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Old 11-07-2012, 07:51 PM   #1
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IYO: Should Monday Night RAW go back to 2 hours?
In your opinion: Should Monday Night RAW go back to 2 hours?

I will join the discussion later tonight.

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Old 11-07-2012, 07:56 PM   #2
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I don't care. It's rare for me to actually watch Raw these days for it to bother me one way or the other, so if more guys are getting air time for the people who do tune in weekly then that's all gravy.

I did always find 3 hour Raws, even before it became a permanent feature to drag on a lot though.
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Old 11-07-2012, 08:49 PM   #3
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Is it the extra hour necessarily, or just the shitty writing?? Go ahead and tell a good story or whatever, but a "scandal" with AJ, Cena and Vickie honestly bores the shit outta me. As Autobahn would say Alan Partridge.gif

The extra hour, if used well, should lay the foundation to start building new talents that are on the radar, so to speak. Wrestlers like Sandow, Kofi, McIntyre (pre-3MB) etc. should get some time to connect more with the fans and GET them to care.
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Old 11-07-2012, 10:04 PM   #4
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If the show is captivating from beginning to end, I could care less if it's 2 hours long, 3 hours long or 10 hours long.

They make more money with 3 hours obviously though than with 2 hours. People act like the show got so much worse when it went to 3 hours. Like it was incredible before.
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Old 11-07-2012, 10:54 PM   #5
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They probably shouldn't, since they make more money with it being three hours. I do think that it would help the overall product if the show were two hours, though. I also think that they should re-affirm the brand split, since that allowed each show to have more of an identity to it.
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Old 11-07-2012, 11:00 PM   #6
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I enjoy RAW and have enjoyed RAW for awhile now. I like having more of a show I enjoy to watch.
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No. For it would be a step backwards. A step forwards would be actually utilizing those three hours to build feuds and characters outside of the main events.
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If they are going to carry on with three-hour RAWs, they should have compelling storylines in which I can invest my time and interest.
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Old 11-07-2012, 11:17 PM   #9
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No mostly because it won't suddenly fix the writing and issues with planning the WWE has been having overall for months.

The biggest benefit of the extra hour has been tag team wrestling while they've lessen on the amount of recaps, useless filler, and media stuff they kept cramming on the early 3 hour RAWs.
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Old 11-08-2012, 12:16 AM   #10
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I voted for it going back to two, but there should be an asterisk there.

I've read some of the crowds have been lackluster in the third hour. I do think that's a viable barometer. If the live crowd is suffering burn out, a three hour format might be an issue. I do think quality writing and meaningful storylines and characterization would help, but that's a true statement whether the show is 2 hours, 3 hours, or 10 hours. ()

All that said, it hasn't really been three hours for that long (relatively) so I think devoting more time to the three hour show and seeing if they just need to get through the growing pains (writers, talent, crowds, etc.) is obviously required.
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Old 11-08-2012, 12:21 AM   #11
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Old 11-08-2012, 12:25 AM   #12
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Really no excuse to have PPV matches with zero to no heat, or throwing matches together last minute.

Really Grinds My Gear when I see random filler matches on PPV. You've got 3 hours of RAW, plus something like 5 or 6 more hours of other shows to actually build up some matches. Use it.
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Old 11-08-2012, 12:31 AM   #13
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Lock Jaw is mimicking my thoughts so perfectly right now I feel like there's a chance he's just mocking me.

But really, you don't build main eventers by having them wallow around in a mid-card scene where everyone's just doing random shit and no one is involved in feuds or anything of note because the writers can't be assed to write much outside a main event scene. (A guy like Ryback being the exception to the rule of course.) Another good example of how it's not the extra hour that sucks, it's the writers being lazy assholes.
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Old 11-08-2012, 12:32 AM   #14
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1 Hour. Don't need two. Main storylines and matches only, have enough jobber shows each week.
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Make the show runtime 1:45 so you get a full hour and your adverts.
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Old 11-08-2012, 12:34 AM   #16
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That being said, Main Event is tremendous still. So organized, so neat and good at showcasing the talent. The matches feel like they are relevant. I wish they could transfer that organization and focus to Raw.
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Old 11-08-2012, 12:38 AM   #17
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I'm sick of having to record Raw and watch How I Met your mother later or the other way around. Blatant self interest sways my vote to YES. Need Raw to go back to 9-11 even though they had like 10 matches on Raw Monday which was pretty cool. So, if they use the time wisely enough it'll be a No and I'll have to keep with the shitty recording plan.

