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Old 01-14-2005, 07:07 PM   #1
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Chris Jericho stated the following on the Between the Ropes radio show last night: "Goldberg got what he deserved. He's a loudmouth and....whatever. God bless him and best of luck to him. It's funny because the last thing he said was...someone had asked him about me and he said me and Jericho never saw eye to forehead. I was thinking to myself you saw forehead to the ground when a had you in a front facelock crushing you and crushing your windpipe in the middle of the arena in front of all the boys."
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Old 01-14-2005, 07:23 PM   #2
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Yeah, when Jericho beat up Goldberg, it was the most funniest thing ever!
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Old 01-14-2005, 07:24 PM   #3
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Jericho is the man...
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Yeah, when Jericho beat up Goldberg, it was the most funniest thing ever!
I'd sell my first-born child for a video of that.
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Old 01-14-2005, 09:02 PM   #5
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can tell me what happened. as in their fight
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Old 01-14-2005, 09:46 PM   #6
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Buahahaha! That's a great comment.

Basically, Goldberg and Jericho got into a fight (forget why... they've never exactly been friends or anything). Goldberg, expecting to kick the smaller Jericho's ass, instead gets his ass handed to him as Jericho gets him into a headlock chokehold and basically kicks his ass Nolan Ryan style.
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Old 01-14-2005, 09:55 PM   #7
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Jericho is just the man right now...he has more fans than any other superstar IMO...including The Rock.

Goldberg just needs to stay away for good. I think all the people finally realized that Goldberg wasnt what we all thought he was.
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Old 01-14-2005, 10:17 PM   #8
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I disagree, Goldberg could of been one of the most useful people to the WWE Ever.
I think he was used really badly. He was the Steve Austin of WCW for a while there, and you don't use potential like the they way the WWE did.
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Old 01-14-2005, 11:18 PM   #9
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Here's what happened according to Bret Hart. I took this from his website, one of his archived columns.

