Technical Wrestling

whatever happened to it? I mean now days we have crap like JBL, John Cena, HHH, Batista in the main event. ANd the new guys who are brought in are crap, look at those retards, no technical ability at all. Remember the good old days when Bret Hart wrestled HBK in an iron man match? or when Savage and steamboat had their classic at WM III? i miss those days. But I blame the fans, wrestling got shit with the likes of foley and stone cold and that whole WWF attitude days. Ric Flair was right about foley and he is 1000 times better than foley. I miss the old days but you idiot newbie fans having ruined the product. You can take your John Cena wigger crap and shove it.

[Loose Cannon]

What are you talking about? Technical wrestling has taken a back side to pople like Hogan/Bundy/Piper/Andre/Taker/Yoko/Luger/Diesal/Vader/Giant/Batista etc etc etc for years. What old days?

I bet you like Ring of Honor.

Yeah the WWF was more show, I was talking more about the old NWA and AWA, although there was some crap in there too but the matches were better.

[Loose Cannon]

You mentioned two WWF matches . How is that AWA/NWA?

[jerichoholic169]

you watched any WWE recently?? Kirk Angel, Eddie, Rey, Y2J, Captain fucking' Charisma, Benoit all mix it up pretty well in the ring.

Originally Posted by Loose Cannon You mentioned two WWF matches . How is that AWA/NWA?

I was giving an example of decent WWF matches. But as I whole I think that tha NWA and AWA had way better matches. I think I'm a little pissed at John Cena being champ too, he sucks, his gimmick is shit and I don't know why people cheer his wigger garbage.

[Cactus Sid]

Originally Posted by TW Mangrove whatever happened to it? I mean now days we have crap like JBL, John Cena, HHH, Batista in the main event. ANd the new guys who are brought in are crap, look at those retards, no technical ability at all. Remember the good old days when Bret Hart wrestled HBK in an iron man match? or when Savage and steamboat had their classic at WM III? i miss those days. But I blame the fans, wrestling got shit with the likes of foley and stone cold and that whole WWF attitude days. Ric Flair was right about foley and he is 1000 times better than foley. I miss the old days but you idiot newbie fans having ruined the product. You can take your John Cena wigger crap and shove it.

I think you forget that the WWE is all about catering for all types of fans and all types of wrestling.

Did you see Smackdown last week? The WWE gave the public Guerrero and Angle, and they gave a great technical display.

What I think you forget is that while Savage and Steamboat were out having their classic, the people came to watch Hogan vs Andre, you get the best of both worlds. In all honesty, if you headlined a show with Guerrero vs Angle with an undercard stuff full of equally good technical matches, there wouldn't be nearly as much build for the match, as you'd have seen everything already.

As for saying Austin and Foley are to blame for wrestling getting shit, your a complete moron. Austin put on technical classics with plenty of people while he was in the WWE, he wasn't a one dimensional brawler the whole time, and quite frankly he wouldn't have sold as many tickets if people didn't believe he was gonna have a good match. As for Foley, hey, each to his own, but I would honestly take watching the Streetfight he had with Triple H in MSG at the Royal Rumble over pretty much any match, because it had everything. Techincal wrestling isn't just about the wrestling, its about the psychology put into the match to get the crowd involved, and lets face it, very few got people into a match more than Austin, Rock or Foley and guess what...they aren't "Technical" wrestlers.

I don't quite understand why its the "newbie" fans fault. I would wager that the WWE has put on more sterling technical classics since 1998 than between Wrestlemania III and XII.

Don't forget, the fans pay to watch PPV's for the matches, not for who is on them, so at the end of the day its down to the WWE to put these matches on the table, not the fans.

If you want to watch 4 hours of technical wrestling, go and watch Ring Of Honor.

[Fignuts]

I'd rather have a mixture of styles, than all technical wrestlers. A brawler can have a phenomenal match as long as he knows storytelling and ring psychology.

[Zen v.W.o.]

