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Old 12-11-2004, 12:16 AM   #1
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DISCUSSION - If the "rumor" is true....and LESNAR returns to the WWE before WM-21
DISCUSSION - If the "rumor" is true....and LESNAR returns to the WWE before WM-21

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Not trying to get my hopes up TOO high, but this is HUGE news if its true! (and if the "interpretation" was correct) Assuming that the "interpretation" was correct...................


A) What show would you have him appear on? (If you say RAW, then please assume that Smackdown would get compensated with a package of wrestlers from RAW......name those wrestlers which would get sent to Smackdown)

B) Would you have Lesnar be a FACE (capitalize on his return face pop) or HEEL (play along with the *fact* that he "sold out" to football).

C) Who would you have him FACE at Wrestlemania?



I will post my opinion on this at a later time.
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Old 12-11-2004, 12:20 AM   #2
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yeah I just saw the same thing. I despise what he did (leaving on top and screwing us with JBL in the process), but I would like to see him back. He's a credible name and solid main eventer, something Smackdown! needs
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Old 12-11-2004, 12:34 AM   #3
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No way could he come back as a face, no matter what he did. But like Innovator said I would love to see him back. I'd almost like to see him on RAW so we could see him against Batista and Snitsky, but Smackdown is really the best place for him.
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Old 12-11-2004, 12:44 AM   #4
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I hope they job him to Snitsky.
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Old 12-11-2004, 12:49 AM   #5
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A stable of huge buff guys would be... interesting. It'd be really hard to pull off, but it'd be interesting.

Of course, having him go against them works too, but for some reason, I thought of a stable first.
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Old 12-11-2004, 01:19 AM   #6
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yeah I just saw the same thing. I despise what he did (leaving on top and screwing us with JBL in the process), but I would like to see him back. He's a credible name and solid main eventer, something Smackdown! needs
Screwing us with JBL.Bradshaw has done a good job i think.If anything Bradshaw is a credible top heel
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Old 12-11-2004, 02:38 AM   #7
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Lesnar was #1 in the heel dept., JBL would've been #2, JBL wasn't ready for the main event, no one bought him as a credible threat to Eddie, and a credible champion. Hell the guy never had a PPV pinfall over his challenger until Survivor Series. Nevermore
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If it is true and he does come back, and Vince doesn't put him through a punishment angle, then all he could do is be a heel. But I don't know what he could do.
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He'll get heat no matter what even if he's a face. I'm sure Vince will punish him somehow making him job cleanly to Funaki or someshit like that
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He'll get heat no matter what even if he's a face. I'm sure Vince will punish him somehow making him job cleanly to Funaki or someshit like that
Or put him in a fued with Hardecore Holly
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Old 12-11-2004, 06:06 AM   #11
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Old 12-11-2004, 07:32 AM   #12
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Or put him in a fued with Hardecore Holly
That would be a bad thing? *SNAP*

ANYWAY, as much as Brock screwed the WWE over, the WWE needs him right now for SmackDown!. I say, have him return at the Rumble. Have him come out during JBL's match and cost him the title. Then, have JBL vs. Brock at WrestleMania. Heel vs. Heel. It wouldn't be the best match, but it would be a good way to get Brock back to the WWE.

If he does return at the Rumble, he CANNOT be in the Rumble itself unless he wins OR someone throws him out near the end and a feud starts. Because, otherwise, he will lose momentum right then and there.
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Old 12-11-2004, 08:16 AM   #13
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I would like to see Brock return on Raw! As a heel, he would gain heat by talking about his NFL career all the time. At WM21 I would have him face Orton for the title. Just think of all the wrestlers on Raw! That Brock could potentially face.

Brock V Randy Orton
Brock V Shawn Michaels
Brock V Kane
Brock V HHH
Brock V Snitsky
Brock V Y2J
Brock V Edge
Brock V Christian
Brock V Batista
Brock V Shelton Benjamin
Brock V Maven
Brock V Benoit

The list just goes on. Almost all of these matches would be HUGE.
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Old 12-11-2004, 09:40 AM   #14
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If Brock does come back he should ne a heel and like 123 Kid said he should be on Raw. Why? Because I don't want to see the same matches over and over. I don't him to fued with Cena or Undertaker it's been done. Now, if he went to Raw there'd be new fueds and new wrestlers for Brock to face.
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Old 12-11-2004, 10:56 AM   #15
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If he went to Raw then Jericho and HBK have to jump to Smackdown so Smackdown won't look so bad.
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Old 12-11-2004, 11:22 AM   #16
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Brock doesn't need to talk about his NFL career to get heel heat. Brock doesn't need a "Hollywood Rock" combined with an "Olympic Angle" persona.

