NHL season

**Bad Guy** · 02-03-2005, 06:37 PM

likely canceled. ESPN projects an announcement tommorrow. Can't say I'm surprised but it's a damn shame.

**Arashi Kage** · 02-03-2005, 06:51 PM

I'm really not impressed with the NHLPA, I have a bad feeling that it's gonna be the owners who bend. If we don't get the cap, I'll be very unhappy.

If we lose the Oilers because of no cap, I'll be really unhappy.

If the NHL gets a cap, and some southern team moves back to Winnipeg and/or Quebec City - I can only dream of it.

**Splaya** · 02-03-2005, 06:55 PM

All I have to say is

**BCWWF** · 02-03-2005, 07:00 PM

I think the players have a lot more to lose then the owners though, so I think the players are eventually going to have to give in.

**Jesus Shuttlesworth** · 02-04-2005, 01:08 AM

Why don't they just get a cap like NBA and NFL? Those 2 leagues probably make way more then the NHL too and they are both doing alright with the cap. Players are acting like getting a cap is going to keep them from feeding their kids. Still gonna get a ridiculous amount of money to play a GAME.

**Zen v.W.o.** · 02-04-2005, 02:33 AM

Couldn't agree more Stima. Model themselves after the NFL..how can you go wrong with the way that league is run?

**Heyman** · 02-04-2005, 02:38 AM

STiMa might be a homosexual that sucks his father's penis, but he makes very valid points in this thread.

To go one step further, I'd also emmulate the NFL in every other way (i.e. no trading until the offseason, etc.).

**BCWWF** · 02-04-2005, 01:04 PM

That is kind of taken out of context though. When the PA says stuff like that they aren't saying "Joe Sakic needs to make an unlimited amount of money", they are referring to the guys on the third lines and the ones that are playing with only one leg over the fence. They could be using that as an excuse so that the Joe Sakic's and Jaromir Jagr's can still make millions, but its for you to decide.

I like Jeremy Roenick, there was something on him on ESPN.com and then he was on SportsCenter last night. He basically said that he thinks the players would go for some sort of cap if it was around 50 million, and that the whole situation is stupid and needs to be resolved, but in more of a JR sort of fashion...Dunno, he's the man though.

**MoRcHeEbA** · 02-04-2005, 03:05 PM

JR is an idiot... Also this whole thing hassn't been resolved partly because the NHLPA won't even let their players vote on any of the offers the NHL has put fourth. the last proposal I have heard is that the NHL was offering a 45 million dollar cap and it was outright rejected. The only people that I think are against the cap are players like Roenick who are making 7 million a season, guys who are playing on third lines and whatnot are probably only making 700,000 to a million a season so they could really care less because they'll still be making virtually the same amount anyway.

**John la Rock** · 02-04-2005, 05:36 PM

the NHL in the US is dead

**Adder** · 02-04-2005, 06:43 PM

I want to be a scab player.

**House of Pancakes** · 02-04-2005, 07:08 PM

i just don't get the mentality of the players sometimes.

why would they rather have no league, make no money, and have to work day jobs... OR accept a salary cap and make 2 million a year instead of 5 million a year?

**The Outlaw** · 02-04-2005, 07:35 PM

Saw a poll on ESPN that said noone cared.

No states in the US cared that the NHL is basically finished

**Loose Cannon** · 02-04-2005, 07:38 PM

that sucks, I'm really going to miss all the memories.

**Loose Cannon** · 02-04-2005, 07:39 PM

whoops, wrong thread. Meant to go here http://www.tpww.net/forums/showthread.php?t=26068

**Loose Cannon** · 02-04-2005, 07:39 PM

**BCWWF** · 02-04-2005, 08:30 PM

Minnesota, Michigan, and Colorado still care

**MVP** · 02-04-2005, 11:42 PM

So does Maine

This really sucks. I've been trying to make a point of the tax cap for quite some time now, and it's really meant nothing.

**DaveWadding** · 02-05-2005, 12:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arashi Kage

If the NHL gets a cap, and some southern team moves back to Winnipeg and/or Quebec City - I can only dream of it.

Nobody cares about the NHL in LA, Columbus, Carolina, Jacksonville (or whereever the Panthers play), or Nashville. Move one/all of those teams back north.

**BCWWF** · 02-05-2005, 04:45 AM

Columbus kind of surprises me, are you sure? It seems like they have enough of a winter to be hockey fans.

I always thought that the Panthers played in Miami? Not sure though. And actually I am pretty sure that Nashville had a really solid fan base last year. The team that they definately need to move are the Carolina Hurricanes. That is the problem with the NHL, there is just not enough interest in it, and that is why salaries definately need to be restricted. There are so many little things that they can do and need to do to make the league more economically sound, but they can't unless they figure out a way to market better or else completely change how they run.

