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Old 08-23-2012, 03:35 PM   #41
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Chael Sonnen is a full on babyface now for sure
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Jones said he's not fighting chael on 8 days notice. I did. .... Just sayin
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Wikpedia is going nuts right now saying Jones will face Silva, Fedor, Putin, Dana White, Sub-Zero.
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Dana is just mad he lost some money. The kid fought 4 times a year for Dana in 2011. more than any fighter I can remember, wants to delay a fight and Dana tries to rip him apart.
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Dana is just mad he lost some money. The kid fought 4 times a year for Dana in 2011. more than any fighter I can remember, wants to delay a fight and Dana tries to rip him apart.

they cancelled the entire event. That's paychecks that now won't go to multiple multiple multiple people that need them to live on and not just fighters. You think Shane Roller on the Facebook prelims or one of the camera guys can afford to have this fight cancelled?
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Seriously, now they're 17-19 other people who won't get paid thank to Jones.
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and Dana didn't try to do anything. He succeeded in tearing him to shreds.
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and it's a bit naive also for the sentiment that Dana shouldn't be pissed off about their own money loss, when you're president of a company that has sunk millions of dollars into promoting an event (not to mention you're basically the poster boy given the first fighter to ever be sponsored by the UFC brand itself) and the entire thing is simply scrapped despite their being a way out and ready made excuse/almost guaranteed rematch if you lose? Unless there's something we aren't hearing, Jon Jones dropped the ball here
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Dana canceled the card though. Jones didn't. He could have just made it free on FX if he was fearing low buys, or stick another Main event in there.

Switching training from someone who has great stand up to someone who is great on the ground in 8 days? When you have the title? I would have turned that shit down too.
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and it's a bit naive also for the sentiment that Dana shouldn't be pissed off about their own money loss
No i agree I'd be pissed too.
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what main event can be put together in 8 days? and I'm fairly sure scheduling something on TV isn't as simple as Dana phoning them and saying "hey FX, put our show on at short notice no matter what else you've got planned or what our deal is yeah?"

and bollocks. The guy is the champion. Just because he's been training for Hendo doesn't mean he's going to have suddenly forgotten how to defend takedowns. Chael hasn't even had a training camp and he'd have fought him within 24 hours. As I said, Jones had a ready made excuse and rematch right there if "the unthinkable" happened, he had nothing to lose. As it is, he now has the UFC, the fans, the broadcasters, fellow fighters, the media/tech guys and more annoyed with him and he kind of looks like a bitch (I don't think this is the case, Dana seemed to make it pretty clear he's listening to Greg Jackson) If this was an undercard fight or the co-main then yeah, fair enough. But his name is on the marquee, he's the champion. He needed to step up here.
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what main event can be put together in 8 days? and I'm fairly sure scheduling something on TV isn't as simple as Dana phoning them and saying "hey FX, put our show on at short notice no matter what else you've got planned or what our deal is yeah?"
FuelTV plays the best of UFC/Pride for half of the day I'm sure they would have taken it. Even if they didn't stick, that shit on facebook.
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and bollocks. The guy is the champion. Just because he's been training for Hendo doesn't mean he's going to have suddenly forgotten how to defend takedowns. Chael hasn't even had a training camp and he'd have fought him within 24 hours..(the rest was speculation)
Chael was just in a training camp for a fighter who is similar to Jones. Chael would DEFINITELY have the edge as far as training goes.
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Old 08-23-2012, 04:30 PM   #55
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Old 08-23-2012, 05:26 PM   #56
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Jon Jones is gonna get booed for the rest of his career. Son of a bitch. This only other hand only makes Chael that much better than everyone else. /Chael
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Old 08-23-2012, 05:40 PM   #58
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Damn. Perfect week to finally get the Internet set up in my apartment. I have mixed feelings on this. On one hand, Jones should have taken the fight with Sonnen not necessarily because he owes something to Dana or the other fighters on the card, but because I don't see Sonnen being so different stylistically to Hendo that it would put him at a disadvantage to fight the guy on such short notice. Sonnen is less of a threat in terms of landing a KO and is probably too out of fighting shape to really out grapple Jones.

People were hating the guy before he did anything wrong, now after a DUI and this, he's pretty much Hollywood Hogan at this point.
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he was spposed to wear tthe new nike mma gear for this fight..
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I'm really looking forward to seeing Jones lose, one of these days.
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The UFC really needs to do less PPVs next year. By canceling the entire event, Dana White basically acknowledged that no one else on this card was worth the price of admission or a PPV buy. A year ago, the fight would have been scrapped, the co-main event would have become the main, other fights would have been bumped up and it would have been business as usual. Jake Ellenberger is not co-main event material. Zuffa kind of put themselves in this unprecedented position to be bent over by one fighter.
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UFC will make a shit ton of money now if Sonnen vs Jones happens down the line. Jones may realize that this could be a huge money fight down the line, as opposed to rushing it now.
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It's hard not to like Chael, despite his gimmick. It's funny how Dana is able to manipulate narratives though. When Rashad needed an opponent last year, Chael offered to move up and fight him, but Dana laughed that off and said he needed real 205ers... We got Tito Ortiz. Now he wants to put Chael over because he's pissed at Jones when he knows damn well Chael on 8 days notice would have less of a chance to beat Jones than he would have Evans on three weeks notice with Rashad coming off a one year layoff and you can't say Dana was protecting the rematch with Anderson Silva because Sonnen fought twice after making the offer to fight Rashad.
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I am going to guess that if Sonnen wins in Dec he will face Jones in March or April.
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Nah.