http://www.brethart.com/columns/may9.asp

Bret Hart’s Calgary Sun Column
May 9, 2003

Topic: Story about Goldberg & Jericho


According to the poll on my web site some of your favorite columns that
I’ve written have to do with behind the scenes stories about wrestlers.
Here’s one that I heard just last week that kind of reminds me of David and
Goliath.
Making his way back into wrestling circles is Bill Goldberg, who is most
famous for his incredible undefeated string of victories in WCW. Not to
mention that he’s the guy that accidentally kicked me in the head in December
‘99 causing my career ending concussion. He kicked me much like a wild
bucking horse and literally nearly knocked my head off my shoulders. I still
, even now, have a tear in my neck muscle the size of a quarter that will
never heal, to prove it.
I was told by a former head coach of the Atlanta Falcons, who coached
Bill Goldberg, that if he had a whole team of Goldbergs he’d win the
superbowl every year.
People ask me if sometimes tensions in the ring ever carry over into
serious fights in the dressing room. Not usually , because nobody wants to
fight and get hurt - and not get paid for it., But now and again sometimes
the best wrestling matches take place in the dressing rooms or showers. One
such incident happened a couple of weeks ago when Goldberg made some less
than kindly remarks about young Chris Jericho.
Goldberg’s wrestling ability often resembled that gorilla in those
old Samsonite luggage commercials. He had a tendency to injure everybody he
worked with and took his own publicity a little too seriously.
My sense about Chris Jericho, a local Calgary kid, is that he’s always
been easy going with an even disposition.
The one little thing that Bill Goldberg didn’t take into account is
that Jericho was trained in my dad’s dungeon !
Although I’m sure Jericho doesn’t pretend to be a shooter he does have
a decent wrestling background.
As I understand it Chris approached Bill in the dressing room and
asked him politely if he’d come out in the hallway where they could talk in
private. Heads turned when Bill suddenly broke into character, bizarrely
growling like he does on TV!
Goldberg suddenly gripped Chris by the throat in a furious rage. The
little scrappy Calgarian, who is nowhere near Goldberg’s size, nonchalantly
wrestled him to the floor, clamping on a front face lock, which is every
shooter’s last resort and is comparable to having a bear trap clamped on
your head!
For the next several minutes Goldberg did everything he could to shake
Jericho off but no doubt all those long sessions when Jericho paid his dues
rolling around with Stu in the basement paid off! That tenacious
Jericho choked Goldberg out right on the dressing room floor, in front of
everybody. A reality check for Bill Goldberg - that’s been long over due!
I know when I talk with my dad he has a bottom less pit of these kind of
stories going back fifty years and I know he’s gonna love adding this one to
his repertoire. Maybe Goldberg should come up to Calgary and spend some time
with Stu in the dungeon learning how to wrestle.
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Seriously thats what i do.. if someone is trying to fuck with me i get then in a chokehold submission.. they never mess with me again... My favorite story was when i first started going to my new school this one kid wouldnt leave me alone.. so one day he threw a punch and i shook it off and just took him to the ground just like Jericho did and he passed right out.. he left the school the next year and no one has messed with me since.. and im not that big myself.. im about 6' 140-145... but i got muscle and im not afarid of a ass whoopin...
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Old 01-14-2005, 11:38 PM   #11
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Heads turned when Bill suddenly broke into character, bizarrely growling like he does on TV!
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I disagree, Goldberg could of been one of the most useful people to the WWE Ever.
I think he was used really badly. He was the Steve Austin of WCW for a while there, and you don't use potential like the they way the WWE did.
See, I'm getting tired of every body saying that WWE screwed up Goldberg by trying to show other sides of him. That is bullshit. Every other wrestler that is worth their salt can and has shown more than one side of their "personality". Goldberg was just a one trick pony that happened to catch fire. It isn't WWE's fault that Goldberg can't do anything besides the easiest gimmick in the world to get over with.
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Old 01-15-2005, 12:13 AM   #13
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See, I'm getting tired of every body saying that WWE screwed up Goldberg by trying to show other sides of him. That is bullshit. Every other wrestler that is worth their salt can and has shown more than one side of their "personality". Goldberg was just a one trick pony that happened to catch fire. It isn't WWE's fault that Goldberg can't do anything besides the easiest gimmick in the world to get over with.
I agree, 100%.

Not much else to be said other than Jericho is the man.
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Old 01-15-2005, 01:50 AM   #14
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I remember hearing about this first time round. Quality. Jericho is the King Of The World.

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SOmething I couldn't help notice about Jericho, but since his debut in the WWE, excluding the odd week or two off for Fozzy gigs etc, has Jericho ever been through an "injured" stage where he has been off for a while with an injury.

As much as I can remember, he has constantly been here since 1999.
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Old 01-15-2005, 06:27 PM   #19
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See, I'm getting tired of every body saying that WWE screwed up Goldberg by trying to show other sides of him. That is bullshit. Every other wrestler that is worth their salt can and has shown more than one side of their "personality". Goldberg was just a one trick pony that happened to catch fire. It isn't WWE's fault that Goldberg can't do anything besides the easiest gimmick in the world to get over with.
dude, he was over as hell when he came in. Fans wanted to pay to see him kick ass. So what did the WWE do. Have him in comedy not kicking any ass. That's called not giving the fans what they want. That = nobody caring. That is called WWE screwing up.

I don't care if a guy can show 30 personalities. If you can draw with one, stick with it.
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dude, he was over as hell when he came in. Fans wanted to pay to see him kick ass. So what did the WWE do. Have him in comedy not kicking any ass. That's called not giving the fans what they want. That = nobody caring. That is called WWE screwing up.

I don't care if a guy can show 30 personalities. If you can draw with one, stick with it.
I'm not sure how hot the crowd was when he came in, because I was bored witht he entire Rock/Goldberg feud. But anyway, what could they really do with Goldberg? Have him squash their main eventers? Goldberg can't exactly wrestle a match. For every pro with Goldberg, there is also a con. In WCW he could squash the lower-carders to build himself up. The fans were behind Goldberg because they wnated to see ihm doing the same in the main event.

Goldberg in the WWE couldn't start in the lower-tier of the roster effectively, and in the main event he debuts and embarrases the roster, before retiring on top of his many millions of dollars.