ROH isnt all technical wrestling. It can be like watching fancy ballet. Nothing but guys trying to show off their athletic ability.

[wwe2222]

Before he hurt his neck, Austin could put on some terriffic technical matches. Plus, the stone cold character called for a little bit more of a brawler.

Like mentioned above, Foley had great psychology for his matches. Honestly, thats what makes the difference between a guy like foley and some of the other guys who just go out there try to brawl. There is no psychology to it, no real rhyme (sp?) or reason to their matches.

Plus nowadays you still have some good to great tech. wrestlers. You need a mix of both. While I am not a 'newbie' (ive watched wrestling since the mid 80s), I cant blame the new fans for ruining wrestling. Thats just wrong to say.

Besides, since the attitude era, we have been so saturated with wrestling every week you dont get the same buildup to matches cause fueds only last a couple weeks or so. Wrestlers get placed into short matches on a weekly basis, no time to really work out alot of chemistry.

[redoneja]

RoH can be like fancy ballet but then again so is lucha libre. RoH isn't just all technical wrestling, they've had Scramble Cage Matches and more than a few good brawls. As a WRESTLING mark(not a sports-entertainment mark mind you) I love a good technical match but like Mr Fignuts I prefer a mixture of styles.

[foodstampchamp]

I've always found that ROH provides a good mix of things. You have Hardcore Brawls, Spotty Scrambles, and Pure Wrestling classics. There is a huge difference between variety and putting trash like Heidenreich and Chris Masters on your screen. ROH proves that you can make match quality top notch and still have captivating storylines to keep the casual fan interested.

[Nark Order]

Trips does try to integrate some technical stuff into his matches nowadays. He's not too bad at it either...

[Kane Knight]

Originally Posted by Loose Cannon What are you talking about? Technical wrestling has taken a back side to pople like Hogan/Bundy/Piper/Andre/Taker/Yoko/Luger/Diesal/Vader/Giant/Batista etc etc etc for years. What old days? I bet you like Ring of Honor.

Fuck you, you stupid mark! Hogan is one of the greatest technical wrestler sof all time!!!!!!!!!!

[Innovator]

Originally Posted by redoneja RoH can be like fancy ballet but then again so is lucha libre. RoH isn't just all technical wrestling, they've had Scramble Cage Matches and more than a few good brawls. As a WRESTLING mark(not a sports-entertainment mark mind you) I love a good technical match but like Mr Fignuts I prefer a mixture of styles.

yeah last thing I'd call Samoa Joe would be a technical wizard, but he can brawl like no other.

[jjmoney21]

Best technical, Angle, Eddie, Christian, Benoit, Jericho. All nowadays. Great wrestling. Just more drama thats about it.

[Dave Youell]

WWE > ROH

and I love ROH! But the guys on the WWE roster IF they were allowed to do all there stuff would piss all over the ROH roster, but as has alreadt been said, the masses don't want great technical matches all the time. They want the cheesy gimmicks that get over with catch lines, they love the soap aspect of it all. In some cases all they care about is the result and not the match at all. At least that's how i felt when i was a kid, I didn't pick apart matches, i just enjoyed watching them and wanted the face to win and I didn't care how

[McLegend]

Also Jerchio does not mix it up in the ring at all. He does the same moves everytime.

[Dave Youell]

Originally Posted by legend Also Jerchio does not mix it up in the ring at all. He does the same moves everytime.

So does Benoit, HHH, RVD, Eddie G, Rey, The rest of the lockeroom

unless it's a special one off, like an actual decent PPVIt's done to work the crowd, They will cheers for moves they recognise. If a worker came out and did brand new moves each time with a different finisher I think they would have a really touch time getting over with the crowd

[Kane Knight]

Originally Posted by legend Also Jerchio does not mix it up in the ring at all. He does the same moves everytime.

Currently.

After he's been watered down. Even his finisher is nothing like it used to be.

[Disturbed316]

ROH is for child molesters. I bet Michael Jackson watches it.

