NFL Draft 2005

**Supreme Olajuwon** · 01-27-2005, 05:24 PM

Always the most fun topic to discuss amongst friends and its never too early to get the ball rolling

Tentative Draft Order:

1. San Francisco (2-14)
2. Miami (4-12)
3. Cleveland (4-12)
4. Chicago (5-11)
5. Tampa Bay (5-11)
6. Tennessee (5-11)
7. Oakland (5-11)
8. Arizona (6-10)
9. Washington (6-10)
10. Detroit (6-10)
11. Dallas (6-10)
12. San Diego from N.Y. Giants (6-10)
13. Houston (7-9)
14. Carolina (7-9)
15. Kansas City (7-9)
16. New Orleans (8-8)
17. Cincinnati (8-8)
18. Minnesota (8-8)
19. St. Louis (8-8)
20. Dallas from Buffalo (9-7)
21. Jacksonville (9-7)
22. Baltimore (9-7)
23. Seattle (9-7)
24. Green Bay (10-6)
25. Denver (10-6)
26. New York Jets (10-6)
27. Atlanta (11-5)
28. San Diego (12-4)
29. Indianapolis (12-4)
30. Pittsburgh (15-1)
31/32. *Philadelphia (13-3)
31/32. *New England (14-2)

So who goes #1? Who picks #1? Who do you think your team will draft?

I want the Bengals to draft a DT and right now Travis Johnson from Florida State looks like a great pick. Quick on his feet and a good solid tackler

Let's get discussin

**MoRcHeEbA** · 01-27-2005, 05:54 PM

Cleveland gets number 3

hopefully they wont pick another Tim Couch or a Courtney Brown...

kinda hope they take a super good receiver, but I bet they will take O-line, or D-line, or a DB or OH FUCK, god I hate them.

**Supreme Olajuwon** · 01-27-2005, 09:38 PM

Well Mike Williams should be there and he's a super good receiver

**Y2Ant** · 01-27-2005, 10:32 PM

Who are the top guys this year

Minnesota need a linebacker

**Jerichoholic** · 01-27-2005, 11:39 PM

Derrick Johnson is the LB that most people are saying is the best.

**Jerichoholic** · 01-27-2005, 11:42 PM

I'm not really sure what Dallas is going to do.

But two first round picks is pretty hott.

My guess would be DE/DT/LB in the first round.

They do need a cornerback, but Jones and Parcells said they weren't going to do that in the first round. Plus they have like 20 million dollars in cap room so I DUNNO, could be hot.

**Jesus Shuttlesworth** · 01-27-2005, 11:54 PM

MOCK DRAFT: Mel Kiper's Initial First-Round Projection | Jan. 18

This initial projection is based on what I've identified as key need areas for each team; the four teams still alive in the NFL playoffs are slotted in the last four positions based on record.

There are 14 underclassmen among my projections for the first 32 picks of the 2005 NFL draft, including two of the top three. Utah junior quarterback Alex Smith gets the nod as the first overall pick, and his namesake, Stanford senior tight end Alex Smith, rounds out my first-round projections as the No. 32 overall selection to Pittsburgh.

Underclassmen who have not yet hired an agent have until Jan. 19 to pull out of the draft. The NFL conference championship games and Super Bowl also could impact the order of this list, so be sure to check back for updates as the offseason continues.

1. San Francisco 49ers: Alex Smith (jr.), QB, Utah
A smart player who will pick up an NFL system quickly, Smith has good size, is mobile enough to hurt teams with his running ability and is also an efficient passer who can make all the necessary throws.

2. Miami Dolphins: Cedric Benson, RB, Texas
A strong, tough runner with good speed for his size, Benson would help fill the void left by the retirement of Ricky Williams. But there is speculation the Dolphins will attempt to fill their running back need through trade, perhaps for Buffalo's Travis Henry, so stay tuned.

3. Cleveland Browns: Aaron Rodgers (jr.), QB, California
Rodgers is a smart, accurate passer with a quick release. His arm strength is adequate and he is a better prospect at this point in his career than former Cal QB Kyle Boller, now the starter for the Baltimore Ravens.

4. Chicago Bears: Ronnie Brown, RB, Auburn
Perhaps the most complete back in the draft, Brown can carry or catch the ball with equal skill. He has size, instincts and quickness that allowed him to put up excellent numbers at the college level.

5. Tampa Bay Buccaneers: Carnell Wiliams, RB, Auburn
A creative, deceptive runner with tremendous natural skills. Williams can get tough yards inside despite lacking ideal size, a point illustrated by his 29 rushing TDs over the last two years.

6. Tennessee Titans: Adam Jones, CB, West Virginia
A good cover man who will also contribute as a kick returner, Jones has very good closing speed and is a willing tackler in run support. That may be his most important quality with the NFL hurting pass defenses by focusing on downfield infractions by defensive backs.

7. Oakland Raiders: Dan Cody, DE, Oklahoma
A fiery, intense player who always goes all-out, Cody is similar to former NFL standout Kevin Greene in his ability to play on his feet as an outside linebacker, or in a three-point stance as a defensive end.

8. Arizona Cardinals: Travis Johnson, DT, Florida State
Johnson improved his stock immensely this year. He ties up offensive linemen and is able to gain penetration against the run as well as collapse the pocket in passing situations.

9. Washington Redskins: Braylon Edwards, WR, Michigan
Edwards has the size, speed and athleticism to take over games, and he did that several times in 2004. He also significantly cut down on dropped passes and concentration lapses this past season, pushing his stock even higher.

10. Detroit Lions: Heath Miller (jr.), TE, Virginia
A tremendous pass receiver and a willing blocker along the line, Miller would give quarterback Joey Harrington another weapon to complement his wide receivers. He'll also be a help to running back Kevin Jones in the rushing attack.

Braylon Edwards
Braylon Edwards would bolster the Redskins' attack.
11. Dallas Cowboys: Shawne Merriman (jr.), DE/OLB, Maryland
A workout warrior with incredible physical skills, Merriman would be an ideal end/linebacker combo in a 3-4 scheme.

12. San Diego Chargers (from NYG): Derrick Johnson, OLB, Texas
Has the speed and strength to chase ballcarriers from sideline to sideline and make things happen when he gets to the ball.

13. Houston Texans: Mike Williams (jr.), WR, USC
Williams did not play in 2004 but dominated the college game for two seasons while at USC. His 6-foot-5, 230-pound frame gives him a big advantage over defensive backs, and he would make a perfect complement to young standout receiver Andre Johnson.

14. Carolina Panthers: Jammal Brown, OT, Oklahoma
Brown's long arms, good feet and balance allow him to engage defenders easily and move them off the ball or away from the quarterback.