Goldberg WAS a one trick pony, and bringing him in was probably a mistake, because he wasn't really suited to the WWE's way of things. The WWE have found their own "Goldbergs" in Batista and Lesnar. The fast push to the top didn't work, so now they've got the slow burning beast in Batista. But then if Batista leaves the WWE and shows up in TNA, would it make sense to book himt he same way? A dominant beast who is unstoppable? It would throw their show out of whack, and ruin their current setup of talent.

I don't think it's possible to have a "character" like Goldberg just show up and start kicking ass, whether or not fans want to see it, and it be completely successful. Create your own character that combines the aesthetics of Goldberg, with a character that "belongs" in the WWE scene.
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Old 01-15-2005, 11:28 PM   #24
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Why not have Goldberg squash the main eventers? At the time the main eventers were HHH and Kevin Nash, it's not like their careers would have been tarnished; and WWE would have drawn better money doing that as opposed to what they DID do with Goldberg. Lesnar was pushed the exact same way in 2002 and he was mad over when he beat The Rock for the WWE Title; so why wouldn't the same thing have worked with Goldberg?
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Old 01-15-2005, 11:36 PM   #25
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I'm not sure how hot the crowd was when he came in, because I was bored witht he entire Rock/Goldberg feud. But anyway, what could they really do with Goldberg? Have him squash their main eventers? Goldberg can't exactly wrestle a match. For every pro with Goldberg, there is also a con. In WCW he could squash the lower-carders to build himself up. The fans were behind Goldberg because they wnated to see ihm doing the same in the main event.

Goldberg in the WWE couldn't start in the lower-tier of the roster effectively, and in the main event he debuts and embarrases the roster, before retiring on top of his many millions of dollars.

Goldberg WAS a one trick pony, and bringing him in was probably a mistake, because he wasn't really suited to the WWE's way of things. The WWE have found their own "Goldbergs" in Batista and Lesnar. The fast push to the top didn't work, so now they've got the slow burning beast in Batista. But then if Batista leaves the WWE and shows up in TNA, would it make sense to book himt he same way? A dominant beast who is unstoppable? It would throw their show out of whack, and ruin their current setup of talent.

I don't think it's possible to have a "character" like Goldberg just show up and start kicking ass, whether or not fans want to see it, and it be completely successful. Create your own character that combines the aesthetics of Goldberg, with a character that "belongs" in the WWE scene.

Trust me, everything you just said is the same mistake WCW made with him. They didn't let him go over or look dominant against the Hogan's and Nash's when he clearly should have.

Bobby Heenan said it best when he said he would of let Goldberg go 2 million-0. That gives fans something to talk about.

Goldberg was the least trickiest out of everybody becuase there was already a dam blueprint for how to book him, but once again the WWE decided he should be funny Bill Goldberg and he should put over The Game. And then bye bye Bill Goldberg being a draw.
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Old 01-16-2005, 12:25 AM   #26
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Trust me, everything you just said is the same mistake WCW made with him. They didn't let him go over or look dominant against the Hogan's and Nash's when he clearly should have.

Bobby Heenan said it best when he said he would of let Goldberg go 2 million-0. That gives fans something to talk about.

Goldberg was the least trickiest out of everybody becuase there was already a dam blueprint for how to book him, but once again the WWE decided he should be funny Bill Goldberg and he should put over The Game. And then bye bye Bill Goldberg being a draw.
Goldberg should have gone over Triple H and Nash, but the WWE had some young talent in there, as well. Orton and Jericho may not have been the best choices for Goldberg fodder, especially when there was a possibility he would be gone in six months.

Goldberg should have Speared right through the sledgehammer and pinned Triple H in the Elimination Chamber, sure, but bringing him in and having him destroy ALL your talent is a bit too much, IMO. Triple H, The Rock, Nash and Michaels, sure, but people like Jericho and Orton need certain protection. I'm not sure which group to include Booker T and Big Show to.

