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Old 11-03-2013, 01:27 AM   #1
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Daniel Bryan should defeat "the streak"
I have been thinking about this ever since the "best for business" angle has formed. This would only work if they decide to end the streak and if they do, Bryan should be the man to do it. It would set Bryan's future pretty much in stone by "making" him an A+ competitor in the eyes of management by having him do something that no one including HHH or HBK have been able to do. I don't think it can or should happen this year, but if they want to hand Bryan the reigns and really shake things up, it would be the perfect angle. Thoughts?
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Old 11-03-2013, 02:41 AM   #2
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no? thats a horrible idea. no one will ever beat the streak and THAT is best for business.
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Old 11-03-2013, 02:42 AM   #3
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50 years from now 21-0 dvds will still sell unless you botch the whole concept and put someone over on him. luckily they aren't going to do that.
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Old 11-03-2013, 02:55 AM   #4
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I'm the biggest Daniel Bryan mark around and I still give that a fervent no. I give a no to Cena ending it, Punk ending it, Brock ending it, Sheamus ending it, pretty much everyone ending it.

The only way I see the Undertaker not winning at WM is if Sting comes in and it goes to a No Contest.
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Old 11-03-2013, 03:17 AM   #6
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Old 11-03-2013, 03:32 AM   #7
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The pro-streak ending crowd like to talk about how it would be a waste not to use the streak to put someone over.

No wrestler exists, that is worth ending the streak for. Even if you tried, the fans wouldn't buy it. The only people who can believably beat taker at this point are legends like HBK and Triple H. Guys who are made for life and wouldn't need the rub anyhow.

Retiring the streak would not be a waste. It would be a great story. Ending it to get someone over is boring, uncreative, and fucking lazy.

Finally, if anyone in the history of this business deserves this legacy, it is the undertaker. No one else has given as much, and been as loyal and selfless.
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Old 11-03-2013, 03:38 AM   #8
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And on that point other than the streak taker really has very little. No great title reign for the ages. honestly excluding the streak maybe one iconic feud (kane [and the streak is wrapped up in that as well.]) the streak doesnt just add to his legacy...it is his legacy.
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Old 11-03-2013, 03:44 AM   #9
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The person who ever did beat the streak would become the vermin of the wrestling world. Not just in the back, internet everywhere.
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Old 11-03-2013, 04:55 AM   #10
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I wanna see the streak end, but I think whoever does it needs to be a heel, because they sure as hell won't be getting cheered I don't think.
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Old 11-03-2013, 05:36 AM   #11
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50 years from now 21-0 dvds will still sell unless you botch the whole concept and put someone over on him. luckily they aren't going to do that.
This. A millions times this.
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He should beat the streak, turn heel when pretending to shake Taker's hand.
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Old 11-03-2013, 08:33 AM   #13
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Anything can work. If it was a sensational match that was completely perfect in every way with the most utmost perfect finish (Taker could NOT tap, THAT would be dumb), it could be really effective and make the "1" meaningful, BUT that requires every single damned star to be alligned correctly. I think Bryan has the skill to do it, but the match itself would have to be more memorable than the entire streak, which is asking a ridiculous amount, when you can just keep the streak which in itself is something so special.
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Old 11-03-2013, 09:08 AM   #14
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No one should end the streak.
You never know how long you have with the one they decide to be the "chosen one" if they do.
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The whole idea that ending the streak will instantly make a new main event star is akin to saying making someone a member of The Four Horsemen is a guaranteed short cut to the top. You need someone already at a level that fans can accept them as a realistic challenger, someone who's already at that main event level, being booked to look like a star against the Undertaker isn't that a bad a thing really.
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Old 11-03-2013, 12:27 PM   #16
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The pro-streak ending crowd like to talk about how it would be a waste not to use the streak to put someone over.
And the pro-keeping the streak alive forever crowd like to talk about how much money would be lost as if you can't sell streak DVDs if the streak ends. And how it would somehow "ruin" Taker's legacy.

