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Old 07-03-2004, 03:30 PM   #41
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Did you mean to put that question mark or is that just a suggestion to them? The latter makes most sense to me.
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Old 07-03-2004, 04:29 PM   #42
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Old 07-03-2004, 08:45 PM   #43
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Old 07-03-2004, 09:37 PM   #44
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Billy Gunn talented? Are you having a laugh? I think the only good singles match he has ever had in his career was against Triple H back in 99/2000 (I really can't remember exactly) and it sure has hell wasn't Billy doing the carrying. He has failed to have watchable matches with guys who could have 3* matches with just about anyone on the roster, and honestly, they are not the ones at fault. NAO got over by Road Dogg's charisma out of the ring, and his ability to take a beating so that Billy Gunn got the hot tag. Simple tag formula. Keep in mind, that Billy Gunn lost all of his pops as soon as he ditched the Mr.Ass persona, because the marks cheered him simply because he had Ass in his name, and he had good in-ring charisma. Once he became The One or whatever else they tried, people lost interest. Also, to say he was more over than Benoit was when he got the title is ridiculous. Unless your talking about 4 or 5 years ago, by Benoit standards today. He may well go down as a great tag wrestler, but lets be honest, how many "classic" New Age Outlaws matches can you remember? What about the Smoking Gunns? Or all the million other Tag Teams he's been in. It would really be no loss what so ever for the company, especially when you have 2 guys who refuse to put young emerging talent over, designed for the BENEFIT of the company. Besides, Billy Gunn is going absolutely nowhere right now.

As for Bob Holly, better reactions than RVD? Are you deaf as well as dumb? Holly got the biggest reactions of his life facing someone who was the biggest heel in the company, and hey lets not mention the fact the fans rallied against him, purely because he was in a position on the card, he really didn't deserve to be in. As for getting the fans into his matches.... no, just no. He has had reactions for being against the biggest heel in the company, and for being in Hardcore matches. Anyone can get a reaction in a Hardcore match by hitting someone with a garbage can, it takes talent to make the match better than just "hitting people with a bunch of weapons thrown all over the place" which is pretty much what Hardcore Bob did. As for your argument about entertainment vs sport..... "entertainment" doesn't sell PPV's, the propsect of good wrestling matches does. Besides, Bob isn't even a good entertainer. He sucks in the ring, he has zero charisma, he is a bully, he, like Gunn, would be no loss to the WWE what so ever,
But you never answered my questions. Have you run a successful wrestling promotion? Why do you think Hardcore Holly and Billy Gunn have lasted so long? If you used the sports part to gain fans, all you'd receive are the internet smarks going to see some good wrestling. Vince McMahon has run a successful wrestling promotion because he listens to what the marks want.

The prospect of good matches doesn't draw as well as entertainment. The well built up matches do. An Undertaker vs. JBL would potentially draw more than a Chris Benoit vs. Chris Jericho match if JBL vs. The Undertaker was built up correctly. Entertainment is what the marks want sadly, and that is what they are getting.

I was referring to Hardcore Holly getting fans into matches with moves like his dropkick. I swear, I can remember many occasions where EVERYONE in the arena was on their feet after Hardcore hit a dropkick (and no, they weren't leaving). At The Great American Bash RVD got basically no entrance reaction. Hardcore Holly's beaten that, so that makes my statement "He gets bigger reactions than Rob Van Dam at times." true. Watch some Hardcore Holly matches and listen for the crowd reactions. He gets more than what people give him credit. I didn't say Hardcore compares to Chris Benoit now, I meant prior to Benoit's mega-push, if you put both guys into a ring, Hardcore would have gotten the bigger pops. BTW, how can we say Chris Benoit deserves a push more than Holly. I know that sound stupid at first, because Benoit is a MUCH better wrestler. Some of us would say it is like comparing Moses to Judas. But in all fairness, while Benoit was working for a company trying to put WWE out of business, Holly was in their working his ass off trying to help the WWE stay afloat. Then in comes Benoit and we expect him to get more than Holly? I like Benoit's skills 100x more, but in all fairness, Holly is more loyal to the WWE than most guys (same with Gunn).

Billy Gunn is talented. He is more athletic than 80% of the world, but wrestles a different style from most. If you want to see technical stuff, WWE may not be the place for you. Wrestling has changed, now the guy that gets better reactions (Billy Gunn) deserves more than the guy that can wrestle (Ultimo Dragon) in the WWE's eyes sadly. When Billy Gunn went to "The One" gimmick, he was still getting better reactions than most of the roster. The fans like him because he puts so much energy and effort into his matches.

BTW, I'm dumb for voicing my opinion that sides with a promotion that's made billions of dollars instead of a couple of internet fans who probably haven't even come close to that much money (no offense intended, but it's true).
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Old 07-04-2004, 04:12 AM   #45
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If Hardcore Holly was loyal to the wwe he would stop whining and start helping the company get people over.
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Old 07-04-2004, 06:18 AM   #46
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they are not that great, if they want to leave, why not?
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Old 07-04-2004, 11:16 AM   #47
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No offense to anyone here, but how many of us have run a successful wrestling promotion?
No offense, but what the fuck has that got to do with it?
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Old 07-04-2004, 11:38 AM   #48
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Well they have not left yet, both of them were in North Bay Ontario last night for a house show. Both lost their matches though...
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Old 07-04-2004, 11:44 AM   #49
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