Who knows though, maybe they come back next year, Sidney Crosby becomes amazing in the next couple, and it has the same affect that the McGuire and Sosa home run battle did...

**Gonzo** · 02-05-2005, 12:27 PM

I'm kind of indifferent on the subject, if the NHL is lost it will be a shame, but I think I'll be just as happy by getting my fill of sports with the NFL.

**The Outlaw** · 02-05-2005, 04:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BCWWF

Minnesota, Michigan, and Colorado still care

Well obviously they don't according to the poll. The state that was closest to "caring" was Michigan.

**BCWWF** · 02-05-2005, 04:43 PM

Do you realize how innacurate a poll is?

**The Outlaw** · 02-07-2005, 12:16 PM

Yeah I do. But, obviously, the majority of people that watches sportscenter doesn't care about hockey. I've always liked hockey, can't say it will affect me like baseball or football would, but it still sucks.

**BCWWF** · 02-07-2005, 01:09 PM

Hockey is by far the most popular sport in Minnesota, and that reaches far beyond the NHL. The high school state tournament sells out the 18,000 seat Xcel Energy Center and the Gophers are consistantly one of the top teams in the nation for college hockey, always attracting sellout crowds.

The way that poll works out would be innacurate for any sport in this situation. If the NBA season just didn't start next year, people wouldn't really feel like this miss it as much as if it ended in the middle of the season. Judging by the popularity of each league in recent years, basketball would probably be missed more, but people wouldn't be crying in the streets feeling deprived. Hockey didn't have great numbers last year, and it just never started this year, so in people's minds they aren't missing out on the NHL, and that is really my thoughts too. That doesn't mean that if the season was going that they would not care. The good American markets (Colorado, Minnesota, Detroit) would still be selling out every game and it would still have a loyal fan base.

**Kapoutman** · 02-08-2005, 02:38 AM

Losing the NHL would be the worst thing that could happen to professional sport in Canada. They actually talked for a while of making a Canadian Hockey League last year, and it would probably be good if they can get enough quality players to sign.

**PsychoSport** · 02-08-2005, 02:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zen v.W.o.

Couldn't agree more Stima. Model themselves after the NFL..how can you go wrong with the way that league is run?

The NHL owners don't have nearly as much leverage as the NFL owners did.

It would never happen.

02-03-2005, 06:37 PM	#1
Bad Guy TPWW VET Posts: 10,837	NHL season likely canceled. ESPN projects an announcement tommorrow. Can't say I'm surprised but it's a damn shame.

02-03-2005, 06:51 PM	#2
Arashi Kage Painkiller Posts: 1,124	I'm really not impressed with the NHLPA, I have a bad feeling that it's gonna be the owners who bend. If we don't get the cap, I'll be very unhappy. If we lose the Oilers because of no cap, I'll be really unhappy. If the NHL gets a cap, and some southern team moves back to Winnipeg and/or Quebec City - I can only dream of it.

02-03-2005, 06:55 PM	#3
Splaya 1-0 TPWW Chess Master Posts: 17,211	All I have to say is

02-03-2005, 07:00 PM	#4
BCWWF The People's Member Posts: 18,092	I think the players have a lot more to lose then the owners though, so I think the players are eventually going to have to give in.

02-04-2005, 01:08 AM	#5
Jesus Shuttlesworth Posts: 42,765	Why don't they just get a cap like NBA and NFL? Those 2 leagues probably make way more then the NHL too and they are both doing alright with the cap. Players are acting like getting a cap is going to keep them from feeding their kids. Still gonna get a ridiculous amount of money to play a GAME.

02-04-2005, 02:33 AM	#6
Zen v.W.o. GO HABS GO! Posts: 4,018	Couldn't agree more Stima. Model themselves after the NFL..how can you go wrong with the way that league is run?

02-04-2005, 02:38 AM	#7
Heyman Father of Hinduship Posts: 21,083	STiMa might be a homosexual that sucks his father's penis, but he makes very valid points in this thread. To go one step further, I'd also emmulate the NFL in every other way (i.e. no trading until the offseason, etc.).

02-04-2005, 01:04 PM	#8
BCWWF The People's Member Posts: 18,092	That is kind of taken out of context though. When the PA says stuff like that they aren't saying "Joe Sakic needs to make an unlimited amount of money", they are referring to the guys on the third lines and the ones that are playing with only one leg over the fence. They could be using that as an excuse so that the Joe Sakic's and Jaromir Jagr's can still make millions, but its for you to decide. I like Jeremy Roenick, there was something on him on ESPN.com and then he was on SportsCenter last night. He basically said that he thinks the players would go for some sort of cap if it was around 50 million, and that the whole situation is stupid and needs to be resolved, but in more of a JR sort of fashion...Dunno, he's the man though.

