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Old 09-19-2012, 09:57 PM   #41
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CM Punk had already been a World Champion when he beat Jeff Hardy.
But he wasn't the CM Punk that he became in the past year and a half.
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Old 09-19-2012, 09:58 PM   #42
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ECW doesn't count.
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Old 09-19-2012, 10:39 PM   #43
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ECW doesn't count.
Especially after the original ECW folded.
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Old 09-19-2012, 10:44 PM   #44
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But he wasn't the CM Punk that he became in the past year and a half.
He wasn't the CM Punk he has been since last summer then, either. CM Punk has been able to evolve beautifully over his WWE run.

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ECW doesn't count.
CM Punk won his first World Heavyweight Championship by cashing in his Money In The Bank contract on Edge back in 2008.
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Old 09-19-2012, 10:45 PM   #45
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Especially after the original ECW folded.
Shut the fuck up, seriously.
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Old 09-19-2012, 10:55 PM   #46
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With so much new talent relative to when Jeff left, he would have many midcarders to help elevate to solid Main Event status like Jericho's been doing. Welcome back in advance, Jeff!
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Old 09-20-2012, 03:12 AM   #47
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Jeff simply wants to feud with Cena to hype his new line of "Rise Above Sobriety" merch.

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The way he left last time? You mean amicably and with the understanding the door was always open? With a DVD that highlighted his last run?

Yep they sure don't want his ass back.
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Old 09-20-2012, 03:29 AM   #48
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I just watched his match against Sting on Victory Road 11.

Can somebody explain to me what exactly happenned there?
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Old 09-20-2012, 03:38 AM   #49
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The match was cut short because they were concerned over Jeff Hardy's condition.
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Old 09-20-2012, 04:15 AM   #50
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The match was cut short because they were concerned over Jeff Hardy's condition.
Yeah, but was Bischoff coming out planned?

It looks like Hardy doesn't know he's supposed to lose with that Scorpion Death Drop. Trying to kick out, then looking shocked.
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Old 09-20-2012, 04:23 AM   #51
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Jeff definitely knew what was going on, it was just TNA's way of making an angle out of it, instead of just having a 1 minute match with no real explanation.
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Old 09-20-2012, 04:46 AM   #52
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Can't say I understand really, but it's TNA, so I'll just go on with my life.
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Old 09-20-2012, 05:38 AM   #53
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Yeah, but was Bischoff coming out planned?

It looks like Hardy doesn't know he's supposed to lose with that Scorpion Death Drop. Trying to kick out, then looking shocked.
Watch the referee. He makes an "X" sign, then when Sting comes out, he says something to Sting and he's pissed about it.

I think Bischoff wanted to actually have a match. But Sting basically called an audible. Hence the quick Scorpion Death Drop and the shoot pin. And I don't blame him one bit. Luckily for all involved, it was a veteran who knew to do something like that and not some dumb kid who would try to work around it. Sure, a 90 second Main Event is horrible, but it's better than a 3 minute match that ended with Jeff breaking his neck attempting one of his spots.
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Old 09-20-2012, 02:08 PM   #54
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I saw that match. I believe it was disrespectful to Sting and to TNA that Jeff Hardy came out to the ring in no condition to wrestle. No one in their right mind could do that to any wrestler and any company.
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Old 09-20-2012, 03:12 PM   #55
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I don't know who was more disrespectful: Jeff Hardy for coming out like that, or TNA for allowing him to come out like that.
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I would welcome Jeff Hardy back if he can perform like he did the last year of his WWE contract. His work with Punk was pretty awesome for Hardy standards.

I would rather Matt Hardy stay fucking obsolete
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Old 09-20-2012, 04:32 PM   #57
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You know after realizing how many times Punk had won big titles, it really feels like his anger at "being lost in the shuffle" seems a bit unfounded.

Someone summarize how entertaining each of his title reigns were, please.
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Old 09-20-2012, 04:47 PM   #58
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You know after realizing how many times Punk had won big titles, it really feels like his anger at "being lost in the shuffle" seems a bit unfounded.

Someone summarize how entertaining each of his title reigns were, please.
His 2008 reign was barely 2 months long. They basically did the whole "MITB winner doesn't deserve to be champion" bit until he got hurt or something and they did the angle at Unforgiven where Orton took him out and he was forced to forfeit the title. (Jericho won it that night in a shocker by replacing Punk and winning the Championship Scramble match after having a brutal match with HBK earlier in the night).

His 2nd and 3rd reigns in 2009 were pretty damn awesome. He feuded with Jeff Hardy through the summer (dropping the title and then winning it back at SummerSlam). Punk then went on to feud with Undertaker for the title through the much of the fall and dropped the belt to Undertaker in a Hell in a Cell match. CM Punk established himself as an amazing heel during this time. He never let off the gas since.

I think Punk's point was that he was busting his ass, entertaining the fuck out of everyone when he had the belt, but WWE kept going back to the Cenas,Takers,HHHs,Ortons,Batistas,etc. Hence the whole "voice of the voiceless" and "choice of a new generation" montras.
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Thank you. That was very concise.
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I saw that match. I believe it was disrespectful to Sting and to TNA that Jeff Hardy came out to the ring in no condition to wrestle. No one in their right mind could do that to any wrestler and any company.
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I don't know who was more disrespectful: Jeff Hardy for coming out like that, or TNA for allowing him to come out like that.
I don't get the "disrespect" thing. He's a drug addled fuckwit, yes. But so what? Did he start doing drugs to thumb his nose at TNA and Sting?

Even TNA wasn't really disrespectful, just unprofessional. And at this stage in the game, that's not really a shocker, is it?
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Old 09-20-2012, 05:23 PM   #61
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Im sure showing respect to Sting was going through his mind while he fed his addiction.

Just like homeless Meth heads are thinking of their family.
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as talented and great as punk is no one really gave a shit about him until he cashed in on hardy
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Old 09-21-2012, 03:06 AM   #63
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He was already pretty over. The Hardy feud lifted him to that next level, but he was hardly a "curt hawkins".

In fact, I don't think there was a single point in his entire wwe career, where he wasn't over on some level.
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Just like homeless Meth heads are thinking of their family.
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