Anyway, while I think Goldberg was handled poorly to an extent, having him squash every single star would have done more damage than good, IMO.
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Old 01-16-2005, 12:30 AM   #27
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Why not have Goldberg squash the main eventers? At the time the main eventers were HHH and Kevin Nash, it's not like their careers would have been tarnished; and WWE would have drawn better money doing that as opposed to what they DID do with Goldberg. Lesnar was pushed the exact same way in 2002 and he was mad over when he beat The Rock for the WWE Title; so why wouldn't the same thing have worked with Goldberg?
Lesnar went over people like The Hardyz and RVD first. He then wne ton to beat The Rock (without squashing him) for the WWE Championship.

You follow the same path as Lesnar with Goldberg and you end up with him losing all his heat beating The Hardyz week after week.

And if you put Goldberg in Lesnar's main event shoes, the fans would see how much of a crappy wrestler he is. Lesnar could work a match, Golderb couldn't.

And sure, guys like Triple H and Nash should have been used as fodder, but you had young stars up there like Orton, so you can't have EVERYONE in the main event jobbing him out. Sure Orton was only in the main event temporarily around Summerslam 2002 time, but you can't make your ENTIRE roster look weak under Goldberg, since it makes wrestlers like Orton useless in the future.
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Old 01-16-2005, 08:52 AM   #28
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You don't put him over Orton though. You put him over HHH, Nash, HBK etc.... Then when the time is right you take one of your young guys and him go over Goldberg. That's how you make a star.

He didn't have to do the winning streak thing in WWE, but he HAD to look dominant and they didn't get that I guess.
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Lesnar went over people like The Hardyz and RVD first. He then wne ton to beat The Rock (without squashing him) for the WWE Championship.

You follow the same path as Lesnar with Goldberg and you end up with him losing all his heat beating The Hardyz week after week.

And if you put Goldberg in Lesnar's main event shoes, the fans would see how much of a crappy wrestler he is. Lesnar could work a match, Golderb couldn't.

And sure, guys like Triple H and Nash should have been used as fodder, but you had young stars up there like Orton, so you can't have EVERYONE in the main event jobbing him out. Sure Orton was only in the main event temporarily around Summerslam 2002 time, but you can't make your ENTIRE roster look weak under Goldberg, since it makes wrestlers like Orton useless in the future.
At the time of Goldberg's push, Orton was an upper midcarder with the IC title; so Goldberg didn't make Orton look bad at all cause they were simultaneously being pushed. As long as Goldberg didn't literally squash Orton in a match, it didn't affect his career.

Sure Lesnar could work a better match than Goldberg. Hell, he could work a better match than most of the roster, but that only makes a difference to the smarks. A lot of fans would've loved to see Goldberg squash his opponents regardless of his wrestling skills. Remember his big push in WCW? All he did was squash midcarders until he beat Hogan for the World Title, and he was over huge.
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He didn't have to do the winning streak thing in WWE, but he HAD to look dominant and they didn't get that I guess.
He lost like what? one match?
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You know, I don't read a lot of comics books. And the first X-Men movie sucked so bad, I didn't watch the second. So, admittedly, I don't know too much about superheroes, but I"ll tell you this: Batman is great. Why? Because he's human. People can identify with a human guy. Sure, he gets beat up, he may lose now and then, but he's still the hero b/c of his heart and will, not just his prowess. But you know who I hate? Superman. You know why? B/c nothing hurt him. Bullets, trains, whatever. He was impervious and indestructable. And not only does that make him not much of a hero at all, it makes him boring. The point, at least for my part, is that Goldberg was a Superman. I'm supposed to believe that nobody could beat this guy? Right. So Goldberg gets in the ring, dishes out fewer moves than a fucking Steiner Brother, and pins a guy. Not only is that boring, it's a lack of showmanship and an all-around disappointment. The character sucked. Say what you will. If you ask me, Superman IS kryptonite.
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It's like LC said. They should have put Goldberg over everyone, HHH, Nash, HBK, etc, and built him up as the still unstoppable monster. Then at one of the big 4 PPV's, preferably Mania, have some like Jericho or Orton or Cena go over Goldberg cleanly, preferably Orton with his legend killer gimmick. That would have = mad ratings.

You just don't take the most hyped 'monster' and turn him into a comedian when he has no experience doing that. Nash is a comedian, not Goldberg.
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