15. Kansas City Chiefs: Antrel Rolle, CB, Miami
The Chiefs likely will dedicate most of their draft to defense, and Rolle is a good start. He has the cover skills to shut down wide receivers and also gives up his body against the run.

16. New Orleans Saints: Thomas Davis (jr.), OLB, Georgia
A punishing tackler who played safety in college, Davis has the size and speed to move into the front seven and make an impact at the pro level.

17. Cincinnati Bengals: Erasmus James, DE, Wisconsin
A force along the line of scrimmage, James can play the run, rush the passer and command double-team blocks. There are some durability questions, though, after he missed parts of the last two seasons with injury.

18. Minnesota Vikings: Shaun Cody, DL, USC
A versatile lineman who can play end or tackle, Cody would be a great fit for a Vikings team that has struggled at times along the defensive front.

19. St. Louis Rams: David Pollack, DE, Georgia
Pollack plays with tremendous intensity and his motor does not stop. He makes up for a lack of size with good initial quickness and great closing speed.

20. Dallas Cowboys (from BUF): Troy Williamson (jr.), WR, South Carolina
The fastest wideout in the draft, Williamson would be a great help to a team that lacked a consistent vertical threat.

21. Jacksonville Jaguars: Alex Barron, OT, Florida State
Barron is equally adept in the passing and running games and has light feet for a player his size.

22. Baltimore Ravens: Roddy White, WR, UAB
White's 4.42 speed in the 40 gives him a size/speed combination in the elite category. He is a big-play wideout who averaged 20.0 yards per catch in 2004.

23. Seattle Seahawks: Darryl Blackstock (jr.), OLB, Virginia
Blackstock is a solid all-around talent who shows flashes of greatness and has tremendous natural physical skills.

24. Green Bay Packers: Channing Crowder (so.), MLB, Florida
A tremendously productive player who adapted quickly to the collegiate game, Crowder has the ideal physical skills for a man in the middle.

David Pollack
David Pollack should impress NFL scouts in workouts.
25. Denver Broncos: Matt Roth, DE, Iowa
Roth is similar to David Pollack: undersized with a great motor and intensity. Roth was productive during his senior year and has good physical ability.

26. New York Jets: Carlos Rogers, CB, Auburn
A consistent, durable corner who can cover and support the run, Rogers has played against some of the best talent in the nation during his career.

27. Atlanta Falcons: Brandon Browner (so.), CB, Oregon State
A consistent cover man with good size, Browner would make a nice complement to Atlanta's top pick last year, CB DeAngelo Hall.

28. San Diego Chargers: Roscoe Parrish (jr.), WR, Miami
Parrish has speed and would be a good option to round out a receiving corps bolstered by the addition of WR Keenan McCardell and the emergence of TE Antonio Gates.

29. Indianapolis Colts: Bryant McFadden, CB, Florida State
Did not intercept many passes, but that's because teams respected his ability and avoided his side of the field. McFadden has the size to match up with big receivers.

30. New England Patriots: Justin Miller (jr.), CB, Clemson
A good fit for a team thin in the secondary this season.

31. Philadelphia Eagles: Justin Tuck (jr.), DE, Notre Dame
Good size and strength. Would be an asset for a team that thrives on pressuring the quarterback.

32. Pittsburgh Steelers: Alex Smith, TE, Stanford
An athletic pass receiver with great body control, Smith can stretch the deep middle and is a good hook-zone threat

**Jesus Shuttlesworth** · 01-28-2005, 12:08 AM

Roddy White from UAB is gonna be unbelievable in the NFL IMO. He will be right up there with Mike Williams and Brylan Edwards at the end of the season when comparing the top WR out of this draft

**Bad Guy** · 01-28-2005, 12:51 AM

I thought the lions would be interested in a defense end like a matt roth or erasmus james type.

**Supreme Olajuwon** · 01-28-2005, 11:07 AM

I dunno Mel Kiper's kinda retarded

but we'll see

**BCWWF** · 01-28-2005, 03:18 PM

God damnit, my internet keeps saying TPWW is messed up so I've written for this thread like five times and none of them worked.

The most important thing was that ESPN Insider reported that the Redskins are interested in LaVar Arrington, 1st, 2nd round draft picks for Randy Moss. To me that sounds like it would be a lot, maybe one of the picks would be next year or something. Either way, I love Moss but I would have to trade him for that. Get Braylon Edwards to replace him with the #9 pick. If we have to trade him I hope we can do something sweet like that.

**The Outlaw** · 01-28-2005, 03:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sTiMa34

Roddy White from UAB is gonna be unbelievable in the NFL IMO. He will be right up there with Mike Williams and Brylan Edwards at the end of the season when comparing the top WR out of this draft

Agreed. My friend played with him at UAB and he said that NFL scouts were at every one of their practices watching him.

**Bad Guy** · 01-31-2005, 03:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BCWWF

LaVar Arrington, 1st, 2nd round draft picks for Randy Moss.

Too much.

**MoRcHeEbA** · 01-31-2005, 04:03 PM

I heard Washington just wants to get rid of arrington cause they owe him alot of money or someshit.

**BCWWF** · 01-31-2005, 04:04 PM

Thats what the Washington Post reported though, so I can't complain

**Crimson** · 02-01-2005, 06:18 PM

Funny how just a month ago Alex Smith wasn't a first rounder...now he's the NUMBER ONE PICK..

And no way Mike Williams falls out of the top 10, that would be a tragedy, GM's can't be that stupid.

And don't the Vikings and Rams pick after the Cowboys and Ravens since they made the playoffs? its always been like that

**OssMan** · 02-01-2005, 07:04 PM

I thought that Gibbs said they were looking to trade Rod Gardner and something else for Randy Moss? pretty sure Arrington wasnt involved in the trade

**BCWWF** · 02-01-2005, 07:37 PM

Once again...THATS WHAT WAS REPORTED IN THE WASHINGTON POST, regardless of how stupid it sounds its not something I pulled out of my ass. That being said, it looks now like the Redskins would rather have Hines Ward or Mushin Mohammad.

**Gonzo** · 02-01-2005, 11:32 PM

Randy Moss is an excellent receiver. Worth a 1st and 2nd, plus Arrington? No. Randy has too many issues that he would bring to the team to warrant that big of a trade. The Redskins always seem to go into Free Agency and spend an assload of money just to be mediocre at the end of the year. Seems silly to me.

**BCWWF** · 02-02-2005, 12:49 AM

If they can pull in Ward of Muhammad though, and get decent QB and O-Line play they could be really good. Hines Ward and Clinton Portis

Is Patrick Ramsey still going to be QB there? I was thinking maybe Kurt Warner? But he wouldn't be much of an upgrade.

