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Old 12-09-2012, 07:03 PM   #801
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So Greinke to Dodgers.

I'd worry about him struggling, and not recovering, given his past anxiety issues. Guys struggle with big contracs, he just seems the type that *might* have a tough time over coming.
Ya I just don't understand how you can give the second largest pitcher contract EVER to a guy with not just a HUGE red flag, but also pretty average career numbers and one unbelievable season 4 years ago.

Seems kind of insane to me. But what do I know?
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Old 12-09-2012, 07:04 PM   #802
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Love how you told me not to ask questions while quoting a post in which I did not ask a question.

You pestered triple naitch for half a page about answering you, then got pissy when I told you to move forward. Not sure where the rest of your bitching is coming from, though.
Talking about him, not you.

Still have no idea who you are or why you are trying to thump your chest. Stay out of White Sox business.
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Old 12-09-2012, 07:04 PM   #803
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Old 12-09-2012, 07:05 PM   #804
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Old 12-09-2012, 07:08 PM   #805
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Ya I just don't understand how you can give the second largest pitcher contract EVER to a guy with not just a HUGE red flag, but also pretty average career numbers and one unbelievable season 4 years ago.

Seems kind of insane to me. But what do I know?
Not for giving pitchers more than 3 or 4 years unless they are built like dumptrucks (Felix, CC) or soft tossers (the Tom Glavine type).

Dodgers are spending recklessly. This is insane.
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Old 12-09-2012, 07:17 PM   #806
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Talking about him, not you.

Still have no idea who you are or why you are trying to thump your chest. Stay out of White Sox business.
lol then why did you quote three of my posts and start bitching at me?
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Old 12-09-2012, 07:20 PM   #807
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Dodgers are spending recklessly. This is insane.
They are in it to win it now.

Or implode mid-season. Whichever.
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Old 12-09-2012, 07:21 PM   #808
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Old 12-09-2012, 07:39 PM   #809
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lol then why did you quote three of my posts and start bitching at me?
Well, you jumped in to defend your boy.

Shake on it and call it a day?
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Old 12-09-2012, 07:41 PM   #810
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They are in it to win it now.

Or implode mid-season. Whichever.
This never works out. Its like a movie with a super cast. Its like they didnt learn from the Marlins, or even the red sox.
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Old 12-09-2012, 07:58 PM   #811
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lol @ our rotation. We have too many starting pitchers, might have to trade a couple. Kershaw, Greinke, Beckett, Capuano, Billingsley is seriously dirty. And that's not even including Ryu, which we got today. Still got Lilly and Harang too.
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Old 12-09-2012, 08:35 PM   #812
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Can never have too much starting pitching. Half those guys are injury risks anyway. These things have a way of sorting themselves out by April.

I used to think Billingsly was going to be a stud. What went wrong and what are your thoughts on him?
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Old 12-09-2012, 08:36 PM   #813
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As SammyG noted above, Dodgers and Hyun-Jin Ryu get a deal done in the 11th hour. 6-years, $36 mil. He got an opt-out clause at 5 years if he hits the 750 innings pitched mark.

Indians sign Mark Reynolds. 1-year, $6 mil. + incentives.

Hmmmm? What does Youk do now?
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Old 12-09-2012, 09:29 PM   #814
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Fuck. Feeling really nervous that Youk is gonna go to the Yankees.
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Can never have too much starting pitching. Half those guys are injury risks anyway. These things have a way of sorting themselves out by April.

I used to think Billingsly was going to be a stud. What went wrong and what are your thoughts on him?
What went wrong is injuries. Guy can't stay healthy. Some of those injuries changed his mechanics and since then, it's been downhill. He still has some of those performances where you wonder how amazing he'd be if he was consistent, but yeah. If he is our 4th-5th starter, that just shows that we have crazy deep depth in our rotation.
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Fuck. Feeling really nervous that Youk is gonna go to the Yankees.
Me too. Hold me.
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Old 12-09-2012, 11:12 PM   #818
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Old 12-09-2012, 11:14 PM   #819
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good lord the Royals were traderaped

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Old 12-09-2012, 11:18 PM   #820
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Old 12-09-2012, 11:19 PM   #821
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Old 12-09-2012, 11:26 PM   #822
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Who knows? Maybe Wil Myers will be a bust.
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Old 12-09-2012, 11:45 PM   #823
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Kinda thought Myers would be the new George Brett torchbearer type for the Royals franchise. Oh well.
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Old 12-09-2012, 11:48 PM   #824
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So would you rather give up $147 million or your top prospect for pretty much the exact same pitcher?
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Old 12-10-2012, 12:00 AM   #825
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I'd actually take James Shields over Zack Greinke. Plus Alcides Escobar.
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I'm just scratching my head. Shields is fantastic, no doubt. But their rotation still sucks outside of Shields and they just gave up 6 years of team control of the best hitting prospect in baseball for him.