[Loose Cannon]

Yea, Jericho has been about as watered down as you can get. He just flounders around week after week doing nothing really.

[Londoner]

Sadly, that is very true. I wonder if Y2J is heading to Smackdown,hopefully he will be allowed more moves on there.It's dumb though, if your not gonna allow them to do there proper moves, then like ive said before, don't run a fucking wrestling show.

[Kane Knight]

Originally Posted by ThugLife Sadly, that is very true. I wonder if Y2J is heading to Smackdown,hopefully he will be allowed more moves on there.It's dumb though, if your not gonna allow them to do there proper moves, then like ive said before, don't run a fucking wrestling show.

Theodore Long: Now, I hear you like to work a solid match. Around here, you only get 7 moves per match.

Jericho: Woohoo! Upgrade!

[Londoner]

Lmao...

[Crashnburn]

Originally Posted by ThugLife Sadly, that is very true. I wonder if Y2J is heading to Smackdown,hopefully he will be allowed more moves on there.It's dumb though, if your not gonna allow them to do there proper moves, then like ive said before, don't run a fucking wrestling show.

Found this on another site and thought you might be interested.

[Source: PWTorch]

"-- Chris Jericho, who has become even more outspoken than ever about WWE, may not renew his contract. His deal with the company ends late this year, and he has been very open about his frustrations. A source close to Jericho backstage, says that he is stale and knows it, but is frustrated that he isn’t given more attention from the creative staff.

The creative team, of about 8 or 9 members, feels that it’s not worth heavily investing any time in him until he renews his contract. This means that Jericho isn’t a top candidate to be moved to Smackdown in the upcoming draft, and given a renewed push."

[redoneja]

Roh Wrestling > WWE Wrestling
But like Youell said, if WWE guys had the opportunity they would wipe the floor with (most) of RoH. But then again most of the RoH roster is very young, whereas the WWE Roster is comprised of vets. I would love to see American Dragon v Chris Beniot, or Christopher Daniels v Kurt Angle

Its probably pretty obvious that I mark out for RoH, isn't it

[Dave Youell]

Originally Posted by redoneja Roh Wrestling > WWE Wrestling

[The Highlander]

Originally Posted by jjmoney21 Best technical, Angle, Eddie, Christian, Benoit, Jericho. All nowadays.

Bret owns them all.

As much a technical wrestling fan as I am (My favorate wrestler of all time is Bret Hart, and my favorite currents are Benoit {Raw} and Angle {Smackdown}), even I would get bored having nothing but technical matches on the shows. For every Benoit, you need a Stone Cold, for every Christian, a Mysterio, for every Angle, a Eugene, for every Eddie, a Kane. For every Triple H, you need a Chris Masters, then you take Triple H and Chris Masters and chuck them both out the window because they suck.

[Dave Youell]

I respect Bret, but if you want to talk about repetitive, he takes the cake, every match he had for 3 years finished the same way.

Forearm from the second rope
Maybe throw in a bulldog
Atomic Drop
Sharpshooter

At least with the current watered down repetitive matches they can use a different comination to get to that finisher Bret didn't, I know the guy was decent and i'm going to get flamed to hell, but he wasn't any different from the current batch or workers everyone is currently complaining about.

yes the same rules still apply that if he was allowed to do more he probably could, but he didn't/wasn't allowed to, so he goes in the same bucket as everyone else IMO

[The Gooch]

Nostalgia distorts reality. What made Savage vs. Steamboat great was not the technical wrestling, it was that it was fucking dramatic. Psychology is what is needed most. One of my favourite matches of recent years was Flair vs. Triple H a couple years ago on RAW. Flair is old, but the psychology of the match led me to believe he had a chance to win. Rationally he didn't stand a chance, but both he and Hunter played their respective roles amazingly and had me at the edge of my seat.

