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Old 01-02-2022, 12:22 AM   #81
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This is why I believed people shitting on a Rock return. Entitled bastards will shit on anything. If Big E retained? “Why’d they even put Lesnar in the match?” Guaranteed.

They got hit hard by real life shit. They made decisions. One of them was to put their biggest star over in the main event. Deal with it.
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Old 01-02-2022, 12:26 AM   #82
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Or they could have just taken him out from the finish without him needing to actually win the belt since they set that up as a possibility a couple times during the match.

If Reigns' ends up being away longer than expected due to COVID, that 5-way set up two different roads for Lesnar with him vs. Lashley or him vs. Rollins & Owens as a mini-feud to buy some time while Big E goes on with whatever WWE's plans were for him with the belt after Day 1.

According to FOX, looks like the original plan was for Big E to retain his belt via their original results page they forgot to update before posting.

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Old 01-02-2022, 12:52 AM   #83
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Or they could have just taken him out from the finish without him needing to actually win the belt since they set that up as a possibility a couple times during the match.

If Reigns' ends up being away longer than expected due to COVID, that 5-way set up two different roads for Lesnar with him vs. Lashley or him vs. Rollins & Owens as a mini-feud to buy some time while Big E goes on with whatever WWE's plans were for him with the belt after Day 1.

According to FOX, looks like the original plan was for Big E to retain his belt via their original results page they forgot to update before posting.

Could just be a mistake. In fact, I’d bet it is. But Big E retaining would have made sense. It just didn’t given the circumstances.

They could have crowned an interim champion. They could have used it as an angle. They could have done a bunch of things. But this is what they WANTED to do. And it means something to some people. They saw a WWE Title change. It means more now it’s on Brock. And when does that end? The Rumble? On TV? That could be huge.

I just don’t agree with calling it a “panic move”. For all we know, Roman is out indefinitely. There could be seriously smart creative plans in place. I doubt this went over Heyman’s head. Just chill out and stop the “WWE Bad” narrative in this circumstance. They wanted a moment for a weird show. They may have a way in and out…or to run this further than any of us expect.
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Old 01-02-2022, 12:54 AM   #84
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Old 01-02-2022, 12:55 AM   #85
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Brock won the WWE Title. Now Big E is dead.
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Old 01-02-2022, 12:57 AM   #86
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Lol they should have taken advantage of Big E being black and make him cut promos on AEW while retaining the title.
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Old 01-02-2022, 01:16 AM   #87
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Could just be a mistake. In fact, I’d bet it is. But Big E retaining would have made sense. It just didn’t given the circumstances.

They could have crowned an interim champion. They could have used it as an angle. They could have done a bunch of things. But this is what they WANTED to do. And it means something to some people. They saw a WWE Title change. It means more now it’s on Brock. And when does that end? The Rumble? On TV? That could be huge.

I just don’t agree with calling it a “panic move”. For all we know, Roman is out indefinitely. There could be seriously smart creative plans in place. I doubt this went over Heyman’s head. Just chill out and stop the “WWE Bad” narrative in this circumstance. They wanted a moment for a weird show. They may have a way in and out…or to run this further than any of us expect.
They could have also just given Lesnar the night off due to Reigns' COVID issue and kept all their existing plans in place instead of screwing up whatever they had set for after Day 1.

Inserting a guy at the very last minute into a title match and giving him said title is a "panic move" and its not like WWE doesn't have a past history with these type of puzzling booking decisions whenever a serious wrench is thrown into their plans.

You probably thing Becky Lynch's title win at SummerSlam was this smart creative plan when both her and Bianca have mentioned in past interviews about it being a last minute decision once Sasha Banks was pulled from the show with no prior announcement given.

Plus "smart creative plans" and Bruce Prichard in charge of creative is an oxymoron at this point considering how bad WWE's overall booking has become ever since he took control, especially on the RAW side.
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They could have also just given Lesnar the night off due to Reigns' COVID issue and kept all their existing plans in place instead of screwing up whatever they had set for after Day 1.

Inserting a guy at the very last minute into a title match and giving him said title is a "panic move" and its not like WWE doesn't have a past history with these type of puzzling booking decisions whenever a serious wrench is thrown into their plans.

You probably thing Becky Lynch's title win at SummerSlam was this smart creative plan when both her and Bianca have mentioned in past interviews about it being a last minute decision once Sasha Banks was pulled from the show with no prior announcement given.