It's an indefensibly bad trade for the Royals.
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I'm just scratching my head. Shields is fantastic, no doubt. But their rotation still sucks outside of Shields and they just gave up 6 years of team control of the best hitting prospect in baseball for him.

It's an indefensibly bad trade for the Royals.
That's my first impression as well.
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Old 12-10-2012, 07:54 AM   #828
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I think the real question is, the Royals couldn't get David Price?

Rays come out of this trade the winners. And good riddance James Shields, always gave the Yankees problems.
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"Big Game" James would either give up 4 in 4IP, or one hit the Yankees over 8.2
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Just remember that for every Bryce Harper and Justin Upton, there's a Brandon Wood and Dallas McPherson in the minor leagues. Kudos to the Royals for taking the chance.
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Just remember that for every Bryce Harper and Justin Upton, there's a Brandon Wood and Dallas McPherson in the minor leagues. Kudos to the Royals for taking the chance.
yeah,

they hink they can tak a run at things right now. So kudos to them, for taking the steps to try. Time will tell.
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Myers would have been a key cog in their lineup for years. Sure, he CAN end up being a bust, but I think it's highly unlikely. He seems to be as close to a can't miss prospect as it gets.

Even with Shields, the Tigers have a far better roster. The Tigers' window DOES appear to be closing soon, 2014 is when Verlander, V-Mart, Hunter, etc. hit free agency plus Cabrera and Fielder will be north of 30. Instead, they mortgaged their future for a guy who will also be leaving after 2014.

Letting Myers get a couple of years of experience (plus Moustakas and Hosmer getting a couple of more seaons under their belts, they have potential but just aren't there yet) would have put them in a great position to compete in 2015 and beyond. I know they've been shit for a long time, but it's a really short-sighted decision.
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They've thought long term for the past ten years and it hasn't paid off. They had to make a move and they did.

What makes Myers such a can't miss prospect?
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He has natural power and excellent bat speed. Could see him regularly getting 25-30 long balls as he is now, with potential to get even stronger as he develops further. He has the range to play CF right away as well, which works out nicely for a Rays team that has just lost BJ Upton. Could he flake out? Sure. But the talent is clearly there and I'd be rather surprised if he's not a very productive hitter in the Trop.

Don't get me wrong - I hope this does pay off for the Royals. They've waited a long ass time to see their team be competitive. But if they don't make the playoffs within the next 2 seasons, Dayton Moore will be fired and the franchise might be set back another several years.
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This talk of prospects and potential makes me realize that Peter Gammons used to blow loads over a young player named Bobby Crosby from the A's. Remember him? Gammons said he was can't miss and would win an MVP award or more. He barely hit .240 and after a few years was a utility player in PBurgh. Potential is intoxicating but it's just potential and not proven yet. I'm not going to pass a verdict on this trade but it could go either way.
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Alex Gordon was the second coming of George Brett a few years ago. It took four years for him to produce anything. The Royals needed to make this trade since they believe they have a shot at post season play now.
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He has natural power and excellent bat speed. Could see him regularly getting 25-30 long balls as he is now, with potential to get even stronger as he develops further. He has the range to play CF right away as well, which works out nicely for a Rays team that has just lost BJ Upton. Could he flake out? Sure. But the talent is clearly there and I'd be rather surprised if he's not a very productive hitter in the Trop.

Don't get me wrong - I hope this does pay off for the Royals. They've waited a long ass time to see their team be competitive. But if they don't make the playoffs within the next 2 seasons, Dayton Moore will be fired and the franchise might be set back another several years.
Brandon Wood had that same bat speed and power. If a guy hits 43 homers in one season at 3 minor league levels, you have to assume it will translate to the majors. But not in that case.

The Royals have not been able to develop a major league ace in decades. Something in their farm system is off. The best way to get a major league ace for them is to use their surplus to get that guy. James Shields is a poor man's Roy Halladay. He is legit.
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Wow, forgot about Dallas. What a sad bust
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This talk of prospects and potential makes me realize that Peter Gammons used to blow loads over a young player named Bobby Crosby from the A's. Remember him? Gammons said he was can't miss and would win an MVP award or more. He barely hit .240 and after a few years was a utility player in PBurgh. Potential is intoxicating but it's just potential and not proven yet. I'm not going to pass a verdict on this trade but it could go either way.
The national reporters have problems at the micro level. A lot of their info comes from what others have told them and not what they have seen themselves. They are paid to be talking heads, not evaluate talent on thier own necessarily.
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Sure, but if the scouts pass this information off they must believe it and be wrong as well. There is almost no "can't miss" guy in baseball but maybe 1 in a generation such as Bo Jackson, Griffey, Jeter, King Felix.
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