[BigDaddyCool]

Pure techincal wrestling is boring and for faggots. Who wants to watch to sweaty guy in underwear roll around on the match panting and huffing away to pin the other? You want techincal wrestling go watch some ameture wrestling.

Next your are going to be talking about how you preffer snuff films, you sicken me.

[BigDaddyCool]

btw, it isn't always the wrestlers' fault the matches aren't techincal masterpieces. There are time limits on Raw and Smackdown that have to put up with.

[Fignuts]

And if you want to see two guys brawl for 20 minutes, then just go to your local crackhouse, and throw a fiver between two addicts. Of course they would only go five minutes because they would both tear their quads and be out for six months.

[Kane Knight]

Originally Posted by BigDaddyCool Pure techincal wrestling is boring and for faggots. Who wants to watch to sweaty guy in underwear roll around on the match panting and huffing away to pin the other? You want techincal wrestling go watch some ameture wrestling. Next your are going to be talking about how you preffer snuff films, you sicken me.

Yeah, you just want to see them grab each other while standing.

[Londoner]

Originally Posted by Crashnburn Found this on another site and thought you might be interested. [Source: PWTorch] "-- Chris Jericho, who has become even more outspoken than ever about WWE, may not renew his contract. His deal with the company ends late this year, and he has been very open about his frustrations. A source close to Jericho backstage, says that he is stale and knows it, but is frustrated that he isn’t given more attention from the creative staff. The creative team, of about 8 or 9 members, feels that it’s not worth heavily investing any time in him until he renews his contract. This means that Jericho isn’t a top candidate to be moved to Smackdown in the upcoming draft, and given a renewed push."

Fuck man that sucks, but i think the key part there is where it says '8 or 9 members' , if your a creative team you don't need that many 'creative' members, because that shows your not very creative by having so many. And is why Jericho is being held down so much.

And thats a bollocks excuse they gave, they've had about 4 years since his title run to invest in him, and he would've boosted the ratings i guarantee you, but what the fuck have they done?Fuck all. WWE give such shitty excuses, if he does renew i don't think he wont be involved much.

[The Gooch]

Originally Posted by ThugLife Fuck man that sucks, but i think the key part there is where it says '8 or 9 members' , if your a creative team you don't need that many 'creative' members, because that shows your not very creative by having so many. And is why Jericho is being held down so much. And thats a bollocks excuse they gave, they've had about 4 years since his title run to invest in him, and he would've boosted the ratings i guarantee you, but what the fuck have they done?Fuck all. WWE give such shitty excuses, if he does renew i don't think he wont be involved much.

Jericho continues to be the biggest waste of talent ever by the WWE in my opinion. I will always believe that he had his push cut from underneath him. Not mentioning names, but I think you all know who I'm talking about. I can't prove it, but call it a gut feel. It boggles my mind why they don't just send him to Smackdown where he can be a top guy. Perhaps this will happen in the draft.

I'm glad he has the guts to voice his displeasure. Unfortunately this may not be a very smart business decision. Ask RVD.

[Kane Knight]

Originally Posted by ThugLife Fuck man that sucks, but i think the key part there is where it says '8 or 9 members' , if your a creative team you don't need that many 'creative' members, because that shows your not very creative by having so many. And is why Jericho is being held down so much.

Bull.

More members doesn't make for less creativity. Lack of a spine does (The WWE's problem). Having 8 or 9 different people toss out ideas is a GOOD thing.

[Just John]

Why does this sound like a thread I would make?

I mean aren't I the one who always complains about John Cena and how the attitude era was soo much better?

[Londoner]

Originally Posted by Kane Knight Bull. More members doesn't make for less creativity. Lack of a spine does (The WWE's problem). Having 8 or 9 different people toss out ideas is a GOOD thing.

I disagree, surely if it only comes from one or two people, and then Vince, like it used to be, then we would have far better shows? Having so many members=more politics + more people who know nothing about the wrestling buisness. Besides, it takes alot longer to get through 8 or 9 ideas, therefore increasing the chance of a poor show.