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Old 01-26-2015, 11:59 AM   #1241
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Rusev is more ready then Reigns, or at least he has someone who can speak for him. Rusev also doesn't feel like "Cena 2.0"
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Old 01-26-2015, 12:02 PM   #1242
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But we knew going in they were gonna try to make a guy who isn't ready

Rusev would have if nothing else been a more interesting choice and a reason to kinda go okay where is this going the backlash might've been bad but it would not have been page crashing mainstream news worthy levels out rage
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Daniel Bryan would have been my first choice to win the rumble.
Rusev would have been my second.
Reigns my third but only because they haven't built anyone else up like him the whole year.
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Old 01-26-2015, 12:07 PM   #1244
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I think Bryan would have been unanimously considered the best choice. Of the next two though, I think at gunpoint I'd still take Reigns over Rusev. Can see the argument for Rusev though, just personally I think Reigns is more ready than him at this point.
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I think the Rumble pissed off god too seeing as how RAW might not be on tonight
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I can't pick Reigns over Rusev because I forsee 2 months of "Jack and the Beanstalk" promos.
Brock vs Rusev also feels better to me from a wrestling stand point.
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Will Reigns really be painted as an underdog against Lesnar? Obviously Lesnar is a beast but Reigns has always been booked as the superman/muscle (going back to Shield) kind of figure. I think painting him as trying to "prove he can handle" Brock would be the wrong approach.

Of course, like you said, Rusev matches up physically moreso than Reigns, but Reigns should be booked to be on Brock's level if they want to salvage this thing at all.
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I think they will be booked as equals, reigns only has one pinfall loss in his career.

They need him to connect more with the fans, I think him acknowledging the boos tonight on raw would be a step in that direction instead of WWEs usual plan of "Ignore it and it will go away".

I wish they would give him the mic with no promo written up and tell him to speak from the heart about last night and how he feels.
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I was at the show last night, and like Vito said, it was obvious that WWE just wanted to get Bryan outta the way so Roman can have a better shot of being cheered in the second half.

The Rumble should be used to get multiple people over, but instead it hindered several performers at the expense of Reigns, who was literally being boo'd so badly that I could barely hear his music in the arena.

I just wanted to mention how fucking awfully thought out this Rumble was, and list some guys who were truly screwed:

Reigns - The obvious one. Fucking wow. What are they doing to do this guy? He has a great look, seems to have a great head on his shoulders, and was developing nicely until around Summerslam. Also, it's fairly obvious that his opponent for WM is Lesnar, who has now been turned into the #1 babyface in the company. It wasn't like Lesnar was just cheered by a bunch of loud smarks, but the WWE wrote him as a babyface last night. If Reigns goes up against Lesnar at this point, with Lesnar leaving the next day, it has potential to get ugly very fast.

Ambrose - What the fuck? His only purpose in this match was similar (but to a much lesser extent obviously) to the Rock's. His popularity was attempted to get Reigns over with the crowd as they fought off Show and Kane at the end. Completely forgettable performance, but not due to a lack of effort by Dean, but because it was his job to throw punches for 10 minutes and then be "Roman's boy" in the final moments. Just fucking lame. No direction, no nothing. Literally tossed out like a piece of garbage by a duo of wrestlers who don't need any sort of rub, especially one at the Royal Rumble.

Ziggler - Ok so he wasn't booked to win it, fine. But why not have him come out a bit earlier and let this guy have a nice performance? I know the answer, and it's because WWE went out of their way to make Dolph look average to make Reigns look great. Two months ago, Dolph just beat the Authority. Last night, he lasted in the Rumble for 3 minutes. What the fuck is going on here?

Bryan - Vito hit the nail on the head. Essentially Bryan would have the first half of the Rumble, be eliminated, and Roman would have the second half in hopes of helping his cause. It made things even worse. Bryan was the most over guy in the match by a mile, not just in Philly, but anywhere, and he was out within 12 minutes. Not to mention, his elimination sets up no future storyline or direction.

Wyatt - What a first half he had. Showcased amazingly, bitching people out. I loved it. Then when the Roman Reigns Show began, he was completely lost in the shuffle, and tossed out by the Authority. What? So Wyatt has a monster performance, and we can't even get a babyface (please not named Roman), to dump him over the ropes? Why couldn't Ambrose get an ounce of heat back from the Wyatt feud and have a fun spot with him? Why couldn't Wyatt's WM opponent start some shit with him here? Just fucking brutal

Rusev - So, WWE couldn't let Roman and Rusev each grab a corner of the ring for all of 10 seconds so commentary and the audience (TV and arena) can establish that "These are our final two participants"? Instead, Rusev runs in the ring like a total goofball, runs into the Spear and tossed over the ropes before anyone can process, "Wow this Rusev guy is legit, making it to the finals in the Rumble."

