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Old 06-21-2004, 05:55 PM   #641
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I'm just looking forward to watching cristiano rape ashley cole again.
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Rob Harvey, how much does it hurt you to know your Grandchildren will be english?
Won't happen. I was the first Harvey born in England and my sister will be the last. They can be born in Mali or Tazmania for all I care but they won't be English.
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Well we need to lose the casual part of the game, we became a bit complacent after scoring the 3rd. Gerrard should have been bought off, he spent the last 15 minutes strolling around and giving the ball away.

Portugal haven't looked great, especially if they play with one main striker. Just need to defend better from set pieces.

To be honest i'm just happy we're here, no shame in losing to the hosts if we do and have to remember this is only the second time in the competitions histroy that we've got beyond the group stages.
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Won't happen. I was the first Harvey born in England and my sister will be the last. They can be born in Mali or Tazmania for all I care but they won't be English.
Well, I figured you were going off the nationality of your Grandparents or something, so eitherway, your grandchildren are fucked
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Won't happen. I was the first Harvey born in England and my sister will be the last. They can be born in Mali or Tazmania for all I care but they won't be English.
He says, twitching nervously...
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You just don't like Scots who show a vague liking to England when they're playing some exotic non UK team.

As for Portugal, I think we certainly CAN beat them, but at the same time, they could certainly beat us. Whilst we're capable of making it to the semis though, I would have to edge it to the hosts right now. Still, ask me again on Friday.
Fuck off. All I hear is English fans giving it the "We'd support Scotland if they were in it" line and it's pure shite. You support us until we lose and then are the first to laugh when we lose. All the "are you Scotland in disguise?" chants never went unheard either. Apparently you don't even care about us but you still are bothered by this tiny little country who take the piss out of you. And I don't even care about that really. I expect that from you. What bothers me is when Scots know this and still say they'd support you lot. Biggest embarrassment of the lot.

At the end of the day, I don't give a shit if you would support us or not as long as you stuck to one side of the fence. Lads at my work admit they wouldn't and don't care I ain't supporting England.

COME ON PORTUGAL!
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He says, twitching nervously...
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I'm just looking forward to watching cristiano rape ashley cole again.
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Fuck off. All I hear is English fans giving it the "We'd support Scotland if they were in it" line and it's pure shite. You support us until we lose and then are the first to laugh when we lose.
The second sentence is true. As a neutral I'd back Scotland by proxy, but since I ultimately don't care about anyone bar England, I do get a kick out of laughing at them. Still, you can't say that's unfair since you hate our lot so much too (more than I hate Scotland, at least).
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I back Scotland whenever they play, same with Ireland and Wales. Obviously if it was against England id want England to win but in both the play off games I was cheering for the home nations.

We need to tighten up the marking from setpieces but Croatia have loads of 7' giant players so we were always going to be trouble at set pieces.
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Not saying it's unfair. Saying it's annoying. Support someone or don't. More pissed at the support "jocks" like Hansen and Gray.
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I back whatever temas have Utd players in usually, including scotland. If they lose, I'm still going to rub it in though. Not because I have any deep loathing for them, just cause that's what footballs for.
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Oh yeah, Molnar is the worst player in the tournament. Just have to stress it again.
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My Dad is born and bred Scottish, and he's with the English on Thursday, purely because he hates the Portugese for being a bunch of cheating, overrated asses, which is also my opinion.
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I don't know, apart from that set up for rooney's header, Owen has been pretty terrible.
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The one two for Rooney's second goal.
The part he played in the first goal and second goal.
He hasn't been firing them in but his link up play has been good.
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that one two was awful. he underhit them both times and we were lucky not to lose the ball.
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At the end of the day, who can they replace Owen with? Heskey or Vassell? PLEASE! As a jock, I'm begging Sven to do that!
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Rooney has to be signing for Chelsea or Man United now.
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At the end of the day, who can they replace Owen with? Heskey or Vassell? PLEASE! As a jock, I'm begging Sven to do that!
Oh no.
Not Heskey.
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Vassell has looked more dangerous than Owen thus far.
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Wow, the Brummies were all sitting on the steps of their local police station watching the match on a Sony Trinatron. Even Manchester got a big screen...
That was centenary square And I'm thinking it was pretty empty cause there was trouble after the France game and they banned sales of alcohol there.