If they want a 3rd hour just do a pre-show on WWE.com at 8 with recap and maybe show the dark-matches while people load into the arena. Try to make it feel like its ESPN and Monday Night Football. I thought they were planning to do a pre-show.
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Old 11-08-2012, 01:05 AM   #18
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They could be utilizing that first hour by bringing me William Regal but Vince has such a raging boner for Ryback that its only a dream.
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I feel like since it moved to 3 hours, we've gotten more great matches from the mid card. And it's really given the tag division time to shine.
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No. For it would be a step backwards. A step forwards would be actually utilizing those three hours to build feuds and characters outside of the main events.
I know right? Remember when they actually wrote like that back in the day? It's like a lost art nowdays.
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Instead of showcasing compelling storylines, they are interested in getting more ratings.
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When I watch it the commercials are all taken out, so it's around 2 hours 20 minutes of Raw, I'm not feeling the pain of 3 hours as I never watch it live.
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If they want better ratings, have it start an hour earlier..... little kiddies can't all make it to 11 on a school night.....
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I'm sick of having to record Raw and watch How I Met your mother later or the other way around. Blatant self interest sways my vote to YES. Need Raw to go back to 9-11 even though they had like 10 matches on Raw Monday which was pretty cool. So, if they use the time wisely enough it'll be a No and I'll have to keep with the shitty recording plan.
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Old 11-08-2012, 09:59 AM   #27
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I voted for off-season. Like others have said, it's the quality of the show, not its length, that is the problem.

But, honestly, a two-month break after Mania would be a great way to cut down on injuries and creative burn-out, and they can also regroup after their big show and get plans together for the entire roster. Have a "season premiere" in June and they can run the annual "big summer program" into Summerslam with a healthy roster and a well-planned story arc.
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Old 11-08-2012, 10:31 AM   #28
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Watch the shit I wanna see on Youtube so makes no difference to me
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Old 11-08-2012, 12:20 PM   #29
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Yes it should especially now with the additions of new programs like Main Event there are enough combined hours of WWE televsion in a week.
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Old 11-08-2012, 01:48 PM   #30
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Wrestling must be the only sport/entertainment where the biggest fans/border line obssesives actually wanna see LESS of it
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To be fair, most of them seem to be saying it solely because it's doing poorly in ratings and need to justify why it's bad.
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Old 11-08-2012, 04:30 PM   #32
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I don't think Raw should go back to two hours. I think creative should step up their game. If the WWE is looking to expand its time on TV, it means it's time to grow, and they need people to do that for them, or they need to hire people who can.
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Old 11-08-2012, 04:47 PM   #34
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Like I said before, there's a lot of cruiserweights on the roster who don't fit in on the card right now because they aren't realistically fighting for the eventual WWE/World title reign that the rest of the card is. They could easily fill some time by bringing back the cruiserweight division and devoting a segment a week to them.

Not a lot of time spent on promos since most of them shouldn't speak too much. Just a cruiserweight title and a group of athletic, fun to watch guys striving for it like it's their WWE title. Not only does this fill some time with something different from the throwaway, meaningless matches WWE's been tossing out seemingly just to waste time but it also only takes a segment a week to replace one of those meaningless, thrown together PPV matches with a built up, intriguing, lower card cruiserweight title match.
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Tyson Kidd, Justin Gabriel, Sin Cara, Yoshi Tatsu, Hunico, Curt Hawkins, Zack Ryder, Trent Barreta...

Not to mention Evan Bourne when he returns. Plus you've got Mysterio and Christian who are old school cruiserweight guys that can come in and compete with the young ones every once in a while just to spice the division up. Plus most of the NXT roster. They could easily make a must see segment of Raw every week while also giving some glorified jobbers time to actually perform on the main show in a way that isn't just making others look good.
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I pressed no, but I meant to say yes. 3 hours is too long and there are parts of the show that are just so boring that you can't even watch.
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Although the first few episodes were fun, the quality of content has degrading ever since. It's also very exhausting. I usually watch it with my roommate and we have a hard time staying awake till eleven because we are babies.

Here are the current "story arcs" on RAW...lets see how they develop and grow.