I honestly think that last night may have been the worst booked Rumble match in history. I can't recall a worse one. Not only did the wrong wrestler win, but they did it at the expense of so many people

Anyways, I also wanted to point out how fucking awesome that triple threat was. Just wow, whatta match. Great stories told all around, lots of fun spots, tons of emotion by everyone involved. I loved every minute of it.

Cena did a great job here, Lesnar is just amazing, and Rollins is a star. This match could not have been any better. Excellent booking (I personally enjoyed the Lesnar face-turn spots, but it's truly baffling why Reigns is the one going after him this Mania season), and literally had me guessing until the very end.

Amazing how WWE can do such a perfect job orchestrating their show from 9:00-10:00 PM, and then completely shit the bed in the final hour. It truly does feel like there's two minds with totally different visions operating the machine.
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I think they will be booked as equals, reigns only has one pinfall loss in his career.

They need him to connect more with the fans, I think him acknowledging the boos tonight on raw would be a step in that direction instead of WWEs usual plan of "Ignore it and it will go away".

I wish they would give him the mic with no promo written up and tell him to speak from the heart about last night and how he feels.
Really, if what comes of this is they allow Reigns free reign (ha ha ha) on his promo work, it could be a blessing in disguise. Let's see some silver lining here baby
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Old 01-26-2015, 12:40 PM   #1251
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Honestly, I'd be happy if they scrapped the Rumble. This isn't an instant backlash to last night, but I said in another thread recently that the last time I actually enjoyed a Rumble match was 2011, and before that, probably 2006 or something.

The problem is, and what made 2011's so amazing, is that the choreography is just so shit. 2011, basically every single entrant had a spot prepared. Everyone came in, there were sequences everywhere, hell, even Chavo Guerrero got a pop from the crowd.

This Rumble, same as last years, and the year before etc, is just bland and boring as fuck. People come in, brawl, get eliminated in boring and uninteresting ways. Like Pierre said, Dean Ambrose, one of the top five babyfaces right now, just basically came out and threw punches for ten minutes. Same a Ziggler. Same as Reigns. Same as everyone else.

No disrespect to the man, but when the highlight of the Rumble is Bubba Ray fucking Dudley appearing, you know the match has well and truly ran it's course.
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Old 01-26-2015, 01:37 PM   #1253
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The biggest thing that Rusev would have going for him winning the Rumble instead of Reigns is that Lesnar could quite easily go into that match as the badass babyface. The fans already went apeshit for him the last 2 times he's appeared. And they probably will for him against Reigns all while the announcers try to portray Reigns as a conquering hero slaying the evil beast.
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Old 01-26-2015, 01:43 PM   #1254
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Honestly, I'd be happy if they scrapped the Rumble. This isn't an instant backlash to last night, but I said in another thread recently that the last time I actually enjoyed a Rumble match was 2011, and before that, probably 2006 or something.

The problem is, and what made 2011's so amazing, is that the choreography is just so shit. 2011, basically every single entrant had a spot prepared. Everyone came in, there were sequences everywhere, hell, even Chavo Guerrero got a pop from the crowd.

This Rumble, same as last years, and the year before etc, is just bland and boring as fuck. People come in, brawl, get eliminated in boring and uninteresting ways. Like Pierre said, Dean Ambrose, one of the top five babyfaces right now, just basically came out and threw punches for ten minutes. Same a Ziggler. Same as Reigns. Same as everyone else.

No disrespect to the man, but when the highlight of the Rumble is Bubba Ray fucking Dudley appearing, you know the match has well and truly ran it's course.
Everything was choreographed beautifully for the first half of last night's Rumble. Bubba, the Dudley spots with Truth, the Wyatt Family stuff, Bray Wyatt tearing through a few jobbers including a Boogeyman mystery appearance, Bryan looking great when he first came in, DDP with Diamond Cutters for everybody, etc.

After Bryan was eliminated, it was almost like they stopped even trying. Yes the crowd were always going to sour after it happened, but literally nothing interesting happened after Bryan went out. The only spot I can remember after Bryan went out was the Kofi/Rosebuds. Everything else was just a disjointed mess.
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Instead of trying to give Roman Reigns a push by being a relative of someone ... which never gets over (Erik Watts, Lance Von Erich, Dustin Rhodes in WCW), they should acknowledge that people are not cheering for him. Try to acknowledge and use the heat that Reigns is already getting. Attempt to recreate the "Die Rocky Die"days.

Have McMahon come out with Reigns and Cena and say the truth, something along the line of:
"I am the only major organization for Pro Wrestling. I will favor who I want and f*ck you too if you dont like it."