**MoRcHeEbA** · 02-02-2005, 01:39 PM

Hines Ward isn't going anywhere, Burris will probably leave pittsburgh and Muhammad will probably leave carolina but who knows.

**VonErich Lives** · 02-02-2005, 05:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BCWWF

If they can pull in Ward of Muhammad though, and get decent QB and O-Line play they could be really good. Hines Ward and Clinton Portis

Is Patrick Ramsey still going to be QB there? I was thinking maybe Kurt Warner? But he wouldn't be much of an upgrade.

yeah, and if all the other teams die in a plane crash....

get a top 10WR, top 15 QB and a new OL....

That's a lot to ask in 1 season and also a good bet to kill your cap.

I wonder how Gibbs will do with free agents, what has really hurt Parcells in NE and NYJ was he didn't understand the salary cap.

**BCWWF** · 02-02-2005, 05:40 PM

I have changed my mind, I don't want to trade Moss anymore. If it was one of those rediculous trades like Lavar and 2 DP's then it would have been completely neccessary, but it obviously wouldn't be like that. Up until the incident at Washington (Which wasn't as big of a deal as it was made), Moss had been really good for a long time. Then Joe Buck blew up the celebration issue, which was not a big deal AT ALL, and then all of the talk just started coming. Moss never told anybody in the press that he wanted a trade, it is all third party information right now. He is also one of the longest tenured Vikings, has a house in Minnesota, and does A LOT of charity work. Having him on the Vikings is not why they had another subpar season. It was not having him on the team that made them die. When he was healthy, they were 5-1 and most peoples pick for #2 team in the NFC. He completely opened up defenses, making Nate Burleson and whatever running back they decide to use much better. Our offense would be completely different and poor if you ask me, without Moss. We also do not need to trade Moss to get defensive help. Somebody posted the salary cap somewhere, the Vikings have a tonn of room and are reportedly planning on signing another Antoine Winfield caliber player on defense. With their cap room they can legitimately sign a good DB and LB, and our D-Line is already real good. Assume they draft LB's or DB's with their first two DP's, its safe to assume that they have a completely revamped defense next year.

If you remember the beginning of the year, it was Duante, not Payton, that people were talking about to break Marinos TD record. Moss went down and the offense took a step back, but the whole team morale changed at that time too. Next year, if Moss is healthy all year, Rosenthal and Kliensasser return to the O-line, and there are some changes for the better in the defense, the Vikings would have to be your pick as the second best team (if not the first).

As of right now, this is how I see the NFC finishing next year:
1. Eagles (East)
2. Vikings (North)
3. Falcons (South)
4. Seahawks (West)
5. Panthers (WC)
6. Rams/Lions/Giants

**BCWWF** · 02-02-2005, 05:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VonErich Lives

yeah, and if all the other teams die in a plane crash....

get a top 10WR, top 15 QB and a new OL....

That's a lot to ask in 1 season and also a good bet to kill your cap.

I wonder how Gibbs will do with free agents, what has really hurt Parcells in NE and NYJ was he didn't understand the salary cap.

It's actually not that unrealistic. Its pretty obvious that they are going for a top WR, maybe they will sign Mohammad or Ward or something, maybe they will draft Braylon Edwards or Mike Williams, both guys I think could have a big effect rookie season.

I don't know their QB situation, but I assume that Ramsey is still the starting QB? If so I am sure he will be just fine, but the name I mentioned, Kurt Warner, wouldn't be a stretch or a burden to their wallets. Then add or draft a solid O-line man. Even a little O-Line help would be huge, because the passing game would open up the field for Portis too. If they can keep their defense intact over the offseason and add some dynamics to their offense, they could be a very good team. Even a decent WR could be big, because Laverneus Coles still has talent.

**Supreme Olajuwon** · 02-02-2005, 08:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BCWWF

2. Vikings (North)

**The Outlaw** · 02-03-2005, 06:41 PM

lol

**Bad Guy** · 02-03-2005, 06:47 PM

NFC north could be the LIONS next year. If Moss gets traded and Favre retires OMG. Think about it we could get in the playoffs with like 7 wins cause that division would be so crappy. (I mean crappier than it already is)

**BCWWF** · 02-03-2005, 07:02 PM

They would be trading Moss, not giving him up for nothing. The newspapers are now reporting that Moss isn't going to be traded, Culpepper wants him to stay and so do the coaches/front office. The Lions should be #2 in the NFC North easilly though, and if they really come together could get into the playoffs. Maybe Charles Rogers should consider not getting injured though, that could help.

**Bad Guy** · 02-04-2005, 12:55 AM

Rogers is garbage dude. When he's out there sure he's great, but that lasts about 2 plays.

**BCWWF** · 02-04-2005, 12:59 AM

Thats why I said that if he wouldn't get injured it would help a lot

**Jesus Shuttlesworth** · 02-04-2005, 01:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bad Guy

Rogers is garbage dude. When he's out there sure he's great, but that lasts about 2 plays.

You won't be saying that when he's tearing it up. He's been in the NFL for 2 years and had 2 season ending injuries. I don't know, that's not really his fault.

**Innovator** · 02-04-2005, 01:24 AM

Favre retirement = shit hitting the fan in GB

**Jesus Shuttlesworth** · 02-10-2005, 11:53 PM

1. San Francisco 49ers: Alex Smith (jr.), QB, Utah
A smart player who will pick up an NFL system quickly, Smith has good size, is mobile enough to hurt teams with his running ability and is also an efficient passer who can make all the necessary throws.

2. Miami Dolphins: Cedric Benson, RB, Texas
A strong, tough runner with good speed for his size, Benson would help fill the void left by the retirement of Ricky Williams. But there is speculation the Dolphins will attempt to fill their running back need through trade, perhaps for Buffalo's Travis Henry, so stay tuned.

3. Cleveland Browns: Aaron Rodgers (jr.), QB, California
Rodgers is a smart, accurate passer with a quick release. His arm strength is adequate and he is a better prospect at this point in his career than former Cal QB Kyle Boller, now the starter for the Baltimore Ravens.

4. Chicago Bears: Braylon Edwards, WR, Michigan
Edwards has the size, speed and athleticism to take over games, and he did that several times in 2004. He also significantly cut down on dropped passes and concentration lapses this past season, pushing his stock even higher.

5. Tampa Bay Buccaneers: Carnell Williams, RB, Auburn
A creative, deceptive runner with tremendous natural skills. Williams can get tough yards inside despite lacking ideal size, a point illustrated by his 29 rushing TDs over the last two years. Was also coached by Tampa head coach Jon Gruden in the Senior Bowl.

6. Tennessee Titans: Adam Jones, CB, West Virginia
A good cover man who will also contribute as a kick returner, Jones has very good closing speed and is a willing tackler in run support. That may be his most important quality with the NFL hurting pass defenses by focusing on downfield infractions by defensive backs.

