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Old 12-05-2004, 11:28 PM   #1
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NEW YORK - For all the fuss over reported admissions of steroid use by Barry Bonds, Jason Giambi and Gary Sheffield, major league baseball probably won't discipline them.


Instead of addressing the past, baseball commissioner Bud Selig is more concerned with pressuring players to agree to more frequent testing before the current labor contract expires in December 2006.

Already convicted in the court of public opinion, the players who testified before a federal grand jury are protected from discipline because steroids weren't banned by major league baseball until Sept. 30, 2002, previously undetectable THG wasn't prohibited until last March, and Human Growth Hormone still isn't blacklisted.

And while baseball's labor contract calls for penalties for positive tests and criminal convictions, there's no discipline specified for confessing up to past use.

"These articles say baseball is reeling from these allegations," New York Mets (news) pitcher Tom Glavine, a players' association leader, said Sunday. "To me, there is nothing new. People have been talking about the steroid issue for several years now. What's coming out of the grand jury testimony, I don't think there's anything surprising. Yes, it's a big story. It absolutely needs to be addressed. But it shouldn't be surprising or earth-shattering to anybody."

Dozens of major leaguers gather this week for the union's annual executive board meeting, which starts Monday in Phoenix.

"Obviously, the steroids issue is something that was going to come up in our board meeting," union head Donald Fehr said. "That would have been the case quite apart from this."

Gene Orza, the union's chief operating officer, and Rob Manfred, executive vice president of labor relations in the commissioner's office, have met several times since May to discuss Selig's call for more frequent testing and harsher penalties. Publicly, the union has shown a willingness only to discuss changes, not to make them.

"We've had ongoing discussions with the union," Manfred said. "We feel a great sense of urgency to complete the discussions, and we hope the union has the same sense."

Because steroid use wasn't banned until two years ago, it's inconceivable baseball would denote in its record book that Bonds might have used performance-enhancing drugs when he set the season home run record of 73 in 2001. And whether any revelations damage his chances to make the Hall of Fame will be determined only when the eligible baseball writers who vote make up their minds in several years.

Testing with penalties for steroid use began only this year, with each player tested once between the start of spring training and the end of the regular season. The penalty for a first positive test is counseling, and a second positive test could result only in a 15-day suspension. It would take five positive tests before Selig could ban a player for a year.

Even if a player is convicted for the use of a prohibited substance, baseball's labor contract allows a suspension of only 15 to 30 days for first-time offenders.

Critics say year-round testing is needed, along with stiffer penalties. Ariz. Sen. John McCain (news, bio, voting record) threatened to introduce legislation in January to override baseball's labor contract. Even if enacted, there's a good chance his idea would be thrown out in court as contrary to federal labor law.

"It sounds great, or it sounds tough," Glavine said. "I'm not even sure if that can be done. I'm sure it was designed to be, 'Oh my God, we had to do something.'"

Unlike Olympic athletes, players with major league contracts are protected by a collective bargaining agreement and the right to challenge discipline for off-the-field conduct before an arbitrator, meaning the longest suspension Selig could impose would be the same as for a criminal conviction.

And that might not even hold up. Baseball lawyers said news reports of grand jury testimony aren't sufficient; baseball itself would have to have the actual sealed statements.

Giambi's problems with the New York Yankees (news) are the result of his increased injuries and diminished output. The team is examining whether it can use the language in his contract to escape the remaining $82 million he is owed for what appears to be reasons of financial flexibility — not necessarily because the team is upset about steroid use.



No major leaguer ever has been suspended for steroids.

"The only thing that's come out of the grand jury is Jason Giambi admitted to it, but nobody's surprised by it," Glavine said. "In Barry's case, the cloud remains as to whether he knew he was doing it or didn't. It kind of puts it back on the front page and it becomes a hot-button issue that everyone is talking about.

"People forget that in terms of this agreement, it's only been in place a short period of time and the first period was just a testing phase. We've really been though only one year of mandatory testing. I think the program we had last year had some effect on guys. Did it go far enough and what steps can be taken to totally eliminate the suspicion, both from player to player and fan to player? We'll continue to tweak and look at it."
Way to go MLB.

Let that be a lesson to you folks, don't bother with the past because evidently that means nothing.
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Old 12-05-2004, 11:40 PM   #2
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Old 12-05-2004, 11:48 PM   #3
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Its sad. There's gonna be a huge backlash when Bonds hits 715 this year
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Old 12-05-2004, 11:50 PM   #4
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I still stand by my earlier statement that players caught juicing should get their muscles sawed off.

BTW, I don't follow baseball, but steroid abusers are poo, no matter which sport is being played.
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Goddamn. Much as i love all three of those guys, some sort of example has to be made. MLB just seem to tarnish their name with every step they take.
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Old 12-06-2004, 04:17 PM   #6
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Steroids are pathetic. Build it up naturally. David Boston just got suspended 4 games for Roid use in the NFL. He was injured anyway but its the point of the matter.
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Old 12-07-2004, 02:48 AM   #7
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How can you punish somebody for doing something that technically wasn't illegal until a short period of time ago?

Let the past be the past, and if they continue with the shit, then bust them out.
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How can you punish somebody for doing something that technically wasn't illegal until a short period of time ago?

Let the past be the past, and if they continue with the shit, then bust them out.
Isn't steroid use illegal in general, and not just in sports? If so, don't they face criminal charges?
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Old 12-07-2004, 08:23 AM   #9
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Isn't steroid use illegal in general, and not just in sports? If so, don't they face criminal charges?
I don't know the full details, but I think somehow it involves the 4th amendiment, also the testing done was confidential ie: records not release, same way if a company send you for a drug test and you fail, they don't call the cops.

Also to top it off, I'm pretty sure the players rec'd immunity from charges (for use and also in some cases for pergery) in return for testimony, the gov't is after the company, not the users. Same way if I got caught w/ Coke and turned over the person I got it from I'd get a lesser or no charge in return for helping w/ a case against a distributer.

Distrubting is a bigger crime then use.
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Old 12-07-2004, 08:32 AM   #10
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But what about the rumor that they could face penalties by the gov for lying to a grand jury??
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But what about the rumor that they could face penalties by the gov for lying to a grand jury??
I've heard that, but then then also told the truth the the grand jury and I'd assume unless they had a deal for immunity they wouldn't have said a thing.

That and there's the grey area that they claim they didn't know the stuff they used had roids in it and were lied to. (not that I believe that one).
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Unlike Olympic athletes, players with major league contracts are protected by a collective bargaining agreement and the right to challenge discipline for off-the-field conduct before an arbitrator, meaning the longest suspension Selig could impose would be the same as for a criminal conviction.
But what if off-the-field conduct effects on-the-field production? I think a line has to be drawn someplace...
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Bonds possibly will be charged with perjury
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Convicting him will be next to impossible.
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Convicting him will be next to impossible.
Yeah, assuming Bonds didn't make a deal, they'd have to prove he knew the stuff were roids, and the players are all sticking by they thought they weren't.

Although, I thought I heard Giambi testified that at some point he was told they were roids.
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What Bonds said and what his trainer said conflict...

What his trainer said and what Giambi said do not....

Who do you believe?
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What Bonds said and what his trainer said conflict...

What his trainer said and what Giambi said do not....

Who do you believe?
None of them.
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Old 12-08-2004, 10:54 PM   #18
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