And everybody needs to get over themselves with how much they "despise" what Brock did. He attempted to pursue something that makes him happy. He's not obligated to stay doing something he doesn't want to do if he doesn't want to. I don't remember anyone getting on Shamrock's case years ago when he left the WWE to go fight some more in the UFC.

And Vince may have a big ego, but I guarantee Brock will not be punished upon returning. As much as Vince loves making himself feel like he's God, he loves money more.

As for what should be done with Brock when he comes back. I know it won't happen, but let's just say for the sake of this, that he could come back at Armageddon. On Heat, have Angle attack Big Show from behind backstage and really tear him apart, causing Long to remove Angle from the match, and making it seem questionable whether or not Big Show will be able to wrestle that night. Regardless, have Show still wrestle, and have him destroy Jindrack and Reigns, and with both of them pretty much broken, have Big Show single for the chokeslam to end the match. Right after he signals for it, have Brock appear from behind him, and beat the crap out of him. Throw in some F5s, have him toss Show into the ring steps, beat him up some more, then throw him off the entrance ramp. When EMTs come, have Brock go back and lock an unconcious Big Show in The Brock Lock for a little bit. Keep Big Show out for about a month, and have him move to Raw when he comes back (somebody can be sent to Smackdown to compensate).

The Big Show incident can be played off as having had nothing to do with Angle or anything, just pure Brock rage, so after that Brock can move on and feud with Cena or Eddie.
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Or put him in a fued with Hardecore Holly
Oh Snap!

He should go to Smackdown!
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And everybody needs to get over themselves with how much they "despise" what Brock did. He attempted to pursue something that makes him happy. He's not obligated to stay doing something he doesn't want to do if he doesn't want to.
He was obligated to do such a thing, he was under WWE contract. He walked out of it and though he could just waltz into any NFL team he wanted to, and then got into fights during trainning games. Also WWE had given him everything, and all he had to do was "try" in ring and go along for the ride. And how does he replay them? He walks out before he is suppose to start jobbing and making others look good.
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He was obligated to do such a thing, he was under WWE contract. He walked out of it and though he could just waltz into any NFL team he wanted to, and then got into fights during trainning games. Also WWE had given him everything, and all he had to do was "try" in ring and go along for the ride. And how does he replay them? He walks out before he is suppose to start jobbing and making others look good.
The plan was for him to jobbed to Undertaker,not other guys. Booker took his place instead and that fued was stupid.Brock was actually smart enough to get out before WWE killed his character.
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I for one won't be watching if he comes back. He's been blackballed by me.....not that that means much or anything.
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I for one won't be watching if he comes back. He's been blackballed by me.....not that that means much or anything.
It's not that serious, wrestling is still fake at the end of the day. What if Brock left and went to wrestle in Japan, would you blackballed him?
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Old 12-11-2004, 12:39 PM   #22
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And everybody needs to get over themselves with how much they "despise" what Brock did. He attempted to pursue something that makes him happy. He's not obligated to stay doing something he doesn't want to do if he doesn't want to. I don't remember anyone getting on Shamrock's case years ago when he left the WWE to go fight some more in the UFC.
pos rep for that. Seriously, I fail to see how brock "sold out." First of all, he left for considerably less money. Secondly, it's no secret that the lifestyle of a pro wrestler is a very very difficult one. Smackdown had a great champ in Eddie(and still does IMO) at the time. Plus, is it any coincidence that he left after wrestlemania? I'm sure he was burned out by the lifestyle long before wrestlemania, but he stayed anyhow, knowing that's their biggest event of the year.

The fact is, he wasn't happy. He had chance to do something he's always dreamed of doing, and he took that oppurtunity. I doubt any of you could honestly say you would do otherwise.

