MLB Season Thread - Page 17

**Jesus Shuttlesworth** · 10-03-2004, 03:30 AM

I really have no idea. I just think for some reason he will end up on the Giants. They could really use him plus that whole "Cali" thing I hear about all the time. I don't know though, I have never heard Nomar say he ever wanted to play in Cali, everyone just assumes it. Nomar is still one of my favorite players, I am not gonna be a bitch like a lot of other Red Sox fans and believe and the BS and hate Nomar or something.

**BCWWF** · 10-03-2004, 03:34 AM

Well the Giants don't really fit into the whole "Cali thing" because he was from the LA area if I'm not mistaken. SoCal and NoCal are pretty different. I'm not saying the Giants have no chance or aren't going for him, but I think what people refer to is the Dodgers and Angels.

**Jesus Shuttlesworth** · 10-03-2004, 03:49 AM

Yea that's true. Its still closer then most places though.

Like I said before that might not even be a factor at all, everyone assumes it is but I am starting to doubt it. I just think SF will pick him up, or maybe even the White Sox, but for some reason I don't see him saying with the Cubs.

**BCWWF** · 10-03-2004, 03:53 AM

I can't see the White Sox doing that. They only pick up guys that have no chance of helping them, for example Roberto Alomar and Carl Everett two years in a row. They looked like they were getting somewhere with Freddy Garcia...but nah...

**BCWWF** · 10-03-2004, 03:56 AM

Also, I can't see the Cubs losing a contract duel with their cross town rivals. I guess there are plenty of shortstops on the market this year, but they probably aren't going to get a guy better than Noma.

**DaveWadding** · 10-03-2004, 05:43 AM

If Nomar goes to the White Sux, I hope he dies.

**BCWWF** · 10-03-2004, 06:29 AM

Me too

**VonErich Lives** · 10-03-2004, 11:38 AM

Ahh, Miz, Miz, Miz... really... normally you know what you're talking about... but let me try and help ya out here...

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Miz

1. You manage to turn every baseball discussion into an attack on Nomar.
No, the Cubs lost today, this is a baseball thread, and Nomar was part of the team that lost, if you notice I called the whole team whiners, and so has everyone else. The accused the umps of conspiring against them, They want media banned from their clubhouse and want to replace their play-by-play guys because in a game where they couldn't hit the broad side of a barn, the announcers praised the other teams pitcher. I do relate this to Nomar and the crap he pulled here over his last year, Calling from his honeymoon to a local radio station to say the Sox hadn't given him a contract offer when they did (more then he's going to get), Telling the Sox he was going to want time off during the stretch run to rest himself and even stating he needed to be healthy for his free agent physical and he did accuse the grounds crew last year of "conspiring against him"

2. He was traded, that doesn't stop you from your "Nomar wanted out" and "Team cancer" hissyfits
Yes, he was traded and yes he wanted out and yes, he did bring down the team and they have played better without him... not sure how having an opinion = 'hissyfits'...

3. Los Angeles, California to my knowedge. You don't think there are hicks out there? I used to live in Oakland, there are rednecks all over California.
Well, since you can't even define what you think a redneck is, or a huge redneck as you've been saying, then this makes even less sense, cause you can't call someone something when you don't have a definition.

4. No and I don't give a shit.
Once again, a conversation you know nothing about and have no intrest, which kills any comments you had.

5. No, but Trot Nixon is one of the many people who is a Jesus Freak and a redneck.
Still, you have no deifition of Redneck, so this makes little sense...

6. I don't have one. What the hell does that have to do with anything?
See above, you're calling people "Rednecks" or "Huge Rednecks" but then saying you have no opinion on what one is. So, basiclly you're either calling them nothing, or using a word w/ no clue of the meaning.

7. "The Yankees buy championships :cry: " when the Red Sox have the 2nd highest payroll in the league. If the Red Sox lose, it's never their fault, it's always the Yankees fault.
Wow, I didn't think you could get any more clueless, The whole league has always said the Yanks buy championships. Red Sox fans stopped saying this once we got the new ownership who found ways to make more money and hence spend it, so No, Sox Fans don't cry that the Yanks buy championships, But the rest of the league does cry that the Yanks, Sox and I'll add Dodgers buy wins that the rest of the league even w/ the salary tax can't afford. However, (different subject) I blame some of that on the other owners who don't spend the luxury money they get on payroll. If the sox lose it's never their fault? WTF, you really are clueless... let's see... Buckner shouldn't have been in and they still had a game 7, Pedro shouldn't have been in last year... the list goes on. Only game I can really think of that wasn't 100% the Sox fault was the I think ALDS, maybe ALCS a few years back in fenway when there were 2 "phantom tags" that weren't even close to touching players in the base path and were called out. Those were bad calls.