02-04-2005, 03:05 PM	#9
MoRcHeEbA Dirty Sanchez Below Posts: 16,149	JR is an idiot... Also this whole thing hassn't been resolved partly because the NHLPA won't even let their players vote on any of the offers the NHL has put fourth. the last proposal I have heard is that the NHL was offering a 45 million dollar cap and it was outright rejected. The only people that I think are against the cap are players like Roenick who are making 7 million a season, guys who are playing on third lines and whatnot are probably only making 700,000 to a million a season so they could really care less because they'll still be making virtually the same amount anyway.

02-04-2005, 05:36 PM	#10
John la Rock That's how I roll!!! Posts: 4,437	the NHL in the US is dead

02-04-2005, 06:43 PM	#11
Adder A.W.O.L. Posts: 5,862	I want to be a scab player.

02-04-2005, 07:39 PM	#16
Loose Cannon I'm all there is Posts: 31,811

02-04-2005, 07:08 PM	#12
House of Pancakes Suicide's on the menu Posts: 914	i just don't get the mentality of the players sometimes. why would they rather have no league, make no money, and have to work day jobs... OR accept a salary cap and make 2 million a year instead of 5 million a year?

02-04-2005, 07:35 PM	#13
The Outlaw Unofficial Legend Posts: 11,931	Saw a poll on ESPN that said noone cared. No states in the US cared that the NHL is basically finished

02-04-2005, 07:38 PM	#14
Loose Cannon I'm all there is Posts: 31,811	that sucks, I'm really going to miss all the memories.

02-04-2005, 08:30 PM	#17
BCWWF The People's Member Posts: 18,092	Minnesota, Michigan, and Colorado still care

02-04-2005, 11:42 PM	#18
MVP Mas Vagina Porfavor Posts: 11,343	So does Maine This really sucks. I've been trying to make a point of the tax cap for quite some time now, and it's really meant nothing.

02-05-2005, 04:45 AM	#20
BCWWF The People's Member Posts: 18,092	Columbus kind of surprises me, are you sure? It seems like they have enough of a winter to be hockey fans. I always thought that the Panthers played in Miami? Not sure though. And actually I am pretty sure that Nashville had a really solid fan base last year. The team that they definately need to move are the Carolina Hurricanes. That is the problem with the NHL, there is just not enough interest in it, and that is why salaries definately need to be restricted. There are so many little things that they can do and need to do to make the league more economically sound, but they can't unless they figure out a way to market better or else completely change how they run. Who knows though, maybe they come back next year, Sidney Crosby becomes amazing in the next couple, and it has the same affect that the McGuire and Sosa home run battle did...

02-05-2005, 12:27 PM	#21
Gonzo feel the madness Posts: 11,360	I'm kind of indifferent on the subject, if the NHL is lost it will be a shame, but I think I'll be just as happy by getting my fill of sports with the NFL.

02-05-2005, 04:43 PM	#23
BCWWF The People's Member Posts: 18,092	Do you realize how innacurate a poll is?

02-07-2005, 12:16 PM	#24
The Outlaw Unofficial Legend Posts: 11,931	Yeah I do. But, obviously, the majority of people that watches sportscenter doesn't care about hockey. I've always liked hockey, can't say it will affect me like baseball or football would, but it still sucks.

02-07-2005, 01:09 PM	#25
BCWWF The People's Member Posts: 18,092	Hockey is by far the most popular sport in Minnesota, and that reaches far beyond the NHL. The high school state tournament sells out the 18,000 seat Xcel Energy Center and the Gophers are consistantly one of the top teams in the nation for college hockey, always attracting sellout crowds. The way that poll works out would be innacurate for any sport in this situation. If the NBA season just didn't start next year, people wouldn't really feel like this miss it as much as if it ended in the middle of the season. Judging by the popularity of each league in recent years, basketball would probably be missed more, but people wouldn't be crying in the streets feeling deprived. Hockey didn't have great numbers last year, and it just never started this year, so in people's minds they aren't missing out on the NHL, and that is really my thoughts too. That doesn't mean that if the season was going that they would not care. The good American markets (Colorado, Minnesota, Detroit) would still be selling out every game and it would still have a loyal fan base.

02-08-2005, 02:38 AM	#26
Kapoutman Hockey Superstar Posts: 11,381	Losing the NHL would be the worst thing that could happen to professional sport in Canada. They actually talked for a while of making a Canadian Hockey League last year, and it would probably be good if they can get enough quality players to sign.