It's ridiculous not to end the streak. Even if you use it just as an iconic moment for Taker and a guy who's already made and not to "put someone over"... it benefits no one to keep the streak going. It would be arguably the most memorable moment in wrestling history. There is no good reason to pass that up.
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Old 11-03-2013, 12:30 PM   #17
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I guess I could have just said... This thread:

http://www.tpwwforums.com/showthread...=125071&page=2
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He's probably the most likely guy to both break the streak and get an actual rub from it but right now I'd rather have Bryan's big Mania moment be wining the WWE title.
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Technically if he wins the WWE belt since Cena has the WHC does that make the WWE belt 2nd and a bit "redundant" and less "meaningful" since he had the WHC belt when it was secondary?

Screwed yet again, technically, sorta, maybe.
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By the time WrestleMania rolls around, Cena will be IC champion and therefore that will officially be the top title.
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If Taker is so 'old school....he would not want to retire without ending the streak.
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Incorrect. Cant look at it like a rule you have to look at it from the truth. You lay down because it's good business. It isnt good buisness to end the streak.
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If by some reason they would have someone to end the streak it would literally have to be a star on the level with Hogan, Rock etc....Bryan has been great but you'd literally have to have a guarantee that he'd be the number 1 guy in the company for years and could carry the company on his back. Can Bryan do that? No, and that's not a knock on Bryan at all. The only person who would remotely make sense is Cena because he's by far the biggest name in the company and id still wouldn't pull the trigger.
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Incorrect. Cant look at it like a rule you have to look at it from the truth. You lay down because it's good business. It isnt good buisness to end the streak.
Making one of the most memorable moments in wrestling history is good for business.
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If by some reason they would have someone to end the streak it would literally have to be a star on the level with Hogan, Rock etc....Bryan has been great but you'd literally have to have a guarantee that he'd be the number 1 guy in the company for years and could carry the company on his back. Can Bryan do that? No, and that's not a knock on Bryan at all. The only person who would remotely make sense is Cena because he's by far the biggest name in the company and id still wouldn't pull the trigger.
I want it to be Cena. Just because I see it more about the culmination of the streak hype/making an iconic moment than trying to put someone over with it and I think Cena is the too far ahead of everyone else right now for it not to be him.

Even if it can't be Cena though, you still do it. You take whoever your biggest star is and you put them in the match and let them go over. You don't waste the moment. There's no reason to.
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Old 11-03-2013, 09:49 PM   #27
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Incorrect. Cant look at it like a rule you have to look at it from the truth. You lay down because it's good business. It isnt good buisness to end the streak.


'You don't leave a territory/retire/leave a promotion without putting the next man over'.


I don't know, I remember Taker shitting on people for not 'doing the job'. Now he's above it?


You know I have a profound level of respect for you Destor, but I have to call bullshit on this not being good for business. I mean, think about this from behind the curtain. What's the last lesson Taker can teach the entire Locker room in 30 minutes and three seconds? that NOBODY is beyond advancing the business, and the bigger picture is that the next star should be made by the current star.
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Old 11-03-2013, 09:51 PM   #28
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I want it to be Cena. Just because I see it more about the culmination of the streak hype/making an iconic moment than trying to put someone over with it and I think Cena is the too far ahead of everyone else right now for it not to be him.

Even if it can't be Cena though, you still do it. You take whoever your biggest star is and you put them in that match and let them go over. You don't waste the moment.
The guy who does it HAS to be a 100% sure thing or else you are flushing a ton of money down the toilet. Like if Bryan wins, he can't be floundering after the win and has to be the franchise guy.
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What money is being flushed down the toilet?
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The streak is a huge selling point. People buy wrestlemania for that match. If somebody beats him and fucks up, then you've just thrown money away. The streak and Undertaker literally go hand in hand, and if it's over and the guy doesn't break through like planned then what? We've seen the WWE do start and stop pushes constantly. I don't have enough faith in the company especially after how they managed to fuck up Ryback to pull this off.
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Well obviously you don't end it until Taker's ready to retire.
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Who ever "retires"?
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The streak is a huge selling point. People buy wrestlemania for that match. If somebody beats him and fucks up, then you've just thrown money away. The streak and Undertaker literally go hand in hand, and if it's over and the guy doesn't break through like planned then what? We've seen the WWE do start and stop pushes constantly. I don't have enough faith in the company especially after how they managed to fuck up Ryback to pull this off.
Which is why i said what i said. if ur gonna end it it has to be a bigger moment than and more memorable than the streak itself. that shit is organic it can't be manufactured.
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lol. Eventually The Undertaker will be too old/broken to compete even in his yearly WrestleMania match. The streak is going to end. It's inevitable. The only question is should it end definitively with a loss in what will be a huge WrestleMania moment that will go down as this generations "Hogan slams Andre" or should it end with a whimper when Taker just... stops defending it. No one benefits from that. Not even Taker. His legacy and the streak's legacy lives on forever either way. Now why not add that iconic moment to the legacy?
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You can't just end it though just because he's retiring. It. Has to make sense. If someone isn't ready or big enough then it's a waste.
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That's why I think it should be Cena. As much as WWE has failed to build real stars, Cena's by far the one who has hit that level and he's the next Taker as far as being the veteran leader of the locker room. It would be an insane atmosphere. And so fitting considering how far Cena has come since his debut when he got Taker's stamp of approval.
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Old 11-03-2013, 11:08 PM   #37
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'You don't leave a territory/retire/leave a promotion without putting the next man over'.