As for his return, I wouldn't specualte too much, but if he did it would be impossible for him to be face because he's a sellout.
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Old 12-11-2004, 12:53 PM   #23
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Old 12-11-2004, 02:40 PM   #24
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I'd love to see him feud with John Cena as a heel if he went to Smackdown. Have Cena drop the title to Carlito (or even Jesus. I know they're injured but by this time one of them would be good to go).

If he went to RAW, a feud with Randy Orton would be just as good. Triple H would still be the main heel, I guess feuding with a top face. Or Trips can even be a face at this point, but in a different program, probably with Edge.
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He was obligated to do such a thing, he was under WWE contract. He walked out of it and though he could just waltz into any NFL team he wanted to, and then got into fights during trainning games. Also WWE had given him everything, and all he had to do was "try" in ring and go along for the ride. And how does he replay them? He walks out before he is suppose to start jobbing and making others look good.
His contract that Vince willingly let him out of, it's not like he breached it. Sure he was making a lot of money working for the WWE, but it was a symbiotic relationship, the WWE was making a lot of money off of him, it's not like he was done a favor. He is in no way obligated to stick around for what could be YEARS to wait until he starts jobbing and making others look good.
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Yeah he did everything so quickly on Smackdown so they should definitely bring him to Raw while compensating Smackdown with some quality upper midcarders/ lower main eventers. Brock could have a similar angle to what Goldberg did when he faced The Rock, where Triple H could say that he has beaten everybody else and now there is nothing left to do because he's always the champ, I need some competition, blah blah. Enter Lesnar into the equation, he feuds a bit with Evolution, before finally getting a shot at Trips a few months later.
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Old 12-11-2004, 05:18 PM   #30
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Yeah but would Trips be up for it
Well, if he doesn't he could always pull an Austin and leave the company
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I would rather see Brock Lesnar on RAW. It hasn't been done before, and I would certainly be creaming myself over Triple H vs. Brock Lesnar at WrestleMania 21. Then at Summerslam you can have Lesnar vs. Benoit. Lesnar vs. Orton or Lesnar vs. Shelton Benjamin could work for WrestleMania 22.

I'd like to see The Hurricane, Rosey, Rhyno, Tajiri and maybe Shawn Michaels sent over to SmackDown!. Then add Garrison Cade when he's able to return. Iw ould have said Jericho, but the prospect of Jericho vs. Brock is too much to pass up.
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Old 12-11-2004, 07:28 PM   #32
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Just to see Brock F-5 HHH into the ringpost wolud make it all worthwhile for me.
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Old 12-11-2004, 08:35 PM   #33
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Seriously, Maven?

I think everyone knows Brock will be back, its just a matter of when, not if. For the WWE's sake, I hope its prior to Mania, because as I see things shaping up, I dont see anything on the horizon that will give Mania a respectable buyrate. Lesnar wasn't a huge draw most of his time on top, but now that he's been gone, and the WWE is so devoid of top level stars, he might make a difference.

SD is in need of help, not RAW, so I would be more inclined to bring him to SD.

Its true that Brock has faced most of the top guys on SD, but I think there would be still interest in matches with Cena, Eddie and JBL (if they brought Lesnar in a face).

Plus, I'm pretty sure there will be a couple of key roster moves some time in early '05 (likely around Mania time), so that will freshen things up for everyone.

I keep hearing these crazy stories about how Vince wants to keep the title on JBL for most, if not all of 2005, so if thats the case they'll need a bunch of new babyfaces to come in to face JBL.

In terms of Brock getting over, he'll likely get a huge pop when he makes his return, its just a matter of how they book him which will determine face or heel. I personally dont think the fans will turn on him because he left, Austin left twice, didn't do business the right way and the fans still cheer him everytime he comes back. So I cant see this being any different.

Back to RAW, the idea of Lesnar-HHH is decent, but why use Brock in that spot when they could put Batista in there? At least with Dave you have a huge backstory, and a guy who has been gaining momentum. If they did want to nix Orton-HHH in favour of something else, I dont see any reason not to go to Batista.
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Old 12-11-2004, 08:54 PM   #34
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I would not mind Brock returning, not at all. The shows are not balanced as far as top wrestlers go so with Brock returning, it would do one show, SmackDown in this case, alot of good like before. Plus, I wouldn't mind seeing Brock and Benoit again in the future.
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Seriously, Maven?