7. Oakland Raiders: Dan Cody, DE, Oklahoma
A fiery, intense player who always goes all-out, Cody is similar to former NFL standout Kevin Greene in his ability to play on his feet as an outside linebacker, or in a three-point stance as a defensive end.

8. Arizona Cardinals: Ronnie Brown, RB, Auburn
Perhaps the most complete back in the draft, Brown can carry or catch the ball with equal skill. He has size, instincts and quickness that allowed him to put up excellent numbers at the college level.

9. Washington Redskins: Mike Williams (jr.), WR, USC
Williams did not play in 2004 but dominated the college game for two seasons while at USC. His 6-foot-5, 230-pound frame gives him a big advantage over defensive backs, and he has excellent hands. Would be a great help in the development of quarterback Patrick Ramsey and help take some pressure off Clinton Portis in the running game.

Marcus Spears
Marcus Spears bolstered his stock immensely in Mobile.
10. Detroit Lions: Marcus Spears, DE, LSU
Spears boosted his stock immensely with an outstanding performance at the Senior Bowl. He showcased his speed, strength and athleticism against some of the best offensive linemen in the nation, and his size would make him a welcome addition for a team that needs to boost its pass rush.

11. Dallas Cowboys: Travis Johnson, DT, Florida State
Spends a lot of time in opposing backfields after collapsing the pocket or gaining penetration against the run. Came on strong and raised his stock significantly during his senior year.

12. San Diego Chargers (from NYG): Derrick Johnson, OLB, Texas
Has the speed and strength to chase ballcarriers from sideline to sideline and make things happen when he gets to the ball.

13. Houston Texans: Troy Williamson (jr.), WR, South Carolina
Perhaps the fastest wideout in the draft, Williamson would be a nice complement to budding superstar and physical wideout Andre Johnson.

14. Carolina Panthers: Alex Barron, OT, Florida State
With light feet for a player his size, Barron is a consistent blocker who is equally adept in both the pass and run games.

15. Kansas City Chiefs: Shawne Merriman (jr.), DE/OLB, Maryland
A workout warrior who would help shore up a defensive line that had trouble pressuring the quarterback last season. Expect Kansas City to commit nearly its entire draft to the defensive side of the ball.

16. New Orleans Saints: Brodney Pool (jr.), S, Oklahoma
A complete safety who excels in coverage and is more than adequate in run support, Pool has excellent size, covers a lot of ground and shows good anticipation in diagnosing plays.

17. Cincinnati Bengals: Roddy White, WR, UAB
A big-play wideout who averaged 20.0 yards per catch last season, White's combination of size and speed is in the elite category.

18. Minnesota Vikings: Shaun Cody, DL, USC
A versatile lineman who can play end or tackle, and was a leader on the nation's best rush defense..

19. St. Louis Rams: Erasmus James, DE, Wisconsin
Has to answer questions about his durability, but when healthy, James was a force along the line who commanded double-team blocks on a regular basis.

20. Dallas Cowboys (from BUF): Antrell Rolle, CB, Miami
A good cover man who did not see a lot of balls thrown his way in 2004, Rolle was still a force in run support and is adept at blitzing off the corner.

21. Jacksonville Jaguars: Khalif Barnes, OT, Washington
Another player who raised his stock at the Senior Bowl, where he answered questions about a wrist injury that sidelined him for the final six games of 2004. Excellent in both run and pass blocking and earned the respect of Iowa DE Matt Roth at the Senior Bowl, with Roth calling Barnes the best tackle he faced all season.

Mark Clayton
Mark Clayton would be a great weapon for Kyle Boller.
22. Baltimore Ravens: Mark Clayton, WR, Oklahoma
Has excellent speed and is one of the best in years at running after the catch, making Clayton a big-play threat who would give young QB Kyle Boller another option on the outside.

23. Seattle Seahawks: Matt Roth, DE, Iowa
A tremendous natural pass rusher who has fire and intensity, Roth's outstanding consistency this season helped raise his stock.

24. Green Bay Packers: Thomas Davis (jr.), OLB, Georgia
A punishing tackler who played safety in college, Davis has the size and speed to become a force in the front seven at the pro level.

25. Denver Broncos: Demarcus Ware, OLB, Troy
Needs to add a little bulk to his frame, but his quickness would give a boost to a Denver pass rush that was lackluster in 2004.

26. New York Jets: Carlos Rogers, CB, Auburn
A physical player who is an asset in run support and also has the speed to be an outstanding cover man. Rogers was the best player on a very good Auburn defense thanks to his consistency and durability.

27. Atlanta Falcons: Brandon Browner (so.), CB, Oregon State
With his good size and speed, Browner is a consistent cover man who would be a nice complement to last year's top pick, fellow CB D'Angelo Hall.

28. San Diego Chargers: Roscoe Parrish (jr.), WR, Miami
A speedy guy who would round out a receiving corps bolstered this season by the addition of Keenan McCardell and the emergence of TE Antonio Gates. Parrish would also be an asset in the return game.

29. Indianapolis Colts: Anttaj Hawthorne, DT, Wisconsin
His combination of size, strength and athleticism make Hawthorne an ideal 4-3 defensive tackle. He knows how to handle double-team blocks and can create lost-yardage plays.

30. Pittsburgh Steelers: Heath Miller (jr.), TE, Virginia
A tremendous pass receiver and a willing blocker along the line, Miller would give young quarterback Ben Roethlisberger another weapon to complement his wide receivers and also be a help to the Pittsburgh running game.

31. Philadelphia Eagles: Reggie Brown, WR, Georgia
Has excellent size and hands and gained plenty of attention with a good Senior Bowl showing. Would be a nice addition to a receiving corps led by Terrell Owens.

32. New England Patriots: Channing Crowder (so.), MLB, Florida
Crowder immediately became one of the best linebackers in college after setting foot on campus. He has all the skills and instincts to be a tremendous middle linebacker at the next level.

Borderline first-rounders

The players below are on the very fringe of the first round and depending on how things shake down some, all or none of them could ultimately end up being taken off the board in the first 31 selections:

# Darryl Blackstock, OLB, Virginia
# Jammal Brown, OT, Oklahoma
# Jason Campbell, QB, Auburn
# Charlie Frye, QB, Akron
# Bryant McFadden, CB, Florida State
# David Pollack, DE, Georgia
# Justin Tuck (jr.), DE, Notre Dame

**DaveWadding** · 02-11-2005, 12:00 AM

The Rams NEED Antrell Rolle

**BCWWF** · 02-11-2005, 12:31 AM

I was hoping the Vikings would make a run for him. Wasn't he projected to go a lot higher earlier? Anyway, I've heard Shaun Cody before, but we don't need another D-lineman, we have three good guys and one solid guy. We have one good DB and one average one, we need him, bitch

**DaveWadding** · 02-11-2005, 12:39 AM

The Rams have... ONE good DB (Aeneas) so screw you.