Plus "smart creative plans" and Bruce Prichard in charge of creative is an oxymoron at this point considering how bad WWE's overall booking has become ever since he took control, especially on the RAW side.
If they had done what you suggest, you’d be right on here talking about how WWE got hit by COVID and had to scrap matches and had nothing good planned. Sorry to make a hasty generalization, but it’s true. They can do no right in this situation with you.

What were their plans for Day 1? And how do they pertain to a WrestleMania that may or may not happen as planned? Please tell. You don’t know. Imagine you are actually in this situation. You’re actually in it. Roman Reigns might die. Who fucking knows? You’re sitting on here claiming that they’re making hasty decisions creatively because they’re idiots. Cool. Maybe they know a bit more about the health situation, and maybe they’ve got a Plan B? Maybe they just wanted to get through an administrative nightmare with a way out should things be okay? You don’t fucking know.

If Adam Page calls in sick because he has an infant daughter, that company is going to get endless praise from you. Who cares what they did and didn’t advertise, good old AEW for letting a sick man stay at home. At least they didn’t…what? Do what WWE did?

This shit throws things into the air. For whatever you want to say about them, their plan for Roman/Brock was seemingly set. Now it’s in question. Idiots! Haha! Fuck them! Why would they make things DIFFERENT in the wake of this nonsense? Morons.

Just shut the fuck up about this and let it play out. I don’t know why you’re projecting Becky Lynch into this. It’s got literally nothing to do with it.
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Jesus Christ, the fuck you go on this long tangent all because I didn't like the ending to the WWE title match nor the idea of killing Big E's reign in favor of just slapping the belt on Lesnar again.

You just wanted to bitch because someone didn't like how WWE handled the booking of Lesnar's late addition and the title match ending Are you bitching at everyone else on Twitter and online who's also upset over it, some who are upset that this was a piss poor way to end Big E's reign and others pointing out something similar happened to Kofi's reign when WWE had a popular new champ that they could have built up as a big new star going forward.

You complain that I don't know anything about what WWE has for creative but guess what, you don't either regardless of how much you try to portray yourself on these forums as someone who's smarter than everyone else here and online who has different views than you. You even think your smarter than experts when it comes to ratings stuff all because they say stuff that doesn't comprehend with your warped mind.

Seeing as just don't actually watch the shows and just claim you know all from reading results or whatever people are saying online, you should have noticed that Sasha Banks case was the last time WWE did something similar when it came to pulling someone off the show at the last minute involving a high profile match.

Take the advice about shutting the fuck up and apply it to yourself as well.

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Old 01-02-2022, 02:23 AM   #91
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Actually fuck it, I'm putting this on the line unless your that much of a wuss to accept.

1 year ban from the forums for whoever is wrong about this situation since Fightful Select very likely will have news about why WWE decided to give Lesnar the belt soon.

Your claim is this is some sort of smart creative plan or a Plan B they have thought out going forward.

My claim is this is panic booking or something they did at the last minute with little to no care what they had planned before.

Edit: I'm going to sleep now since engaging with you has given me a big headache and for my own health's sake. You have 24 hours, if you refuse, the forums will forever know you as the giant wuss who is all talk and no bark.
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Old 01-02-2022, 03:17 AM   #93
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Having all the black wrestlers lose the day after all that AEW lack of diversity stuff is probably not the best timing. AEW should run with it.
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Wait, Big E dropped the belt randomly as a knee jerk reaction to the Lesnar Reigns match getting canceled? Lmaoooooo any argument for Big E getting shafted is easily shot down by the fact that they didn’t have to put Lesnar in the match. It’s the same shit they did with Bianca. Not as bad. But still. Cutting the legs of your babyface champs with dumb last minute decisions is interesting booking to say the least.
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Having all the black wrestlers lose the day after all that AEW lack of diversity stuff is probably not the best timing. AEW should run with it.
They could’ve really rubbed it in by booking all their black wrestlers to win. What an easy way to stick it to the other guy.
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Fucking terrible… there was no need for that.
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Wait, Big E dropped the belt randomly as a knee jerk reaction to the Lesnar Reigns match getting canceled? Lmaoooooo any argument for Big E getting shafted is easily shot down by the fact that they didn’t have to put Lesnar in the match. It’s the same shit they did with Bianca. Not as bad. But still. Cutting the legs of your babyface champs with dumb last minute decisions is interesting booking to say the least.