I don't know, I remember Taker shitting on people for not 'doing the job'. Now he's above it?


You know I have a profound level of respect for you Destor, but I have to call bullshit on this not being good for business. I mean, think about this from behind the curtain. What's the last lesson Taker can teach the entire Locker room in 30 minutes and three seconds? that NOBODY is beyond advancing the business, and the bigger picture is that the next star should be made by the current star.
it's not that *taker* is above it its that the streak is a very unique thing. nothing llike this has existed before and nothing like it ever will again. this has the potential to generate money decades after his retirement. you cant over look that. in wrestling i've always said this to guys training: "theres only one absolute rule in wrestling: there are exceptions to every rule. except that one." and its always true. there's always one situation that trumps otherwise absolute rules. the streak exists outside of the job rule. and its not for ego its the bottom line. theres too much money on the line to have him lay down, even if he wanted to i would hope they wouldnt let him.
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Old 11-03-2013, 11:42 PM   #38
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No one should end the streak.
You never know how long you have with the one they decide to be the "chosen one" if they do.
Exactly this.

I was once of the mind that if they chose to end the streak, it should be someone who could stand to get an astronomical rub and that they plan to build the company around in some capacity in the future (not saying they'd be "the" guy, but a main event fixture in time to come). This is why someone like Cena should NEVER do it if they decide to pull that trigger: he doesn't need it.* Someone who, at that moment, would gain the most out of being handed such a HUGE mantle.

However, there are too many things that would likely go wrong. They can pick a guy who they think is money, but is a backstage cancer, or a mark for himself, or is just unlucky enough to have a massive derailing injury. They might pick someone who they set up but is doomed to fail, like Chris Masters, or someone way too green like Big E. They could have a guy who is over, gets the rub, and all those stars line up... and then they decide to go in another direction by the next PPV and they wasted a perfectly good moment one somone they suddenly decided to give up on. They could do something to completely mar the streak ending (like WCW did with Goldberg's undefeated streak end) and waste it with some stupid screw job. They could even have the idea to Hornswoggle the damn angle.

No, the streak should remain intact. It was one of those things that organically happened and a damn decent legacy for one of your oldest and most steadfast workhorses/leaders. Also, there's only a narrow window of "doing it right" and so many ways to screw this up.

Besides, Bryan really doesn't need it. As much as people like to deny blatant facts because he isn't 3-5 inches taller, he is insanely over. People love him. Even if he decided to be asshole heel again, at this point, the streak wouldn't really do anything for him.



*It is also why it was a good idea to have Cena be the first guy to ever fail to cash in. This doesn't hurt him in the least. If Sandow were first, that's something that could have potentially hampered his career by perception of it becoming his claim to infamy.
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It's not about NEEDING it, it's about will it help him become iconic?
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There are plenty of other ways one can become iconic. For example, SCSA became iconic when he passed out instead of tapping out. Wasn't even a victory, but it cemented him as "the toughest S.O.B.". A live mic and open airtime worked for both C.M. Punk AND The New Age Outlawz. Jeff Hardy became synonymous with really tall ladders. The "YES!" thing is all him like the RVD thumb pointy thing.

If you mean iconic as one of the most prolific superstars in WWE, that can still come without a 'Mania victory over The Deadman. None of the "legendary" people have become so by breaking the streak, why should this need to change for Danielson?
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