Really Miz, I think you need to stick to things that you know about, this clearly isn't one of them. I mean, I'm sorry if nomar is your fav player and you sleep w/ his card under your pillow, or your a yankees fan who's afraid you might actually lose a playoff series to the Sox... but it's only a game, life does go on.

Nomar has talent, no question about that, when healthy he's a top 5, maybe even top 3 SS in the league. That being said, over the last few seasons he was a selfish player and the Sox did the right thing and got a good deal by trading him. The man is a whiner and paranoid, which I'm thinking the paranoid may somehow be tied to obsesive compulsive, but I don't know enough about the disorder to say that for sure. The cubs own media and fans are ripping the cubs, everyone from Baker who always gets accused of burning out his arms, Sosa who keeps shrinking and hitting less home runs, Nomar who missed key games in the stretch run... plus their whining... Jesus, go out and play and win, that's how you shut people up.

**VonErich Lives** · 10-03-2004, 11:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BCWWF

I can't see the White Sox doing that. They only pick up guys that have no chance of helping them, for example Roberto Alomar and Carl Everett two years in a row. They looked like they were getting somewhere with Freddy Garcia...but nah...

Gammons was saying that the Cubs are talking about not even offering Nomar a contract him because of injury risk.

I don't follow the NL closely, but what's the SS situation in SD? That might be a good fit for him.

**Yashamaga** · 10-03-2004, 02:35 PM

Future Gold Glover Khalil Greene

**The Outlaw** · 10-03-2004, 05:09 PM

LOL write an essay about it

**Apprentice** · 10-03-2004, 06:29 PM

O boy. Its set in the NL.
Cardinals vs Dodgers.
Braves vs Astros.

**BCWWF** · 10-03-2004, 06:32 PM

I would have liked the Cards and Dodgers to meet in the NLCS. Both should be good series' though.

**Rain Man** · 10-03-2004, 06:37 PM

I wished the fucking Cubs would of made the Wildcard

**House of Pancakes** · 10-03-2004, 06:45 PM

Did I read correctly on ESPN.com when they said the Yankees are facing Minnesota in the playoffs because the Twins "blew their home field advantage" with a split to Cleveland? I always thought it was the team with the best record against the wild card team, and the other two division leaders against each other. How is home field advantage determined?

**DegenerationY** · 10-03-2004, 07:00 PM

Giants

Also, I think the Giants ARE planning on spending some more money this off season than usual - but I don't think they're in the market for Nomar (as great as it would be). The infield is already crowded (Feliz and Snow can't keep platooning), so there may be some internal movement first. Deivi Cruz was pretty money this year, but he's not in the long term plans. Feliz will probably start at third, with Alfonso possibly moving to Shortstop...

But hopefully that won't happen - they should rid themselves of that shitty player.

I heard the Giants were trying tog et Jermaine Dye, which doesn't make sense seeing as how they already have 203498 shitty role playing outfielders on the roster.

But it's time to make some bold moves, i'm just waiting to see if they're the right ones.

Giants

**DegenerationY** · 10-03-2004, 07:01 PM

Also, I hate every single NL team in the playoffs this year, and I strongly dislike most of the AL teams in the playoffs this year.

Go Boston.

**The Miz** · 10-03-2004, 07:10 PM

I expect Beane to make a shitload of moves for Oakland in the offseasom. These guys are definately gone:

Jermaine Dye
Mark Redman
Mark McLemore
Jim Mecir
Bobby Kielty

**Jesus Shuttlesworth** · 10-03-2004, 07:20 PM

Angels have the homefield advantage even though the Sox have a better record lol

**Loose Cannon** · 10-03-2004, 07:23 PM

I just want Sox/Yanks again. That should be the World Series match up. It should just end there.

**Apprentice** · 10-03-2004, 07:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by House of Pancakes

Did I read correctly on ESPN.com when they said the Yankees are facing Minnesota in the playoffs because the Twins "blew their home field advantage" with a split to Cleveland? I always thought it was the team with the best record against the wild card team, and the other two division leaders against each other. How is home field advantage determined?

It is like that, except when the best record and the wild card are in the same division. If thats the case, the wild card plays the 2nd best record, which in this case are the angels. This is baseball's way of setting up storybook matchups in the championship series ala Red Sox vs Yankees.

