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Old 01-31-2013, 10:34 PM   #1561
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Rickie Weeks, Brian Roberts, Chris Young, Michael Young, and Vernon Wells are all making more than Prado next year. I'd take him over all of them.

You're just still butt hurt that your local team traded your favorite player, even though he hasn't yet lived up to his hype/potential.
You can not try and tell me that Justin Upton is a lesser player than Marteen Prado. you can't. I can't see the logic in it. at all.
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Old 01-31-2013, 10:39 PM   #1562
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I never said he was, but things were not working for him in Arizona. He just was not fitting in with that team.
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Justin Upton is 25, 3 years remaining on his contract at $38.5 million.

Martin Prado is 29, with 4 years on a deal at 40 million.

Would you rather have Justin Upton from 25-28 (typically the prime years of a hitter), or Martin Prado from 29-33 (when the downside sets in typically)?? Come the fuck on.
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I cannot wait until Upton starts cranking out MVP seasons.
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Old 01-31-2013, 10:49 PM   #1565
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Wasn't he supposed to be doing that already? What happened to the greatest pure prospect since Ken Griffey?
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I dont believe any of the shit they say about prospects until I see that shit. Also, pushing him up to the big leagues at 19 probably stunted his growth. Could have used another year or 2 in the minors. Still has Top 5 MVP finish.
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Old 01-31-2013, 11:02 PM   #1567
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I don't believe MVP potential til I see it either.

Shannon Stewart has a Top 5 MVP finish too.
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I went and looked that up. I can hardly fucking believe my eyes.
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Rickie Weeks, Brian Roberts, Chris Young, Michael Young, and Vernon Wells are all making more than Prado next year. I'd take him over all of them.
You'd take Martin Prado over Chris Young?

You're crazy.
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Old 02-01-2013, 09:48 AM   #1573
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Yeah I would. Young has never hit over .250 or had an OBP over .341.
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I would too. Chris Young stinks.
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Im marking my territory and pissing on Upton over Prado.
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Now it is being reported Anthony Bosch himself injected A-Rod with steroids.

Things aren't looking good for him.
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I hope these guys talk.

Unlike Greg Anderson. That guy kept his mouth shut and did a couple of stints in the slammer when they were going after Bonds.
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Old 02-01-2013, 03:00 PM   #1578
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MLB hinted they won't be punishing anyone that gets exposed in this latest PED scandal. Only way they will get involved in this mess is if the Feds get involved to the point sworn affidavits are made.
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MLB is going to have to do something. I have the feeling there's still a lot of info that's gonna come out and make the situation even worse for the players, especially A-Rod.
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Were players suspended for being involved in the Mitchell Report? If not, then the players now may use that as precedence.
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Doubt it would be successful since I believe the roids policy at the time didn't cover anything done prior to the report and even some of the stuff listed didn't get covered until MLB redid the policy to be more strict after the report.
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Were players suspended for being involved in the Mitchell Report? If not, then the players now may use that as precedence.
I don't think that'd work, because if I'm not mistaken, players were asked to speak to George Mitchell and were told they wouldn't be punished for anything they told him.
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4/40 is too much for Prado, but you just took on Upton's 3 years and 38 mil deal. Don't have the cash. Mmkay.
Prado was rumored to be asking for 13 per from the Braves when they entered contract negotiations; they obviously tried to resign him, but the financials weren't there so instead of the them including Simmons they started including Prado. I'm no contract expert or anything.

And I don't think you can just compare Upton/Prado. You got Randall Delgado for like six years or something, and he will become a decent back-end starter at worst, from what I saw of him.
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I mean I wouldn't have made the trade either, but I imagine Prado will be the backbone of the top of your order. The only time he ever struggled in his Braves tenure was when he played half a year injured. He almost certainly won't get better than he has been, but he has been incredibly reliable at a position that is not reliable. The Braves will probably spend a while trying to find his/Chipper's replacement.
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I would too. Chris Young stinks.
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"Jim Johnson was 51/54 in save opportunities that's why the Orioles were so good."

Try absolutely unsustainable success in 1 run games, bro. Not some closer that will likely get shelled next season.
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"Jim Johnson was 51/54 in save opportunities that's why the Orioles were so good."

Try absolutely unsustainable success in 1 run games, bro. Not some closer that will likely get shelled next season.
Correct. Maybe that's what he was getting at, but probably not.

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Just met Mitch at a meet and greet last night. Any man who despises pitch counts is a good guy by me.
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Pitch counts are a useful guideline. Not a hard and fast rule to follow.
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the Rockies would inaccurately throw 75 baseballs at you for insulting pitch counts
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After watching Mark Prior, you can't help but know that pitch counts should not be ignored.
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After watching Mark Prior, you can't help but know that pitch counts should not be ignored.
Mark Prior may have needed them, sure. But guys like CC Sabathia + Scot Shields have rubber arms and pitch counts are not really an issue. It is more of an arbitrary guide to use with pitchers depending upon their fatigue level, size, and body make-up. When Girardi limits CC to 110 pitches in September when the man can easily toss 145 and be ready for his next start, it drives me nuts because its unnecessary and puts the most important thing for a team (the W) At risk, but it's a trendy strategy that a lot of baseball people have bought into as gospel rather than a tool to be used in CERTAIN situations and not UNIVERSALLY by all pitchers.
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Guys like CC and King Felix are different cases because they're built like dump trucks. (I assume you meant) James Shields isn't a power pitcher (ave 92.3 mph fastball in 2012, a career high and 90.9 career) who's best pitch is a changeup which is much less stressful to throw.

Innings limits on younger pitchers and pitch counts for individual games are a major part of pitching now due to the high attrition rate of young pitchers, especially when compared to position players.

Here is a favorite article of mine from Baseball Prospectus
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As a Yankees fan I see the otherside of pitch counts: inability of some pitchers to condition themselves past them-- Joba and Phil Hughes are prime examples. And body type is a main point I was making as a component of when pitch counts ought to be necessary. They are not something to be used in all cases, but for those who most need them in order to develop. And I did mean former reliever Scot Shields who was known in college for his freakish arm and its lack of frailty. I respect your side Drebs, and I'm not calling for teams to abolish them but to be more prudent In using them rather than treating all pitchers universally.
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Understood. You basically agree with DaveWadding's comment then?

So what has gone wrong with Phil and Joba?
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