But then again maybe that wont work either.
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Instead of trying to give Roman Reigns a push by being a relative of someone ... which never gets over (Erik Watts, Lance Von Erich, Dustin Rhodes in WCW), they should acknowledge that people are not cheering for him. Try to acknowledge and use the heat that Reigns is already getting. Attempt to recreate the "Die Rocky Die"days.

Have McMahon come out with Reigns and Cena and say the truth, something along the line of:
"I am the only major organization for Pro Wrestling. I will favor who I want and f*ck you too if you dont like it."

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The biggest letdown of the night is that outside of establishing Lesnar-Reigns they have planted zero seeds for other Mania matches. The Rumble historically setups a handful of storylines and we didn't even get that.

Aside from that, we've only got ourselves to blame.

How many months has it been in the Dirtsheets that they see Reigns as the new Cena and they'll be pushing him to a Main Event spit against Lesnar? 4 months? 6?

Yet we convinced ourselves that something else was gonna happen. Bryan came back and the story of him never losing the title and a David vs Goliath battle with Lesnar at Mania, and getting the Rumble win he should have got last year.

Ziggler and the shine he got from his Survivor Series win. Rusev and the momentum he's gained. Ambrose and his getting over in the interim during Reigns' injury. Wyatt and his re-established push.

Seth being added to the title match, the added dynamic of the briefcase, the potential of Orton getting involved with him. The potential of Undertaker getting involved with Lesnar.

They delivered exactly what we should have expected.
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The biggest letdown of the night is that outside of establishing Lesnar-Reigns they have planted zero seeds for other Mania matches. The Rumble historically setups a handful of storylines and we didn't even get that.
Sure we did........Stardust vs Golddust
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Aside from that, we've only got ourselves to blame.



How many months has it been in the Dirtsheets that they see Reigns as the new Cena and they'll be pushing him to a Main Event spit against Lesnar? 4 months? 6?


They delivered exactly what we should have expected.

This right here is the problem.



As I eluted to last night in a roundabout way, if Duke The Dumpster Drose eliminated Reigns, the place would have popped. Not nearly loud enough had it been Daniel Bryan of course, but they certainly wouldn't have booed him out of the building.

The fact that Reigns was anointed the backstage rub and then adding to it that his character development plainly is non-existent, the audience knew what was going to happen when the heavy favorite in our minds was gone. This would have been the perfect opportunity to do something different and give it to someone who worked for it.

Realistically, the only time in recent years where we got that true "Oh Shit" moment was Lesnar ending the streak. To which many feel, as do I, that should not have happened in the 1st place
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I think the biggest issue was the lackluster eliminations.... Like if Bryan/Ambrose/Ziggler had better eliminations/showings.... if their eliminations served some sort of "purpose" of setting up their angle/feuds going into Wrestlemania....
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i don't think anything they could have done would have changed the crowd's reaction to the finish with roman reigns winning. they just weren't going to buy it.
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As soon as DB was just dropped from elimination, and the boos rang out, I had a feeling it was going to be like last year. I guessed myself there might be an "accidental" elimination which would result in something but nope.
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Old 01-26-2015, 06:26 PM   #1269
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I agree, but the crowd wouldn't have been as dead.

The boos were inevitable.... but Reigns will get his cheers back when he goes back in front of a "normal" crowd.
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I do wonder what a casual fan thought of the boos during the Rumble match.
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I don't see how Reigns couldn't have won. He set an elimination record last year in the match. They established that he was a threat in this type of match last year and followed up on it this year.
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by that logic kane should have won the rumble the year after he set the elimination record.
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I think Daniel Bryan should start a heel "Jesus" gimmick.

When they had that video package earlier in the night, and cut to the close up of Bryan, I literally thought it was Jesus at first....

Now that he is "out of Mania", he should embrace his Jesus-likeness. He can be all "I was injured for your sins, but I was resurrected..." and turn "heel" by trying again to use his "followers" to weasel himself into the main event again, and then getting frustrated that it isn't working this year... and saying that the fans aren't true believers... and he will find some REAL true believers to help him...
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Even with DB eliminated which took me a back, I still had hope for the second half.

Just the way they had ANY threat other then Big Show/Kane look was just awful. Just Awful. Wyatt. Ambrose. Ziggler. Ryback. Basically anyone who had ANY sort of momentum or a reason to believe they had a chance to win were just thrown out as after thoughts. That's what pissed me off the most last night and I consider myself a pretty big Bryan fan. Even Wyatt's strong showing in first half was just shit down the toilet. Rumble is used to build people up, even if they don't win. (Reigns last year, Kane in 2001, Diesel that year he eliminated the most) That is what had me shaking my head.

After watching 2014 Rumble live didn't think could get dumber, but they did.

Sad thing is, as others said, ain't even Roman's fault and he will get the brunt of it.
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For me Show and Kane would have made sense if they would have shown Ziggler laid out in the back and Rollins limps out in number 30
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