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Old 01-11-2004, 07:49 PM   #1
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I think its time for cena to win a title
Seriously he's one of the best people on smack down and he's never won a title...whats up with dat!?



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Old 01-11-2004, 07:54 PM   #2
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He's been in the company, like, 18 months.
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Old 01-11-2004, 08:44 PM   #3
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I don't think he's paid his dues yet.
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Old 01-11-2004, 09:31 PM   #4
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I was thinking he might go for the U.S title at Royal Rumble against The Big Show.
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Old 01-11-2004, 09:59 PM   #5
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I don't think he's paid his dues yet.
I hope you're joking. He's one of the most over people on the entire roster and has the ability to be a main event superstar that could draw big for the company in a couple of years or so. **** paying his dues, he's got the talent and is over huge with the fans, if the WWE doesn't give him the US title belt by Mania then something is seriously wrong.

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Old 01-11-2004, 11:27 PM   #6
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I think he should either win the US Title from show at No Way Out or win the Tag Titles with Benoit

Cena definetly deserves a title
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Old 01-12-2004, 12:19 AM   #7
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He should be US champ by or at Mania.
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Old 01-12-2004, 01:16 AM   #8
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^ agreed. Heck, I think he should have been the one to win the title from Eddie, not Big Slow.
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Old 01-12-2004, 01:19 AM   #9
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I don't think he's paid his dues yet.
Unlike Randy Orton.
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Old 01-12-2004, 01:35 PM   #10
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To be honest, he doesn't really need a title to get over right now. He's already over, so by the time he actually wins a title (hopefully his first should be the WWE title from Brock), it will be an even bigger moment. Kinda like Austin's first title victory at Wrestlemania 14.

On the other hand, if Vince wants to give him a midcarder title, he should hold the US title similar to what Randy Orton is doing with the IC title. Long title reigns for them similar to Austin/Rock back in 98.
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I don't think he's paid his dues yet.
I really hope you were being sarcastic. And if you weren't, just say you were.
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Old 01-12-2004, 04:34 PM   #12
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I had a big plan wrote out earlier for how Cena should win the US title, but I accidently deleted it, so I'll post it tomorrow.
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Old 01-12-2004, 04:57 PM   #13
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I can't believe people still buy this "paying your dues" gaga. Any mofo can join a wrestling school now. That never happened 15 years ago. There are no more territories any more nor more than one major company in the U.S. Old school paying your dues are out the window now. Argue about paying dues when the company is shit hot. Until then, you need to make stars anyway possible. Cena having to dress up as Vanilla Ice is paying his dues in my book.
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Old 01-12-2004, 05:01 PM   #14
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I agree.... Cena should get the US Title from Big Show. I don't think Big Show does much for a Mid-card title. Although I guess it would be a big title win to win it off of a guy like Big Show.

As for the "He hasn't paid his dues" idea...

2 words... Brock Lesnar. Undefeated world champion? What dues did he pay? Probably in OVW.

Cena is a draw. Cena's the type of guy you stop to see when you flip through your channels.

On top of that... as if paying your dues means shit in the WWE. When Chris Benoit wins a world title, Kane isn't pushed to nothing in the upcoming months, and Booker T gets in a fued he actually comes out of on top... I'll probably begin to think dues mean anything in the WWE.
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Old 01-12-2004, 05:20 PM   #15
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On top of that... as if paying your dues means shit in the WWE. When Chris Benoit wins a world title, Kane isn't pushed to nothing in the upcoming months, and Booker T gets in a fued he actually comes out of on top... I'll probably begin to think dues mean anything in the WWE.
Sad, but true.
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Old 01-12-2004, 06:11 PM   #16
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I agree.... Cena should get the US Title from Big Show. I don't think Big Show does much for a Mid-card title. Although I guess it would be a big title win to win it off of a guy like Big Show.

As for the "He hasn't paid his dues" idea...

2 words... Brock Lesnar. Undefeated world champion? What dues did he pay? Probably in OVW.

Cena is a draw. Cena's the type of guy you stop to see when you flip through your channels.

On top of that... as if paying your dues means shit in the WWE. When Chris Benoit wins a world title, Kane isn't pushed to nothing in the upcoming months, and Booker T gets in a fued he actually comes out of on top... I'll probably begin to think dues mean anything in the WWE.
Actually Cena isn't a draw because, well, because he hasn't drawn any money for the company. I think at some point he can be a draw, but thats up to the WWE writers.