**The Outlaw** · 10-03-2004, 07:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DegenerationY

Giants

Also, I think the Giants ARE planning on spending some more money this off season than usual - but I don't think they're in the market for Nomar (as great as it would be). The infield is already crowded (Feliz and Snow can't keep platooning), so there may be some internal movement first. Deivi Cruz was pretty money this year, but he's not in the long term plans. Feliz will probably start at third, with Alfonso possibly moving to Shortstop...

But hopefully that won't happen - they should rid themselves of that shitty player.

I heard the Giants were trying tog et Jermaine Dye, which doesn't make sense seeing as how they already have 203498 shitty role playing outfielders on the roster.

But it's time to make some bold moves, i'm just waiting to see if they're the right ones.

Giants

cry about it

**House of Pancakes** · 10-03-2004, 08:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Apprentice

It is like that, except when the best record and the wild card are in the same division. If thats the case, the wild card plays the 2nd best record, which in this case are the angels. This is baseball's way of setting up storybook matchups in the championship series ala Red Sox vs Yankees.

Oh, interesting. That's kind of a dumb rule, but it kinda makes sense also.

**VonErich Lives** · 11-04-2004, 04:49 PM

Hey Hero, Remember before the season we disagreed on Vazquez, I called him a NL pitcher who wouldn't do as well in the AL, you disagreed...

here's his stats... who was right?

SEASON TEAM W L ERA G GS CG SHO IP H R ER HR HBP BB SO
2001 Expos 16 11 3.42 32 32 5 3 223.2 197 92 85 24 3 44 208
2002 Expos 10 13 3.91 34 34 2 0 230.1 243 111 100 28 4 49 179
2003 Expos 13 12 3.24 34 34 4 1 230.2 198 93 83 28 4 57 241
2004 Yankees14 10 4.91 32 32 0 0 198.0 195 114 108 33 11 60 150

Career Totals 78 78 4.26 224 223 16 6 0 --- 1427.1 1430 733 676 188 42 391 1226

I don't count wins, when you pitch for a hitting team like the yanks (same thing for Sox pitchers) ERA, SO, IP, Hits, ER...

**YOUR Hero** · 11-05-2004, 09:29 PM

I do remember us having that discussing...Well he's way better than his numbers showed this year. I don't know what to say about him. Big stage maybe? 'another weaver' But yeah, until he rebounds next year 'or whatever', you've got me.

**VonErich Lives** · 11-07-2004, 10:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by YOUR Hero

I do remember us having that discussing...Well he's way better than his numbers showed this year. I don't know what to say about him. Big stage maybe? 'another weaver' But yeah, until he rebounds next year 'or whatever', you've got me.

I think he is a good pithcer, I think part probably was the big stage abd that he'll get over, but there's a thing about an NL pitcher coming to the AL, unless it's one of the best (pedro, schill, RJ who was an AL pitcher)..

In the NL, you normally face 8 hitters and a pitcher and a lot of NL teams are built on speed/defense and you tend to face 5-7 real "hitters".

Where the AL, not just do you face a DH, but a DH is normally a .290+ 25HR+ type guy, so not just is it another hitter, it's a big power guy.

That was what I based my prediction off of. Plus, if it's an pitcher going to the AL East, it's even worse because there going to have teams like Boston and/or NY to deal w/ a few times a year, plus other AL teams like Angels, Baltimore.

10-03-2004, 03:30 AM	#641
Jesus Shuttlesworth Posts: 42,765	I really have no idea. I just think for some reason he will end up on the Giants. They could really use him plus that whole "Cali" thing I hear about all the time. I don't know though, I have never heard Nomar say he ever wanted to play in Cali, everyone just assumes it. Nomar is still one of my favorite players, I am not gonna be a bitch like a lot of other Red Sox fans and believe and the BS and hate Nomar or something.

10-03-2004, 03:34 AM	#642
BCWWF The People's Member Posts: 18,092	Well the Giants don't really fit into the whole "Cali thing" because he was from the LA area if I'm not mistaken. SoCal and NoCal are pretty different. I'm not saying the Giants have no chance or aren't going for him, but I think what people refer to is the Dodgers and Angels.

10-03-2004, 03:49 AM	#643
Jesus Shuttlesworth Posts: 42,765	Yea that's true. Its still closer then most places though. Like I said before that might not even be a factor at all, everyone assumes it is but I am starting to doubt it. I just think SF will pick him up, or maybe even the White Sox, but for some reason I don't see him saying with the Cubs.

10-03-2004, 03:53 AM	#644
BCWWF The People's Member Posts: 18,092	I can't see the White Sox doing that. They only pick up guys that have no chance of helping them, for example Roberto Alomar and Carl Everett two years in a row. They looked like they were getting somewhere with Freddy Garcia...but nah...