Scotland can fuck off I keep an eye out for any Wolves players when they make appearances but that's it. I semi-support Ireland since I'm half-Irish, that's about as far as I go. I just find it hilarious how unbelievably bitter some Scots (nobody here, mind) get about England (esp when we haven't particularly done anything much worth getting bitter about) - all I ever hear is "You lot never shut up about 1966" - I don't know *anyone* who reverts to using 1966 in an argument unless they're either dumb or desperate, so fuck off on that count. Having said that, the old "we only have 5 million or so population" excuse is out the window thanks to Latvia eh?

Is it me or did John Terry look nervous for a lot of tonight's game? Sort it out lad.

Ashley Cole still can't defend (thank you)...I'm surprised Croatia didn't just go for it and hit a ton of crosses towards Mornar, he would've done Cole every time in the air.

Beckham played better but still didn't do a hell of a lot. About 15-20 minutes in the 2nd half he got within 10 yards of the Croatian penalty area, which was about the first time bar free kicks he had advanced that far up the pitch with the ball.

Owen seems to have lost his touch (literally) but to be honest you can't leave him out. Scholes went for 3 friggin years, and look what the goal did for him, he actually looked vaguely like his club form afterwards. Same with Shearer back before Euro 96, everyone knew he was capable but he hit a barren spell. Then he banged them in. Owen is a bigger goal threat than Heskey or Vassell, even if he's not on top form, so he's got to play.

Gerrard was the man for most of the game. I lost count of the number of times he broke up the Croatian possession or ended up out on the wings covering.

Michael Oakes needs to be called up asap.

That is all.
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Vassell has looked more dangerous than Owen thus far.
I didn't see the 2nd game, but when I've seen Vassell on the pitch, he seems to be doing a lot more than Owen.
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C'mon Ronaldo for a crazy dive going by Neville in the 90th minute to put England out and then get chased out of the country thus fucking England and United in one move.
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Vassell has also been brought on when we were ahead against a poor Swiss team and ahead against an already beaten Croatia. Credit to him he did his part against France but then again Silvestre and Thuram were having mares that night.
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Is it me or did John Terry look nervous for a lot of tonight's game? Sort it out lad.

Ashley Cole still can't defend (thank you)...I'm surprised Croatia didn't just go for it and hit a ton of crosses towards Mornar, he would've done Cole every time in the air.

Beckham played better but still didn't do a hell of a lot. About 15-20 minutes in the 2nd half he got within 10 yards of the Croatian penalty area, which was about the first time bar free kicks he had advanced that far up the pitch with the ball.

Owen seems to have lost his touch (literally) but to be honest you can't leave him out. Scholes went for 3 friggin years, and look what the goal did for him, he actually looked vaguely like his club form afterwards. Same with Shearer back before Euro 96, everyone knew he was capable but he hit a barren spell. Then he banged them in. Owen is a bigger goal threat than Heskey or Vassell, even if he's not on top form, so he's got to play.

Gerrard was the man for most of the game. I lost count of the number of times he broke up the Croatian possession or ended up out on the wings covering.

Michael Oakes needs to be called up asap.

That is all.
It's not just Ashley Cole, both full backs, Gary Neville is a fucking pussy, time after time I see him not jumping for headers, or turning away when theres a shot because he is scared, he did it in the second half and it nearly lead to a Croatia goal, the ball just went wide, and he did it against either Japan or Iceland when they scored.

Terry played well, as did Campbell, hardly did anything wrong. Beckham played no different to usual, which reminded me off why I always said he is overrated.

Gerrard was shit attacking, seriously unbelievably shit with his balls, him and Beckham were rubbish throughout.

James is a liability, and the sooner Robinson is in goal the better.

Not one fucking mention of Frank Lampard, you lot discust me , not only was it a great goal but it put us through, settled our nerves and everything. I would rate it as good as Rooney's second goal, although Rooney's was a better strike, Lampard's was his weaker foot and he turned the defender first.

I knew Paul Scholes was going to score... I had a £2 bet at 75/1 that Scholes would score first and it would be 1-1, and a £2 bet that Scholes would score first. My mate said to me about how Scholes hadn't scored for 3 years, and I'll say now what I said then "He's gunna score eventually and records are their to be broken" (not a record but that was the most relevant phrase I could think of)

Still don't fancy our chances against Portugal.
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Oh an as for Owen, clearly Mask you do not and never have played up front. Lemme explain why Owen was good today.