**Innovator** · 02-11-2005, 01:35 AM

Giants need to spend their other 6 picks on o-line, linebackers, and see if theres a deep threat at receiver

**Innovator** · 02-11-2005, 01:39 AM

hopefully Tim Carter can stay healthy this year

**BCWWF** · 02-11-2005, 02:06 PM

Just bring back Seahorn and quit your whining. Who cares if he didn't pass a physical

**road doggy dogg** · 02-11-2005, 02:59 PM

What? Culpepper himself said he wouldn't mind if Moss left. I don't know what you're talking about.

Rogers is good, but only playing 7 or so gamse in 2 seasons is hard to tell. He needs more playing time to get in tune with the offense. Rogers and Williams, with Jones in the backfield will make a nice offense. It'll be interesting to see if Detroit makes a pass for Brees or Garcia though, or just sticks with Harrington.

asdf off topic

01-27-2005, 09:38 PM	#3
Supreme Olajuwon You know that�s right Posts: 52,754	Well Mike Williams should be there and he's a super good receiver Last edited by Supreme Olajuwon; 01-27-2005 at 10:08 PM.

01-27-2005, 05:24 PM	#1
Supreme Olajuwon You know that�s right Posts: 52,754	NFL Draft 2005 Always the most fun topic to discuss amongst friends and its never too early to get the ball rolling Tentative Draft Order: 1. San Francisco (2-14) 2. Miami (4-12) 3. Cleveland (4-12) 4. Chicago (5-11) 5. Tampa Bay (5-11) 6. Tennessee (5-11) 7. Oakland (5-11) 8. Arizona (6-10) 9. Washington (6-10) 10. Detroit (6-10) 11. Dallas (6-10) 12. San Diego from N.Y. Giants (6-10) 13. Houston (7-9) 14. Carolina (7-9) 15. Kansas City (7-9) 16. New Orleans (8-8) 17. Cincinnati (8-8) 18. Minnesota (8-8) 19. St. Louis (8-8) 20. Dallas from Buffalo (9-7) 21. Jacksonville (9-7) 22. Baltimore (9-7) 23. Seattle (9-7) 24. Green Bay (10-6) 25. Denver (10-6) 26. New York Jets (10-6) 27. Atlanta (11-5) 28. San Diego (12-4) 29. Indianapolis (12-4) 30. Pittsburgh (15-1) 31/32. Philadelphia (13-3) 31/32. New England (14-2) So who goes #1? Who picks #1? Who do you think your team will draft? I want the Bengals to draft a DT and right now Travis Johnson from Florida State looks like a great pick. Quick on his feet and a good solid tackler Let's get discussin

01-27-2005, 05:54 PM	#2
MoRcHeEbA Dirty Sanchez Below Posts: 16,149	Cleveland gets number 3 hopefully they wont pick another Tim Couch or a Courtney Brown... kinda hope they take a super good receiver, but I bet they will take O-line, or D-line, or a DB or OH FUCK, god I hate them.

01-27-2005, 10:32 PM	#4
Y2Ant Crows Before Hoes Posts: 24,501	Who are the top guys this year Minnesota need a linebacker

01-27-2005, 11:39 PM	#5
Jerichoholic III Posts: 6,549	Derrick Johnson is the LB that most people are saying is the best.

01-27-2005, 11:42 PM	#6
Jerichoholic III Posts: 6,549	I'm not really sure what Dallas is going to do. But two first round picks is pretty hott. My guess would be DE/DT/LB in the first round. They do need a cornerback, but Jones and Parcells said they weren't going to do that in the first round. Plus they have like 20 million dollars in cap room so I DUNNO, could be hot.

