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Old 03-28-2016, 11:05 PM   #641
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The Usos and the Wyatt's had some great contests for the tag team titles.
To quote a certain someone who got the evening's first victory tonight, ARE YOU SERIOUS, BRO?!
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Maybe it's all a big plan to get us 100% behind Shane and completely invested in that match so there can be done type of change!

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Usos/Wyatts did have some great contests. Not sure why it is being brought up.... but yeah...
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I hate how Roman's music plays when he comes out to take on HHH. Like fuck off. So phony. And it's not good music either. I get when Austin or Rock ran in and their music hit, it was like EPIC fucking music, so you make the exception. But Roman has the most generic music, he doesn't need to be played in when he's running out to have a bar room brawl with someone. He's not entering the ring for a match, he's coming in to fucking batter a dude. So stupid.
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Ending for tonight's RAW might be just as bad as last year's go home Mania show.
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Shane (if he beats Undertaker, next night on RAW): My first decree as showrunner of RAW is to make the Extreme Rules Main Event.... Roman Reigns vs HHH in a rematch from wrestlemania because I give the people what they want!
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Usos aren't boring cause of their matches, both guys are great athletes. Their problem is they haven't evolved at all since their debut. No character or personality whatsoever. No development, feuds, storylines etc... Nothing has defined them. Probably one of the biggest examples of what is wrong with the writing. They have been there for ages too
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Roman stands tall to end RAW...

...Roman loses at WM then?
Don't think either guy got a real last laugh type moment tonight.

They somehow managed to have a Reigns standing tall moment, a Triple H standing tall moment, and a draw all happen in one show for the WWE title feud tonight.
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Old 03-28-2016, 11:14 PM   #652
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It's kind of weird. You see all these guys with supposedly different gimmicks or "characters", different builds and different looks. And yet.... when you watch RAW, all of their matches look the same and all of their promos sound the same.
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Reigns is the same thing. He still comes out to the Shield music and is so fake and phony. Where is the guys personality? Where is the reason to invest in him?

A guy like Kevin Owens should have had a serious feud with build going into Mania. He is so great and his reactions and personality shine through everything he does.

Yet this vacuum is main eventing and he is lost in some semi-jobber ladder match.
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Reigns is the same thing. He still comes out to the Shield music and is so fake and phony. Where is the guys personality? Where is the reason to invest in him?
Unfortunately, these are the pitfalls of being a wank pheasant.

Roman's Shield attire, is the new generations answer to jorts.
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Old 03-28-2016, 11:17 PM   #655
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And I think the worst part about all of this, is people try act like it's the "PG Era" that's killing the product. That's a load of shit. You can have compelling PG television. All PG-13 or 18A rating means is more blood and more swearing, which in itself can come across as hamfisted.

PG doesn't mean unfocused, careless and uncreative.
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It's kind of weird. You see all these guys with supposedly different gimmicks or "characters", different builds and different looks. And yet.... when you watch RAW, all of their matches look the same and all of their promos sound the same.
They don't have that though, do they? The best put together feud is Jericho/AJ and it's not even that great. It looks obvious that Jericho just pieced it together to give them a reason to feud too.

The rest of the card is so contrived and force. The only history behind any feud is Owens/Zayn and that happened in other promotions.

It's like they don't have ideas for original feuds and they don't have any stories to tell us.
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Another WM I feel very little interest in, but then again last year's show was really good. Let's see how it works out.
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It's obvious the build no longer has anything to do with Wrestlemania which is sad in itself, but at least it means it has no baring on whether or not the show will be good.
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I like how everybody seems to be surprised that a product that has been shit for months is still shit even going into the biggest show of the year.
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They don't have that though, do they? The best put together feud is Jericho/AJ and it's not even that great. It looks obvious that Jericho just pieced it together to give them a reason to feud too.

The rest of the card is so contrived and force. The only history behind any feud is Owens/Zayn and that happened in other promotions.

It's like they don't have ideas for original feuds and they don't have any stories to tell us.
Yeah the Jericho AJ feud comes across as 2 veterans trying to navigate through some horrific writing.

Jericho's anger doesn't make any sense... I don't get why he's more angry about the chants than he is about losing the best 2/3 series. I also don't get when when he turned on AJ he hit codebreakers and didn't just kick the fuck out of Styles (tho I guess only HHH is allowed to beat up Roman badly). He could have locked in the Walls for 5 minutes or something. Don't get me started on the commentators' reaction when he turned on styles. They may as well have been calling a dark match on Shotgun Saturday Night.

This is a company going through the motions because they can, and it's not going to change any time soon.
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I like how everybody seems to be surprised that a product that has been shit for months is still shit even going into the biggest show of the year.
Vito don't kid yourself, nobody is surprised. I think when watching it, it's still perplexing no matter what.
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Not even fussy, I will buy into anything. Zayn/Owens story was written. Have Ryback bully Kalisto in backstage segments and build up the sympathy. Have LoN constantly one up New Day with number advantage, hinting that a special partner will help then out at Mania.

Have the Andre Battle Royal for an IC title shot at next PPV and have a few guys promo about what that would mean to them.

Hint at Lynch/Charlotte jealousy at Sascha's reactions and the potential for an alliance to take her out of the match at Mania.