10-03-2004, 03:56 AM	#645
BCWWF The People's Member Posts: 18,092	Also, I can't see the Cubs losing a contract duel with their cross town rivals. I guess there are plenty of shortstops on the market this year, but they probably aren't going to get a guy better than Noma.

10-03-2004, 05:43 AM	#646
DaveWadding LIMITLESS Posts: 32,276	If Nomar goes to the White Sux, I hope he dies.

10-03-2004, 06:29 AM	#647
BCWWF The People's Member Posts: 18,092	Me too

10-03-2004, 02:35 PM	#650
Yashamaga The Franchise Posts: 7,368	Future Gold Glover Khalil Greene

10-03-2004, 05:09 PM	#651
The Outlaw Unofficial Legend Posts: 11,931	LOL write an essay about it

10-03-2004, 06:29 PM	#652
Apprentice You're Fired Posts: 338	O boy. Its set in the NL. Cardinals vs Dodgers. Braves vs Astros.

10-03-2004, 06:32 PM	#653
BCWWF The People's Member Posts: 18,092	I would have liked the Cards and Dodgers to meet in the NLCS. Both should be good series' though.

10-03-2004, 06:37 PM	#654
Rain Man MoeFREAK Posts: 1,682	I wished the fucking Cubs would of made the Wildcard

10-03-2004, 06:45 PM	#655
House of Pancakes Suicide's on the menu Posts: 914	Did I read correctly on ESPN.com when they said the Yankees are facing Minnesota in the playoffs because the Twins "blew their home field advantage" with a split to Cleveland? I always thought it was the team with the best record against the wild card team, and the other two division leaders against each other. How is home field advantage determined?

10-03-2004, 07:00 PM	#656
DegenerationY WARRIORS Posts: 9,414	Giants Also, I think the Giants ARE planning on spending some more money this off season than usual - but I don't think they're in the market for Nomar (as great as it would be). The infield is already crowded (Feliz and Snow can't keep platooning), so there may be some internal movement first. Deivi Cruz was pretty money this year, but he's not in the long term plans. Feliz will probably start at third, with Alfonso possibly moving to Shortstop... But hopefully that won't happen - they should rid themselves of that shitty player. I heard the Giants were trying tog et Jermaine Dye, which doesn't make sense seeing as how they already have 203498 shitty role playing outfielders on the roster. But it's time to make some bold moves, i'm just waiting to see if they're the right ones. Giants

10-03-2004, 07:01 PM	#657
DegenerationY WARRIORS Posts: 9,414	Also, I hate every single NL team in the playoffs this year, and I strongly dislike most of the AL teams in the playoffs this year. Go Boston.

10-03-2004, 07:10 PM	#658
The Miz Clutch Poster Posts: 11,997	I expect Beane to make a shitload of moves for Oakland in the offseasom. These guys are definately gone: Jermaine Dye Mark Redman Mark McLemore Jim Mecir Bobby Kielty

10-03-2004, 07:20 PM	#659
Jesus Shuttlesworth Posts: 42,765	Angels have the homefield advantage even though the Sox have a better record lol

10-03-2004, 07:23 PM	#660
Loose Cannon I'm all there is Posts: 31,811	I just want Sox/Yanks again. That should be the World Series match up. It should just end there.

11-04-2004, 04:49 PM	#664
VonErich Lives WTF do you want? Posts: 14,760	Hey Hero, Remember before the season we disagreed on Vazquez, I called him a NL pitcher who wouldn't do as well in the AL, you disagreed... here's his stats... who was right? SEASON TEAM W L ERA G GS CG SHO IP H R ER HR HBP BB SO 2001 Expos 16 11 3.42 32 32 5 3 223.2 197 92 85 24 3 44 208 2002 Expos 10 13 3.91 34 34 2 0 230.1 243 111 100 28 4 49 179 2003 Expos 13 12 3.24 34 34 4 1 230.2 198 93 83 28 4 57 241 2004 Yankees14 10 4.91 32 32 0 0 198.0 195 114 108 33 11 60 150 Career Totals 78 78 4.26 224 223 16 6 0 --- 1427.1 1430 733 676 188 42 391 1226 I don't count wins, when you pitch for a hitting team like the yanks (same thing for Sox pitchers) ERA, SO, IP, Hits, ER...

11-05-2004, 09:29 PM	#665
YOUR Hero Adminstigator Posts: 102,491	I do remember us having that discussing...Well he's way better than his numbers showed this year. I don't know what to say about him. Big stage maybe? 'another weaver' But yeah, until he rebounds next year 'or whatever', you've got me.