01-27-2005, 11:54 PM	#7
Jesus Shuttlesworth Posts: 42,765	MOCK DRAFT: Mel Kiper's Initial First-Round Projection \| Jan. 18 This initial projection is based on what I've identified as key need areas for each team; the four teams still alive in the NFL playoffs are slotted in the last four positions based on record. There are 14 underclassmen among my projections for the first 32 picks of the 2005 NFL draft, including two of the top three. Utah junior quarterback Alex Smith gets the nod as the first overall pick, and his namesake, Stanford senior tight end Alex Smith, rounds out my first-round projections as the No. 32 overall selection to Pittsburgh. Underclassmen who have not yet hired an agent have until Jan. 19 to pull out of the draft. The NFL conference championship games and Super Bowl also could impact the order of this list, so be sure to check back for updates as the offseason continues. 1. San Francisco 49ers: Alex Smith (jr.), QB, Utah A smart player who will pick up an NFL system quickly, Smith has good size, is mobile enough to hurt teams with his running ability and is also an efficient passer who can make all the necessary throws. 2. Miami Dolphins: Cedric Benson, RB, Texas A strong, tough runner with good speed for his size, Benson would help fill the void left by the retirement of Ricky Williams. But there is speculation the Dolphins will attempt to fill their running back need through trade, perhaps for Buffalo's Travis Henry, so stay tuned. 3. Cleveland Browns: Aaron Rodgers (jr.), QB, California Rodgers is a smart, accurate passer with a quick release. His arm strength is adequate and he is a better prospect at this point in his career than former Cal QB Kyle Boller, now the starter for the Baltimore Ravens. 4. Chicago Bears: Ronnie Brown, RB, Auburn Perhaps the most complete back in the draft, Brown can carry or catch the ball with equal skill. He has size, instincts and quickness that allowed him to put up excellent numbers at the college level. 5. Tampa Bay Buccaneers: Carnell Wiliams, RB, Auburn A creative, deceptive runner with tremendous natural skills. Williams can get tough yards inside despite lacking ideal size, a point illustrated by his 29 rushing TDs over the last two years. 6. Tennessee Titans: Adam Jones, CB, West Virginia A good cover man who will also contribute as a kick returner, Jones has very good closing speed and is a willing tackler in run support. That may be his most important quality with the NFL hurting pass defenses by focusing on downfield infractions by defensive backs. 7. Oakland Raiders: Dan Cody, DE, Oklahoma A fiery, intense player who always goes all-out, Cody is similar to former NFL standout Kevin Greene in his ability to play on his feet as an outside linebacker, or in a three-point stance as a defensive end. 8. Arizona Cardinals: Travis Johnson, DT, Florida State Johnson improved his stock immensely this year. He ties up offensive linemen and is able to gain penetration against the run as well as collapse the pocket in passing situations. 9. Washington Redskins: Braylon Edwards, WR, Michigan Edwards has the size, speed and athleticism to take over games, and he did that several times in 2004. He also significantly cut down on dropped passes and concentration lapses this past season, pushing his stock even higher. 10. Detroit Lions: Heath Miller (jr.), TE, Virginia A tremendous pass receiver and a willing blocker along the line, Miller would give quarterback Joey Harrington another weapon to complement his wide receivers. He'll also be a help to running back Kevin Jones in the rushing attack. Braylon Edwards Braylon Edwards would bolster the Redskins' attack. 11. Dallas Cowboys: Shawne Merriman (jr.), DE/OLB, Maryland A workout warrior with incredible physical skills, Merriman would be an ideal end/linebacker combo in a 3-4 scheme. 12. San Diego Chargers (from NYG): Derrick Johnson, OLB, Texas Has the speed and strength to chase ballcarriers from sideline to sideline and make things happen when he gets to the ball. 13. Houston Texans: Mike Williams (jr.), WR, USC Williams did not play in 2004 but dominated the college game for two seasons while at USC. His 6-foot-5, 230-pound frame gives him a big advantage over defensive backs, and he would make a perfect complement to young standout receiver Andre Johnson. 14. Carolina Panthers: Jammal Brown, OT, Oklahoma Brown's long arms, good feet and balance allow him to engage defenders easily and move them off the ball or away from the quarterback. 15. Kansas City Chiefs: Antrel Rolle, CB, Miami The Chiefs likely will dedicate most of their draft to defense, and Rolle is a good start. He has the cover skills to shut down wide receivers and also gives up his body against the run. 16. New Orleans Saints: Thomas Davis (jr.), OLB, Georgia A punishing tackler who played safety in college, Davis has the size and speed to move into the front seven and make an impact at the pro level. 17. Cincinnati Bengals: Erasmus James, DE, Wisconsin A force along the line of scrimmage, James can play the run, rush the passer and command double-team blocks. There are some durability questions, though, after he missed parts of the last two seasons with injury. 18. Minnesota Vikings: Shaun Cody, DL, USC A versatile lineman who can play end or tackle, Cody would be a great fit for a Vikings team that has struggled at times along the defensive front. 19. St. Louis Rams: David Pollack, DE, Georgia Pollack plays with tremendous intensity and his motor does not stop. He makes up for a lack of size with good initial quickness and great closing speed. 20. Dallas Cowboys (from BUF): Troy Williamson (jr.), WR, South Carolina The fastest wideout in the draft, Williamson would be a great help to a team that lacked a consistent vertical threat. 21. Jacksonville Jaguars: Alex Barron, OT, Florida State Barron is equally adept in the passing and running games and has light feet for a player his size. 22. Baltimore Ravens: Roddy White, WR, UAB White's 4.42 speed in the 40 gives him a size/speed combination in the elite category. He is a big-play wideout who averaged 20.0 yards per catch in 2004. 23. Seattle Seahawks: Darryl Blackstock (jr.), OLB, Virginia Blackstock is a solid all-around talent who shows flashes of greatness and has tremendous natural physical skills. 24. Green Bay Packers: Channing Crowder (so.), MLB, Florida A tremendously productive player who adapted quickly to the collegiate game, Crowder has the ideal physical skills for a man in the middle. David Pollack David Pollack should impress NFL scouts in workouts. 25. Denver Broncos: Matt Roth, DE, Iowa Roth is similar to David Pollack: undersized with a great motor and intensity. Roth was productive during his senior year and has good physical ability. 26. New York Jets: Carlos Rogers, CB, Auburn A consistent, durable corner who can cover and support the run, Rogers has played against some of the best talent in the nation during his career. 27. Atlanta Falcons: Brandon Browner (so.), CB, Oregon State A consistent cover man with good size, Browner would make a nice complement to Atlanta's top pick last year, CB DeAngelo Hall. 28. San Diego Chargers: Roscoe Parrish (jr.), WR, Miami Parrish has speed and would be a good option to round out a receiving corps bolstered by the addition of WR Keenan McCardell and the emergence of TE Antonio Gates. 29. Indianapolis Colts: Bryant McFadden, CB, Florida State Did not intercept many passes, but that's because teams respected his ability and avoided his side of the field. McFadden has the size to match up with big receivers. 30. New England Patriots: Justin Miller (jr.), CB, Clemson A good fit for a team thin in the secondary this season. 31. Philadelphia Eagles: Justin Tuck (jr.), DE, Notre Dame Good size and strength. Would be an asset for a team that thrives on pressuring the quarterback. 32. Pittsburgh Steelers: Alex Smith, TE, Stanford An athletic pass receiver with great body control, Smith can stretch the deep middle and is a good hook-zone threat

01-28-2005, 12:08 AM	#8
Jesus Shuttlesworth Posts: 42,765	Roddy White from UAB is gonna be unbelievable in the NFL IMO. He will be right up there with Mike Williams and Brylan Edwards at the end of the season when comparing the top WR out of this draft

01-28-2005, 12:51 AM	#9
Bad Guy TPWW VET Posts: 10,837	I thought the lions would be interested in a defense end like a matt roth or erasmus james type.

01-28-2005, 11:07 AM	#10
Supreme Olajuwon You know that�s right Posts: 52,754	I dunno Mel Kiper's kinda retarded but we'll see

01-28-2005, 03:18 PM	#11
BCWWF The People's Member Posts: 18,092	God damnit, my internet keeps saying TPWW is messed up so I've written for this thread like five times and none of them worked. The most important thing was that ESPN Insider reported that the Redskins are interested in LaVar Arrington, 1st, 2nd round draft picks for Randy Moss. To me that sounds like it would be a lot, maybe one of the picks would be next year or something. Either way, I love Moss but I would have to trade him for that. Get Braylon Edwards to replace him with the #9 pick. If we have to trade him I hope we can do something sweet like that.

01-31-2005, 04:03 PM	#14
MoRcHeEbA Dirty Sanchez Below Posts: 16,149	I heard Washington just wants to get rid of arrington cause they owe him alot of money or someshit.

01-31-2005, 04:04 PM	#15
BCWWF The People's Member Posts: 18,092	Thats what the Washington Post reported though, so I can't complain

02-01-2005, 06:18 PM	#16
Crimson Posts: 6,108	Funny how just a month ago Alex Smith wasn't a first rounder...now he's the NUMBER ONE PICK.. And no way Mike Williams falls out of the top 10, that would be a tragedy, GM's can't be that stupid. And don't the Vikings and Rams pick after the Cowboys and Ravens since they made the playoffs? its always been like that

02-01-2005, 07:04 PM	#17
OssMan The Classic Dylan Staples Posts: 51,448	I thought that Gibbs said they were looking to trade Rod Gardner and something else for Randy Moss? pretty sure Arrington wasnt involved in the trade

02-01-2005, 07:37 PM	#18
BCWWF The People's Member Posts: 18,092	Once again...THATS WHAT WAS REPORTED IN THE WASHINGTON POST, regardless of how stupid it sounds its not something I pulled out of my ass. That being said, it looks now like the Redskins would rather have Hines Ward or Mushin Mohammad.