He'll probably fight the winner of Shogun vs Gustafsson
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Seriously, now they're 17-19 other people who won't get paid thank to Jones.
Jones pulled a Dave Chappelle. Its too true though there is no other fight on the card worth buying, totally a one fight card.
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he was spposed to wear tthe new nike mma gear for this fight..
Not gonna lie, I was looking forward to seeing that too.
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Old 08-23-2012, 08:26 PM   #69
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it was gonna be huge for the sport..
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it was gonna be huge for the sport..
I agree 100%, which causes me to question Dana White's business savvy or at least his ego a little bit. Jones is the only champion on that roster who finishes fights in an exciting fashion and doesn't need Ed Soares to translate for him... plus he's only 25.

Why would Dana go out and absolutely bury him knowing damn well Jones already had a bit of an image problem? He said in that conference call he can't make fighters fight, but then said Jones ain't turning down the Machida fight. Blasting Jones like that and further hurting his marketability is a stupid move if you're not going to strip him of the title or even cut him.

Now, fans are pissed at Jones and the UFC still has to promote his fight on the 22nd against Machida and future fights with most fans hating his guts. Good luck with that. I doubt the people saying they can't wait to see Jones lose are going to throw down $50 in hopes that a guy Jones choked out and dropped like a sack of shit or anyone else he's already beaten will be the one to do it.
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Jones shoulda taken the fight. Like pointed earlier in the thread, Chael would take the fight on short notice too not just Bones. Plus Bones had the advantage of training this whole time..doubt Chael was training as hard as Bones these past few weeks.

I wonder if Bones knew the consequences if he didn't take the fight?

I agree about maybe less ppv's ..or something along those lines. Some of these cards are way too weak.
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I agree 100%, which causes me to question Dana White's business savvy or at least his ego a little bit. Jones is the only champion on that roster who finishes fights in an exciting fashion and doesn't need Ed Soares to translate for him... plus he's only 25.

Why would Dana go out and absolutely bury him knowing damn well Jones already had a bit of an image problem? He said in that conference call he can't make fighters fight, but then said Jones ain't turning down the Machida fight. Blasting Jones like that and further hurting his marketability is a stupid move if you're not going to strip him of the title or even cut him.

Now, fans are pissed at Jones and the UFC still has to promote his fight on the 22nd against Machida and future fights with most fans hating his guts. Good luck with that. I doubt the people saying they can't wait to see Jones lose are going to throw down $50 in hopes that a guy Jones choked out and dropped like a sack of shit or anyone else he's already beaten will be the one to do it.
Yea I don't agree with Dana being emotional and blasting Jones. He's being honest but is it best for business?
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Listening to this phone conference, Dana sounds like a slime ball.
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Interviewer "Couldn't you just have the card on regular TV?"
Dana "No we didn't have time"
FX was airing the prelims Just hold the Event an hour earlier and play the main card instead of the prelims air the prelims on facebook.

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Interviewer "You have had a lot of complaints about cards being too thin and one fight cards and this is and example of that. What do you have to say to those critics?"

Dana (dodging question)"we have never had a fighter refuse a fight"
What if Chael wasn't available to fight? He still would have had to cancel the card even if Jones was like "give me anybody" because no one else wanted to fight.

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Dana "Great Jon Jones you have a million dollars you don't need this fight but these other fighters do"
YOU Canceled the card.

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"I have a whole roster full of guys like Chael that will take a fight at a moments notice"
So why not make one of those fights the main event?
Pretty much after listening to that conference call Dana was mad he didn't have another fight on that card worth PPVs buys that he could promote so he decides to blast Jones. There was absolutely no other fight on that card people cared about.
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Apparantly There is a conference on Fuel tv right now but.....I can't see it because i dont have that channel
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what the mother fuck. I would love to see this conference
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Yeah. I just listened to the full conference call. Dana always seems to make rash decisions and say dumb shit when he doesn't get his way.

It's like when he took Nick Diaz out of the main event against GSP for missing a pre-pre-fight press conference that wasn't open to the public only to end up having to put him back on the card as the co-main event because the projected buys went to shit and the fans complained only to have Diaz end up main eventing the thing after GSP was injured.

Same thing when he blasted Shogun for not taking the fight against jiu jitsu wiz Glover Teixera because... who the fuck is Glover Teixera!?... only to have Shogun put on the best fight of all the televised UFC on Fox fights against Brandon Vera, who stylistically was much more exciting of a match up than against a straight up jiu jitsu guy.

Or back in 2008 when he cut the entire AKA roster (including Fitch, Koscheck and Cain Velasquez) and said "fuck all of them" because they didn't agree to the merchandising deal he presented.

Or when he cut Nate Marquardt over the TRT thing and said on video he'd never fight for any promotion owned by Zuffa... Marquardt is the Strikeforce Welterweight champion now.

Or even when he buried Anderson after the fight in Abu Dhabi against Maia. It just doesn't seem to make much sense to publicly threaten or trash your biggest stars. Especially when you know you're still going to work with them because you need them. Some stuff should be kept in the room and handled behind closed doors.
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Dana is very butthurt in this call. I wanna see what he has to say after he has cooled his jets a little bit.
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Yeah he sounded butthurt.
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Here's a link to the earlier call http://www.mmamania.com/2012/8/23/32...ping-jon-jones
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Here's something my law school buddy brought up that Dana White probably leaves out when he discusses all the money lost and guys who will starve... promoters of major events get something called event cancellation insurance. It allows a promoter to recover at least the non-reimbursable expenses of an expense and at most 100% of the gross expected profit in case of cancellation due to non appearances of key individuals like Jon Jones or injury to marquee guys like Henderson. By making it seem like Jones refused to appear and he couldn't make him, they might be able to claim more and break even than they would if they ran the show.

If Bob Arum and a major concert promoter like Live Nation have it, they'd be crazy not to have it. It would be nice if someone would have asked Dana about that possibility on the conference call.
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