You can still have him in the match and not eat the pin too. They could have had Big E not take the fall, but they did.


Personally, I understand the draw of the Brock Lesnar name. At the same time it's more "oh, it's this again". I find the idea of a Big E title reign more intriguing than Lesnar because we've seen Lesnar here before, for a VERY LONG TIME and its all rehashed, he just has a cute pony tail as a mid life crisis from going bald is all.


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They could’ve really rubbed it in by booking all their black wrestlers to win. What an easy way to stick it to the other guy.
make moose the belt collector let him take the wwe belt and the aew belt.
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Old 01-02-2022, 10:19 AM   #99
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How long is Roman out? If its for awhile then I get it. Put Brock on both shows with the title instead of sitting on Smackdown! beating up the Usos for 6 months.
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Smackdown revolved around Reigns. Brock needs someone to feud with. Now Lashley or Rollins/Owens can fill that gap while Big E, hopefully, continues to dominate.
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Well, depends.


CDC protocol is now 5 days after a + test and if you're asymptomatic, another 5 days with a mask. if symptomatic, then isolate an additional 5 days.


Given how this has been a lingering issue for a while, who knows what they're actual protocols are. Hopefully, they don't fuck around.
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Old 01-02-2022, 10:32 AM   #102
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It was a panic move because obviously Reigns/Lesnar was the big main event and not only did Covid kill that it put the Rumble main event up in the air as well. It sucks but it can be "fixed" by WM By having Lashley, Big E or Lesnar win the actual RR.

They can have Roman interfere in the Lesnar/Big E or Lesnar/Lashley match to cost Lesnar the title which can lead to Lashley/Big E and Roman/Lesnar.
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There is potential. Roman is obviously the guy. Having Brock beat the rest of the main eventers to job to Roman after will put him on the John Cena level.
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Old 01-02-2022, 12:54 PM   #104
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Fightful reporting Drew McIntyre has a legit neck injury post Day 1
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Kind of what they have been wanting for years
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The reports I've seen say he's been nursing the injury for a few weeks and the post match attack by Corbin was a way to right him off to get treatment.
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Jesus Christ, the fuck you go on this long tangent all because I didn't like the ending to the WWE title match nor the idea of killing Big E's reign in favor of just slapping the belt on Lesnar again.
No, it’s not because you didn’t like the ending of the title match. Don’t try and misrepresent this. It’s because of your eye-rolling and attempt to represent this as an objectively bad idea. There’s a difference between “I don’t like this” and “this is a panic move because the WWE doesn’t know what it’s doing.” I’m calling you out on the latter.

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You just wanted to bitch because someone didn't like how WWE handled the booking of Lesnar's late addition and the title match ending Are you bitching at everyone else on Twitter and online who's also upset over it, some who are upset that this was a piss poor way to end Big E's reign and others pointing out something similar happened to Kofi's reign when WWE had a popular new champ that they could have built up as a big new star going forward.
Dafuq are you going on about here? Smokescreen and a half. Again, I’m calling you out for being a reactionary moron. Not liking something is not the same thing as saying it is bad.

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You complain that I don't know anything about what WWE has for creative but guess what, you don't either regardless of how much you try to portray yourself on these forums as someone who's smarter than everyone else here and online who has different views than you. You even think your smarter than experts when it comes to ratings stuff all because they say stuff that doesn't comprehend with your warped mind.
Meltdown mode. I don’t know what WWE has planned for this situation. That’s why I’m not critiquing it on the face of it. Yet. And yeah, I’m smarter than 95% of people on these forums. That’s not hard to achieve. Lol, “experts?” Dave Meltzer is not an expert. The things I claim about ratings are common sense. Do you think they’re incorrect? How about arguing about that in the appropriate thread instead of doing what every other ass-lick I embarrass on here does and cry that big scary Noid is wrong instead of actually providing any evidence.

Experts, folks. Experts. Don’t listen to what I say, because experts disagree. I am the expert, you cunt.

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Seeing as just don't actually watch the shows and just claim you know all from reading results or whatever people are saying online, you should have noticed that Becky Lynch case was the last time WWE did something similar when it came to pulling someone off the show at the last minute involving a high profile match.

Take the advice about shutting the fuck up and apply it to yourself as well.
Dafuq is this point? Becky came back at SummerSlam and beat Bianca, right? That was a good move. Becky is still the champion now. I don’t get this point. You’re just flailing around in time and space saying anything.
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Actually fuck it, I'm putting this on the line unless your that much of a wuss to accept.