02-01-2005, 11:32 PM	#19
Gonzo feel the madness Posts: 11,360	Randy Moss is an excellent receiver. Worth a 1st and 2nd, plus Arrington? No. Randy has too many issues that he would bring to the team to warrant that big of a trade. The Redskins always seem to go into Free Agency and spend an assload of money just to be mediocre at the end of the year. Seems silly to me.

02-02-2005, 12:49 AM	#20
BCWWF The People's Member Posts: 18,092	If they can pull in Ward of Muhammad though, and get decent QB and O-Line play they could be really good. Hines Ward and Clinton Portis Is Patrick Ramsey still going to be QB there? I was thinking maybe Kurt Warner? But he wouldn't be much of an upgrade.

02-02-2005, 01:39 PM	#21
MoRcHeEbA Dirty Sanchez Below Posts: 16,149	Hines Ward isn't going anywhere, Burris will probably leave pittsburgh and Muhammad will probably leave carolina but who knows.

02-02-2005, 05:40 PM	#23
BCWWF The People's Member Posts: 18,092	I have changed my mind, I don't want to trade Moss anymore. If it was one of those rediculous trades like Lavar and 2 DP's then it would have been completely neccessary, but it obviously wouldn't be like that. Up until the incident at Washington (Which wasn't as big of a deal as it was made), Moss had been really good for a long time. Then Joe Buck blew up the celebration issue, which was not a big deal AT ALL, and then all of the talk just started coming. Moss never told anybody in the press that he wanted a trade, it is all third party information right now. He is also one of the longest tenured Vikings, has a house in Minnesota, and does A LOT of charity work. Having him on the Vikings is not why they had another subpar season. It was not having him on the team that made them die. When he was healthy, they were 5-1 and most peoples pick for #2 team in the NFC. He completely opened up defenses, making Nate Burleson and whatever running back they decide to use much better. Our offense would be completely different and poor if you ask me, without Moss. We also do not need to trade Moss to get defensive help. Somebody posted the salary cap somewhere, the Vikings have a tonn of room and are reportedly planning on signing another Antoine Winfield caliber player on defense. With their cap room they can legitimately sign a good DB and LB, and our D-Line is already real good. Assume they draft LB's or DB's with their first two DP's, its safe to assume that they have a completely revamped defense next year. If you remember the beginning of the year, it was Duante, not Payton, that people were talking about to break Marinos TD record. Moss went down and the offense took a step back, but the whole team morale changed at that time too. Next year, if Moss is healthy all year, Rosenthal and Kliensasser return to the O-line, and there are some changes for the better in the defense, the Vikings would have to be your pick as the second best team (if not the first). As of right now, this is how I see the NFC finishing next year: 1. Eagles (East) 2. Vikings (North) 3. Falcons (South) 4. Seahawks (West) 5. Panthers (WC) 6. Rams/Lions/Giants

02-03-2005, 06:41 PM	#26
The Outlaw Unofficial Legend Posts: 11,931	lol

02-03-2005, 06:47 PM	#27
Bad Guy TPWW VET Posts: 10,837	NFC north could be the LIONS next year. If Moss gets traded and Favre retires OMG. Think about it we could get in the playoffs with like 7 wins cause that division would be so crappy. (I mean crappier than it already is)

02-03-2005, 07:02 PM	#28
BCWWF The People's Member Posts: 18,092	They would be trading Moss, not giving him up for nothing. The newspapers are now reporting that Moss isn't going to be traded, Culpepper wants him to stay and so do the coaches/front office. The Lions should be #2 in the NFC North easilly though, and if they really come together could get into the playoffs. Maybe Charles Rogers should consider not getting injured though, that could help.

02-04-2005, 12:55 AM	#29
Bad Guy TPWW VET Posts: 10,837	Rogers is garbage dude. When he's out there sure he's great, but that lasts about 2 plays.

02-04-2005, 12:59 AM	#30
BCWWF The People's Member Posts: 18,092	Thats why I said that if he wouldn't get injured it would help a lot

02-04-2005, 01:24 AM	#32
Innovator Inno Knows. Posts: 43,710	Favre retirement = shit hitting the fan in GB

