
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What? Is 17 years really that long? I guess it has been a 'long' time by the standards they had set prior but when US teams outnumber Canadian ones like 4 to 1 they're bound to win more. And you have to take into account how great the Red Wings have been over the past 20 years so that basically negates the ability for the western Canadian teams' ability to win.

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17 years is a long time for Canada, not just the Habs.
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