Foley's team will face off Punk's team in a classic Survivor Series elimination match in order to settle their differences

Foley's team will face off Ziggler's team in a classic Survivor Series elimination mtach for some reason. Maybe because the ppv requires a mandatory classic elimination match.

Mike "The Miz" Mizanin doesn't want to be Team Punk anymore. He loses yet another IC title match. After the match he extends his hand for a handshake only to get dropkicked out of the ring by Kofi Kingston who is suppose to be more grounded and mean now(according to Jim Ross and Michelle Cole).

CM Punk will defend the spinner belt against Ryback and Juaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan Cena for better pay-per-view buyrates.

Sheamus doesn't care that he lost the World title as long as he gets to fight.

R-Truth is taking easy on the delusional Little Jimmy thang and has Antonio Cesaro's number.

The Vickie Guerrero - John Cena - AJ Lee angle is enjoyable because the WWE loves to judge your intelligence. It's also very original.

Wade Barrett refuses to join Team Punk (now Team Ziggler) but decides to join it anyway because he wants Paul Heyman to owe him one...which will probably be forgotten.

D Bryan gets an Austin like pop and gets defeated in a couple of minutes. Classic WWE logic.

Brad Maddox is Hunter's new pet project after Senor Sin Cara. If he defeats Ryback on RAW next week, he will be awarded a million dollar
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contract (kayfabe) by Vincent Kennedy McMahon. Of course he is going to lose and Punk is not going to interfere.


Kaitlyn pins the Divas' Champion of the World Eve Torres. Big whoop! I don't mind. Kaitlyn is hot. Nothing special happening in the divas division. Aksana gives me "hooker" vibes.

For the first time in a blue moon, Alberto Del Rio loses a match to a mid carder. He also doesn't mind joining the team of a person who defeated him for the WWE Championship. He is such a good sport that he goes ahead and claps for his (Punk's) long title reign and future one-year celebration at the same PPV where he lost the belt in the first place. He might have something to do with Rosa in the future. Nice

3MB keep on dominating RAW as Heath Slater (w/Jinder Mahal) gets the biggest victory of his career by pinning one of the Uso twins (Jimmy). It was not at all boring.

Unfortunately, there isn't anything that has me remotely interested. But since anything can happen in the World Wrestling Federation, I am compelled to watch it.
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That brings up another thing that bugs me with WWE's lack of understanding on how to build guys up. No one outside the main event looks better than anyone else. It seems like everyone is liable to lose to anyone else at any given time and it won't be that big of a deal. They did it a lot with Punk during his face run as champ. The guy was THE WWE CHAMPION and he lost constantly. Made no sense for him to be champion considering he was basically 50/50 to win any match he competed in on Raw. It makes all the wrestlers look like a big pool of mediocrity and it makes the matches boring and meaningless.

That's why I at least love what they're doing with Ryback. They actually have a guy on the roster who is being booked as not being equal to everyone else and if he does get pinned, it's not just gonna be shitty, boring, interchangeable outcome #742. It's gonna be a huge fucking deal.

If there was less "everyone beats everyone else" on the mid-card, you could have outcomes actually mean something there too.
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It's not that RAW should go back to 2 hours, it's that they should utilize the time better. You knew more advertising was coming, but they need to quit with all the lenghty footage recaps of last week's show. They need to stop with all the "feature film" sized recaps of the main event angle EVERY WEEK going all the way through the PPV unless the main eventers in question aren't going to spend 20 minutes doing a promo in-ring and then having a match that night. They need to use that extra time to put other guys on TV that aren't on TV. They need to actually let some of the wrestlers do their storytelling from bell to bell instead of instantly HAVING to grab a microphone and talk away a quarter of an hour before their match happens.

I mean, as it stands, there's all this supposed extra time, but the matches are shorter on the whole, and almost everyone, reguardless of status on the card, is getting the jobber entrance during the commercials.

This is a problem they keep running into everytime they expand show length. They just "pad" the time instead of utilizing it to give us more. They kind of do it at first, but slowly, the show is going to end up with 3 actual matches a night, much like when RAW was only 1 hour. Maybe 4 matches with the dark main event for the live crowd.

Oddly enough, NXT seems to be doing things right. They're only one hour, and the show is full of theoretical nobodies, but they are running that show like RAW should be run.
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