02-10-2005, 11:53 PM	#33
Jesus Shuttlesworth Posts: 42,765	1. San Francisco 49ers: Alex Smith (jr.), QB, Utah A smart player who will pick up an NFL system quickly, Smith has good size, is mobile enough to hurt teams with his running ability and is also an efficient passer who can make all the necessary throws. 2. Miami Dolphins: Cedric Benson, RB, Texas A strong, tough runner with good speed for his size, Benson would help fill the void left by the retirement of Ricky Williams. But there is speculation the Dolphins will attempt to fill their running back need through trade, perhaps for Buffalo's Travis Henry, so stay tuned. 3. Cleveland Browns: Aaron Rodgers (jr.), QB, California Rodgers is a smart, accurate passer with a quick release. His arm strength is adequate and he is a better prospect at this point in his career than former Cal QB Kyle Boller, now the starter for the Baltimore Ravens. 4. Chicago Bears: Braylon Edwards, WR, Michigan Edwards has the size, speed and athleticism to take over games, and he did that several times in 2004. He also significantly cut down on dropped passes and concentration lapses this past season, pushing his stock even higher. 5. Tampa Bay Buccaneers: Carnell Williams, RB, Auburn A creative, deceptive runner with tremendous natural skills. Williams can get tough yards inside despite lacking ideal size, a point illustrated by his 29 rushing TDs over the last two years. Was also coached by Tampa head coach Jon Gruden in the Senior Bowl. 6. Tennessee Titans: Adam Jones, CB, West Virginia A good cover man who will also contribute as a kick returner, Jones has very good closing speed and is a willing tackler in run support. That may be his most important quality with the NFL hurting pass defenses by focusing on downfield infractions by defensive backs. 7. Oakland Raiders: Dan Cody, DE, Oklahoma A fiery, intense player who always goes all-out, Cody is similar to former NFL standout Kevin Greene in his ability to play on his feet as an outside linebacker, or in a three-point stance as a defensive end. 8. Arizona Cardinals: Ronnie Brown, RB, Auburn Perhaps the most complete back in the draft, Brown can carry or catch the ball with equal skill. He has size, instincts and quickness that allowed him to put up excellent numbers at the college level. 9. Washington Redskins: Mike Williams (jr.), WR, USC Williams did not play in 2004 but dominated the college game for two seasons while at USC. His 6-foot-5, 230-pound frame gives him a big advantage over defensive backs, and he has excellent hands. Would be a great help in the development of quarterback Patrick Ramsey and help take some pressure off Clinton Portis in the running game. Marcus Spears Marcus Spears bolstered his stock immensely in Mobile. 10. Detroit Lions: Marcus Spears, DE, LSU Spears boosted his stock immensely with an outstanding performance at the Senior Bowl. He showcased his speed, strength and athleticism against some of the best offensive linemen in the nation, and his size would make him a welcome addition for a team that needs to boost its pass rush. 11. Dallas Cowboys: Travis Johnson, DT, Florida State Spends a lot of time in opposing backfields after collapsing the pocket or gaining penetration against the run. Came on strong and raised his stock significantly during his senior year. 12. San Diego Chargers (from NYG): Derrick Johnson, OLB, Texas Has the speed and strength to chase ballcarriers from sideline to sideline and make things happen when he gets to the ball. 13. Houston Texans: Troy Williamson (jr.), WR, South Carolina Perhaps the fastest wideout in the draft, Williamson would be a nice complement to budding superstar and physical wideout Andre Johnson. 14. Carolina Panthers: Alex Barron, OT, Florida State With light feet for a player his size, Barron is a consistent blocker who is equally adept in both the pass and run games. 15. Kansas City Chiefs: Shawne Merriman (jr.), DE/OLB, Maryland A workout warrior who would help shore up a defensive line that had trouble pressuring the quarterback last season. Expect Kansas City to commit nearly its entire draft to the defensive side of the ball. 16. New Orleans Saints: Brodney Pool (jr.), S, Oklahoma A complete safety who excels in coverage and is more than adequate in run support, Pool has excellent size, covers a lot of ground and shows good anticipation in diagnosing plays. 17. Cincinnati Bengals: Roddy White, WR, UAB A big-play wideout who averaged 20.0 yards per catch last season, White's combination of size and speed is in the elite category. 18. Minnesota Vikings: Shaun Cody, DL, USC A versatile lineman who can play end or tackle, and was a leader on the nation's best rush defense.. 19. St. Louis Rams: Erasmus James, DE, Wisconsin Has to answer questions about his durability, but when healthy, James was a force along the line who commanded double-team blocks on a regular basis. 20. Dallas Cowboys (from BUF): Antrell Rolle, CB, Miami A good cover man who did not see a lot of balls thrown his way in 2004, Rolle was still a force in run support and is adept at blitzing off the corner. 21. Jacksonville Jaguars: Khalif Barnes, OT, Washington Another player who raised his stock at the Senior Bowl, where he answered questions about a wrist injury that sidelined him for the final six games of 2004. Excellent in both run and pass blocking and earned the respect of Iowa DE Matt Roth at the Senior Bowl, with Roth calling Barnes the best tackle he faced all season. Mark Clayton Mark Clayton would be a great weapon for Kyle Boller. 22. Baltimore Ravens: Mark Clayton, WR, Oklahoma Has excellent speed and is one of the best in years at running after the catch, making Clayton a big-play threat who would give young QB Kyle Boller another option on the outside. 23. Seattle Seahawks: Matt Roth, DE, Iowa A tremendous natural pass rusher who has fire and intensity, Roth's outstanding consistency this season helped raise his stock. 24. Green Bay Packers: Thomas Davis (jr.), OLB, Georgia A punishing tackler who played safety in college, Davis has the size and speed to become a force in the front seven at the pro level. 25. Denver Broncos: Demarcus Ware, OLB, Troy Needs to add a little bulk to his frame, but his quickness would give a boost to a Denver pass rush that was lackluster in 2004. 26. New York Jets: Carlos Rogers, CB, Auburn A physical player who is an asset in run support and also has the speed to be an outstanding cover man. Rogers was the best player on a very good Auburn defense thanks to his consistency and durability. 27. Atlanta Falcons: Brandon Browner (so.), CB, Oregon State With his good size and speed, Browner is a consistent cover man who would be a nice complement to last year's top pick, fellow CB D'Angelo Hall. 28. San Diego Chargers: Roscoe Parrish (jr.), WR, Miami A speedy guy who would round out a receiving corps bolstered this season by the addition of Keenan McCardell and the emergence of TE Antonio Gates. Parrish would also be an asset in the return game. 29. Indianapolis Colts: Anttaj Hawthorne, DT, Wisconsin His combination of size, strength and athleticism make Hawthorne an ideal 4-3 defensive tackle. He knows how to handle double-team blocks and can create lost-yardage plays. 30. Pittsburgh Steelers: Heath Miller (jr.), TE, Virginia A tremendous pass receiver and a willing blocker along the line, Miller would give young quarterback Ben Roethlisberger another weapon to complement his wide receivers and also be a help to the Pittsburgh running game. 31. Philadelphia Eagles: Reggie Brown, WR, Georgia Has excellent size and hands and gained plenty of attention with a good Senior Bowl showing. Would be a nice addition to a receiving corps led by Terrell Owens. 32. New England Patriots: Channing Crowder (so.), MLB, Florida Crowder immediately became one of the best linebackers in college after setting foot on campus. He has all the skills and instincts to be a tremendous middle linebacker at the next level. Borderline first-rounders The players below are on the very fringe of the first round and depending on how things shake down some, all or none of them could ultimately end up being taken off the board in the first 31 selections: # Darryl Blackstock, OLB, Virginia # Jammal Brown, OT, Oklahoma # Jason Campbell, QB, Auburn # Charlie Frye, QB, Akron # Bryant McFadden, CB, Florida State # David Pollack, DE, Georgia # Justin Tuck (jr.), DE, Notre Dame

02-11-2005, 12:00 AM	#34
DaveWadding LIMITLESS Posts: 32,276	The Rams NEED Antrell Rolle

02-11-2005, 12:31 AM	#35
BCWWF The People's Member Posts: 18,092	I was hoping the Vikings would make a run for him. Wasn't he projected to go a lot higher earlier? Anyway, I've heard Shaun Cody before, but we don't need another D-lineman, we have three good guys and one solid guy. We have one good DB and one average one, we need him, bitch

02-11-2005, 12:39 AM	#36
DaveWadding LIMITLESS Posts: 32,276	The Rams have... ONE good DB (Aeneas) so screw you.

02-11-2005, 01:35 AM	#37
Innovator Inno Knows. Posts: 43,710	Giants need to spend their other 6 picks on o-line, linebackers, and see if theres a deep threat at receiver