1 year ban from the forums for whoever is wrong about this situation since Fightful Select very likely will have news about why WWE decided to give Lesnar the belt soon.

Your claim is this is some sort of smart creative plan or a Plan B they have thought out going forward.

My claim is this is panic booking or something they did at the last minute with little to no care what they had planned before.

Edit: I'm going to sleep now since engaging with you has given me a big headache and for my own health's sake. You have 24 hours, if you refuse, the forums will forever know you as the giant wuss who is all talk and no bark.
Lol, what the fuck is this? Is this you attempting to be threatening?

First, you don’t command that respect. Never have; never will, bitch. Giving people time limits to respond to your childish demands? Get the fuck out of here. Secondly, you’re a moron that is going to warp anything to fit your narrative anyway. If Dave Meltzer calls this a shit move, you’re going to treat it as objective fact. [I]That is the actual problem with your uncritical ass.

The WWE will get through WrestleMania, do what they’re gonna do, and you’re still going to call it insane. You’re going back and doing the same thing with Becky and Bianca now. You’re a mark. You need to be told what to think. But sure, go ahead and ban yourself when WWE ends up doing something with this situation, hero. I’m going to tea-bag you over this forever. You did this to yourself, moron.
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Actually, when have you ever admitted you’re wrong. You just hide behind other people standing up for you saying that they’re not actually your ideas and you’re just sharing the stupidity. I think I’m going to start dunking on your ass more for this shit. I say that because you won’t accept your self-imposed ban when things turn out the way they do.
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Old 01-02-2022, 03:12 PM   #110
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It was clear that Brock was winning the moment he was added to the match - aside from the fact that it's Brock Lesnar, if you book a babyface in a replacement match, you book them to go over in the hope that the audience are so excited by it that they overlook the fact they didn't get the advertised match. The problem is that they booked him to pin the babyface champion in the process, rather than one of the other three men in the match - two of which are heels that have lost to Brock before and can weather the storm - rather than protecting Big E.

I had no expectation for Big E to keep the title past the Rumble anyway - it's Wrestlemania season, the cards need to be reshuffled to get the Proper Stars involved - but losing it clean and unprotected doesn't suggest any real intention to keep him in the title picture or give him any meaningful forward momentum.
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Big E won the title 9/13. He then

- Lost to Roman in a triple threat and Bloodline in trios 9/20
- Lost to Usos by countout 10/10
- Lost to Rollins/Usos 11/15
- Lost to Roman at Survivor Series
- Lost to Owens by DQ 11/29
- Lost to Lashley 12/13
- Loses title to Brock at Day 1
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I’ve never seen a more delusional combination of stupidity and arrogance than Noid. Peak Droford doesn’t even hold a candle.
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Old 01-02-2022, 04:39 PM   #117
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lollllll dying at this sentence. You should get it on a T-shirt.
Will do. I’ll get a discount on them when I also print my “Noid’s Bitch” shirt for Smeat to wear all year long.

I mean, this thread has got nothing to do with the ratings, but since he brought them up: What’s something I’ve ever said that’s wrong about them? He just can’t handle that I don’t scoop up Daddy Meltzer’s bullshit and can actually think for myself.

Brock Lesnar winning the WWE Title is not the end of the world, folks. Big E is still getting paid as much today as he was yesterday. Brock is a bigger star and better talent at this point. They had Brock pin Big E on purpose. It was a deliberate decision. You may not like it, but to act like this is wildly off the rails is just childish, and anyone can see that. They’re just tantrums because WWE bad and they didn’t book the way me want.
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How many pages could this Noid and peak Droford go?

I think they're both boring but enough people would egg them on for a bit.
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Dafuq is this point? Becky came back at SummerSlam and beat Bianca, right? That was a good move. Becky is still the champion now. I don’t get this point. You’re just flailing around in time and space saying anything.
My mistake, meant Sasha and not Becky. Becky was the one who came in at the last minute to win the SD Women's title while Sasha was the one who got pulled from the show.

Plus you have around 10 hours left to accept the bet since I'm not backing down at all while you seem to be that much of a wuss. Also since a banning is on the line, its an all or nothing to be right and no halfsies since that's a weeny way out. 6 months for halfsies and we both serve it if that happens.
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Somehow from his opinions, I get the impression that he is not going to accept a bet whose outcome relies on what the "sheetz" say.
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