Have HHH hesitate before doing something particularly heinous to Reigns....put some questions around the match and what could happen.

Should have gone all out with Brock and Ambrose since the Rumble. Blood feud with pull apart brawls and hints of real craziness at Mania.

None of that is perfect, but it is something and that is all people are asking for. Give people a reason to care about what's happening.
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Not even fussy, I will buy into anything. Zayn/Owens story was written. Have Ryback bully Kalisto in backstage segments and build up the sympathy. Have LoN constantly one up New Day with number advantage, hinting that a special partner will help then out at Mania.

Have the Andre Battle Royal for an IC title shot at next PPV and have a few guys promo about what that would mean to them.

Hint at Lynch/Charlotte jealousy at Sascha's reactions and the potential for an alliance to take her out of the match at Mania.

Have HHH hesitate before doing something particularly heinous to Reigns....put some questions around the match and what could happen.

Should have gone all out with Brock and Ambrose since the Rumble. Blood feud with pull apart brawls and hints of real craziness at Mania.

None of that is perfect, but it is something and that is all people are asking for. Give people a reason to care about what's happening.
I don't know if I'd say if this stuff is as bad as like the dying days of WCW because at least the in ring work is good and the world title isn[t switching hands every RAW... but it's pretty paltry stuff. I'd liken the quality of storylines and energy to 1995 where there is no ZING to the product.

Week to week stuff doesn't really seem to matter.
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I agree totally. I just want interesting feuds. People seem to think that complaining is butthurt cause your favourite guy is not where you want him to be. I don't even have a favorite. I just want some interesting things happening from week to week. Entertaining TV and people grow and develop personalities. Everyone wins.

Like how generic can LoN actually be? It seems like a joke, but there they are, first ones out to separate the main event of Wrestlemania.

How can you possibly get something so wrong, that EVERY member of a stable suddenly drops a level of credibility just by being involved?

A strong Del Rio in a good feud would have added to this card.

Rusev came out in a TANK!! And look at him now....
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It takes too much effort to put forth a good product on the production and creative end when you really don't have to.
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Not even fussy, I will buy into anything. Zayn/Owens story was written. Have Ryback bully Kalisto in backstage segments and build up the sympathy. Have LoN constantly one up New Day with number advantage, hinting that a special partner will help then out at Mania.

Have the Andre Battle Royal for an IC title shot at next PPV and have a few guys promo about what that would mean to them.

Hint at Lynch/Charlotte jealousy at Sascha's reactions and the potential for an alliance to take her out of the match at Mania.

Have HHH hesitate before doing something particularly heinous to Reigns....put some questions around the match and what could happen.

Should have gone all out with Brock and Ambrose since the Rumble. Blood feud with pull apart brawls and hints of real craziness at Mania.

None of that is perfect, but it is something and that is all people are asking for. Give people a reason to care about what's happening.



We're not surprised, just disappointed. Though I guess it's partly on us to continue to hope the WWE can pull itself together. Definition of insanity, right? Expecting a different result from the same stuff?


At this point, literally the only selling point is that the writers have pulled rabbits out of hats the last two WM's with Bryan winning and Rollins cashing in. Honestly, short of Ambrose randomly turning on Reigns in the main event and costing him the title (after feigning to help him), there's nothing that can end the show on that high note and/or shocker that you expect from a WrestleMania.


Of course, if the World Title doesn't go on last, then there's also that.
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I feel like the days of Wrestlemania buildup being treated by the WWE like a big deal are over. What I mean is..they can probably still count on selling 70k in tickets 5 months before the show. They used to have to worry about convincing 1+ million people to plop down 60 bucks for the PPV in addition but now they probably realize there's not a lot of people they have to convince to buy the network and it's only 10 bucks even if they do. The majority of The money to be made on WM was made 5 months ago.
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I feel like the days of Wrestlemania buildup being treated by the WWE like a big deal are over. What I mean is..they can probably still count on selling 70k in tickets 5 months before the show. They used to have to worry about convincing 1+ million people to plop down 60 bucks for the PPV in addition but now they probably realize there's not a lot of people they have to convince to buy the network and it's only 10 bucks even if they do.
eggggzactly. And on the plus, if Mania is good like it has been the past couple of years, everyone forgets how shite the build is and we repeat the cycle. We're a hopeless breed, us wrasslin fans.
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WWE would probably be smart to stop including Mania in the network live and try and make it PPV again.
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I will say it is confusing that Mania can be so good while the build can be so shit.... doesn't that mean they could just have a good product leading into mania?
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Meltzer said WWE SERIOUSLY believed that Eva Marie would get cheered, and that the boos were just an NXT thing. I don't put much stock in DA SHEETZ stuff, but I want that to be true.

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Cue the CyNick to tell us it was only the vocal smarks booing in 3,2,1…
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Read the results seems like a "zzzzzz" raw. Posts seem to indicate that as well.
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I don't care if people boo her, when I see her she screams money to me.

I think they had it right in NXT, put her with a bodyguard type and limit her in ring work till she gets better.
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The Barclays has become smark central. Might have to ban them from the TV rotation.

In all seriousness they drew close to 15k for NXT, so clearly its a smark heavy crowd that would hate on Eva just cuz.
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