Rob hit the nail on the head, guys 'paying dues' has killed star after star and angle after angle. You hope that with Cena and Orotn and others they wake up and push people to make them stars, not to make them mid card guys who cant draw.
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He's been in the company, like, 18 months.
Brock Lesner was only with the company for 5 Months and he won the World belt.
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Old 01-12-2004, 07:43 PM   #18
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Actually Cena isn't a draw......
He drew me in to watching smackdown!
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Old 01-13-2004, 07:57 AM   #19
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I've been hearing that he may be going to RAW after Mania though as (if Goldberg doesn't re sign) there wont be any top faces on RAW, so he's destined to job to HHH
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I've been hearing that he may be going to RAW after Mania though as (if Goldberg doesn't re sign) there wont be any top faces on RAW, so he's destined to job to HHH


if that happens, I'll probably stop watching Raw.
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He drew me in to watching smackdown!
Well, I like him too, and I think he will draw at some point. But right now, he's not doing crazy business on house shows, his QH's haven't shown any spikes, and he's not in a position to draw on PPV. So again, he's NOT a draw.
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Actually Cena isn't a draw because, well, because he hasn't drawn any money for the company.
WWE Top 10 Sellers (Shopzone.com)

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3. Fifty Greatest Wrestlers Magazine Special

WWE sells a decent amount of merchandise and if somebody is number 2 on that list, second to only Stone Cold Steve Austin (aka the biggest draw in wrestling history).. I'd say he's a draw.

Technically just about all wrestlers are draws. Maybe when RVD, Cena, Kane, etc wrestle the ratings don't go up 2 points. But get rid of RVD, Cena, Kane, etc... and I bet the ratings will drop.
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To be honest, he doesn't really need a title to get over right now. He's already over, so by the time he actually wins a title (hopefully his first should be the WWE title from Brock), it will be an even bigger moment. Kinda like Austin's first title victory at Wrestlemania 14.

On the other hand, if Vince wants to give him a midcarder title, he should hold the US title similar to what Randy Orton is doing with the IC title. Long title reigns for them similar to Austin/Rock back in 98.
Erm, by Mania 14, Austin was already a two time Intercontinental Champion and a two time Tag Team Champion, first with Shawn Michaels, then with Dude Love.
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Old 01-13-2004, 11:41 AM   #24
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I think that the WWE should put Cena in some main event fueds and keep him there until they have him win the title. The reason I think that is because I am afraid that they are going to give him a "super-push" to the main events, and when his title shot comes up, the "he didn't pay his dues" comment will come up and he will job, and then be pushed down the mid-card. Then, about 6 months later, Cena may become just a full time mid-carder.
(Which is exactly what has happened to RVD, because he was pushed in the summer of 2001, got the shot at the title in October at No Mercy, lost it, and then got shoved down the mid-card. Then, he had, what looked to be a main event fued with Jericho for the Undisputed Title for 1 or 2 weeks, and then the WWE cut the fued and made it Jericho vs. Rock. Then he had his match against HHH at last year's Unforgiven. Now, he is still mid-carding. Hopefully RVD will get pushed soon )
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WWE sells a decent amount of merchandise and if somebody is number 2 on that list, second to only Stone Cold Steve Austin (aka the biggest draw in wrestling history).. I'd say he's a draw.

Technically just about all wrestlers are draws. Maybe when RVD, Cena, Kane, etc wrestle the ratings don't go up 2 points. But get rid of RVD, Cena, Kane, etc... and I bet the ratings will drop.
Shopzone data is worked. And even if its accurate, selling t-shirts is far less valuable than drawing people to arenas and PPVs.

I get QH breakdowns from every RAW and SD. There are guys who have an impact on the QH's they appear (like Vince for example). So you could say Vince is a TV ratings draw. Cena has yet to reach that level.

As for taking guys away, guys leave all the time and it has varying effects. I wouldn't say that Kane, Cena or RVD are over enough that if they let ratings would go down. Their QH's show no major growth so why would them leaving have an impact the other way?
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Clearly you don't know what you are on about there pal because whether a person is a draw or not, it is NOT defined by TV ratings. PPV buy rates and house show tickets sold is where the money is made. Advertising on wrestling shows is cheap in comparison to other programmes with way less viewers in similar spots because advertisers hate wrestling and it's fanbase. The number of people that watch WWE free TV only should matter to the WWE because that is the potential audience for your house shows and PPV's.
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Cena's over really well right now, but he hasn't really made as much money for the company as he could before he wins the title. Before he got his gimmick, everyone seemed not to care about him, and now he has the gimmick everyone loves him. If it's the gimmick everyone loves, wait until it has played out a little bit more. Make some money, then push him as the badass focused on the title.
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Old 01-13-2004, 04:26 PM   #28
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If the WWE pushed everyone who is over with the crowd, RVD would be a two-time World Champ by now, Booker would be champ, and Brock would have waited a couple more months. Cena has been with the WWE for about 18 months now, and it is time I think to have him win a title (and by him beating Show I think it's imminent).

Brock didn't pay his dues, and I think Vince realized it when he got the ratings.
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