I think everyone knows Brock will be back, its just a matter of when, not if. For the WWE's sake, I hope its prior to Mania, because as I see things shaping up, I dont see anything on the horizon that will give Mania a respectable buyrate. Lesnar wasn't a huge draw most of his time on top, but now that he's been gone, and the WWE is so devoid of top level stars, he might make a difference.

SD is in need of help, not RAW, so I would be more inclined to bring him to SD.

Its true that Brock has faced most of the top guys on SD, but I think there would be still interest in matches with Cena, Eddie and JBL (if they brought Lesnar in a face).

Plus, I'm pretty sure there will be a couple of key roster moves some time in early '05 (likely around Mania time), so that will freshen things up for everyone.

I keep hearing these crazy stories about how Vince wants to keep the title on JBL for most, if not all of 2005, so if thats the case they'll need a bunch of new babyfaces to come in to face JBL.

In terms of Brock getting over, he'll likely get a huge pop when he makes his return, its just a matter of how they book him which will determine face or heel. I personally dont think the fans will turn on him because he left, Austin left twice, didn't do business the right way and the fans still cheer him everytime he comes back. So I cant see this being any different.

Back to RAW, the idea of Lesnar-HHH is decent, but why use Brock in that spot when they could put Batista in there? At least with Dave you have a huge backstory, and a guy who has been gaining momentum. If they did want to nix Orton-HHH in favour of something else, I dont see any reason not to go to Batista.
You, my friend, are one of, if not the, most logical posters on these forums.

The more I think about it, the more I'd like to see Lesnar return to SmackDown!. Add Shawn Michaels and Chris Jericho to that roster, and you have it shaping up really nicely. I'm still praying for an intense Shawn Michaels vs. Garrison Cade feud, but that's besides the point.

I think it would really help SmackDown! if Lesnar returned as #30 in the Royal Rumble, won the match, then chose SmackDown! so he can chase the WWE Championship. I hope they can convince Mick Foley to stay on SmackDown! when he returns for the tour of the Middle East, and I really hope The Rock shows up there as a challenger to JBL. That actually seems quite likely with JBL claiming to be better than The Rock. That match would make a great No Way Out main event.

So here's how the main event scene could look for 2005 (if Lesnar, The Rock & Mick Foley return, which is unlikely):

RAW
Triple H: World Heavyweight Champion
Randy Orton
Batista
Chris Benoit
Edge
Kane
Gene Snitsky

SmackDown!
John Bradshaw Layfield: WWE Champion
The Undertaker
The Big Show
Eddie Guerrero
Shawn Michaels
Chris Jericho
The Rock
Mick Foley
John Cena
Kurt Angle

It seems like a stronger set for SmackDown!, but with the scale set in RAW's favour, and the live timeslot and the writing attention RAW gets, I think it really needs the least amount of talent. There seem to be so many underdeveloped stars on RAW, and it seems to be way overcrowded there.
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Rock will be on RAW, because it's live
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Rock wont be anywhere for more than a couple of weeks due to the fact that he will never again be anything more than a guy who shows up 4 or 5 times a year. He's got too much goin on right now to even consider wrestling.
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they have, in australia. it was a triple threat along with the rock i think
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they have, in australia. it was a triple threat along with the rock i think
Yeah, at Global Warning in Melbourne. It's supposed to be a decent match.
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I would rather see Brock Lesnar on RAW. It hasn't been done before, and I would certainly be creaming myself over Triple H vs. Brock Lesnar at WrestleMania 21. Then at Summerslam you can have Lesnar vs. Benoit. Lesnar vs. Orton or Lesnar vs. Shelton Benjamin could work for WrestleMania 22.

I'd like to see The Hurricane, Rosey, Rhyno, Tajiri and maybe Shawn Michaels sent over to SmackDown!. Then add Garrison Cade when he's able to return. Iw ould have said Jericho, but the prospect of Jericho vs. Brock is too much to pass up.

Lesnar was intially on Raw when they first split the roster. So it has been done before.
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