Basically Rooney was dropping back and at times playing in front of the midfield, and not across the Croat's defence. When Rooney was getting the ball here, the Croats defence stayed where they were, meaning Owen would be against 4 defenders. Although a player spends the huge majority of the game off the ball, and when attackers are off the ball they are meant to find space, Owen was too outnumbered to do this. Admittedly for the first goal Owen had a bad first touch, and he has lost YARDS of pace and is nowhere near as fast as in '98, but he played a huge part in the first three goals, without Owen we wouldn't have scored them. Just because he didn't see as much of the ball, your often forgetting that although it is Owen's job to score goals, assisting three is not bad at all. I have three critisms of Owen, 1) He is too slow not, 2) He is weak as shit, 3) His first touch is dire. I think we should keep playing him because he is still one of our best strikers.
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There isn't enough movement out of Owen right now. He hasn't adapted his game to make up for his lack of pace. He's stronger now, and he's still an excellent finisher, but he is still trying to play as a pacey opportunist, on the shoulder, looking to slip past defenders when the ball comes over the top or through.

He isn't quick enough to do that any more. He needs to start making more intelligent runs, getting himself into better positions. Generally, he needs to work a lot harder. He offers nothing to England by being so static.
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Owen is good at holding the ball up, and often makes the right passes, he was given a high amount of stupid hopeless balls to him that he was expected to make something out of nothing. If Owen was so static he would not have created three goals. Like I say though, the way Rooney plays means its much harder for Owen to find space, as Rooney moves away from the opposing centre backs which means Owen is tighter marked. I agree that Owen shouldn't try and be a pacey attacker anymore, but the fact is thats how Sven wants him to play so he has to stick with it.

I think he made some great runs today, alot of them resulted in him either fluffing the end product or the balls being played to him sucking and not reaching him.
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I'm not talking so much about this game, more like in how he has been playing over the past several months.

The Croatian defence was tragically static itself, probably because there is absolutely no pace in it, and they did not want to be caught out by Rooney or Owen. They weren't interested in pressing at all.

They ended up being caught out anyway.
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Admittedly I haven't seen too much of him in the last couple of months, just the last week. What I do know about the last week is that he set up Roonaldo's first goal against the Swiss, and had key assists in three today, thats half of our goals he has had a big part in, if he was as bad as people (like Mask) claim, he would not be doing that. Owen also need to just be more confident, you may have noticed I haven't argued with your last post, this is because I agree with you.

On a different note, who should Englands penalty taker be? Owen keeps missing penalties and I wouldn't let him near the spot, and Beckham has taken one good penalty in over two years for England, and that was against (In think) Turkey, not the one he fluffed over the bar, in the other leg. His penalties against the Argies, France and Turky were shit in the last two years. Frank Lampard is Chelsea's penalty taker, having scored against Tim Howard and Shay Given this season, those two are regarded as two of the best keepers in England. When Lampard took the penalty against United there was shitloads of pressure as it was 0-0, likewide against Newcastle it was 2-0 at the time and anything could have happened, the point is Lamprd scored against the top clubs in the Premiership under pressure. Him or Roonaldo would be my pick, trouble with the Rooney Toon if that he is inexperienced at taking penalties.
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Lampard or Scholes.
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I can see why you said Scholes, he is the man at shooting, but he doesn't take them for his club, therefore would it be a good idea for him to take them at country level, I would always prefer someone who takes them for his club too. Then again, I am biased towards Lampard.
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Scholes is a good penalty taker. I can remember him hitting a few for United.

I'd be pretty confident with either Lampard or Scholes. Scholes maybe just nods it because I think nothing fazes him.

Robbie Keane is my favourite penalty taker. Balls of steel. Last minute in injury time of a WC last 16 game against Spain, and he thumps it into the top corner. Beautiful.
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There are two strikers that I have always wanted Chelsea to sign, Robbie Keane and Morientes. I still wish we signed Keane instead of Spurs.
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Keane is the man. I wish Chelsea had signed him instead of Spurs too, because he is wasted there. One of the best first touches I have ever seen.

One of the biggest tragedies ever for Irish football that Marcelo Lippi got sacked by Inter Milan. If he hadn't, Robbie would have been given a real chance there. With a bit of quality coaching, Robbie could become one of the world's best.
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