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Old 01-29-2004, 06:58 PM   #1
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Bob Holly interview
http://www.4w-wrestling.com/newsline/8100.shtml

I thought this quote was interesting:


As far as Tough Enough and whether there should have been a fourth season, Holly feels that there are some pros and cons to the idea. It was good entertainment, did a good rating for MTV, and if they did another one, he would like to do it if he isn’t involved in anything, but there’s a lot of stuff that he disagrees with. “Some of the cast members that do win that clearly aren’t in the same league that we are, they don’t have to pay their dues. Yeah, for ten weeks, they go through a lot of training and stuff like that,” he explains, “but they didn’t go through the years of trying to make it, sleeping in your car, or driving for three, four, five, six hours and making no money. Some of these guys that are in the business now just have everything handed to them and I disagree with that. That kind of irritates me a lot because there’s some of the guys in our locker room that are like that and believe me, if I get a chance to be in the ring with them, I will eat them alive.”

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What an insecure, old man. I wish Brock would have beat his ass again, or Benoit would teach him a thing or two.
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Old 01-29-2004, 07:01 PM   #2
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Just cause he had it hard means everybody else should forever. **** advancing.

On a side note, I think social security should be done away with, my great great grandfather didn't have that luxury.
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Old 01-29-2004, 07:16 PM   #3
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Yeah, and we should also bring back laws that made blacks equal, and take back the right for women to vote...

Why not? living in the past seems to make everything better.
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Old 01-29-2004, 07:19 PM   #4
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Wow he sure is a tough guy.
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Old 01-29-2004, 07:21 PM   #5
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Sounds like Sour grapes by Holly because he can't make it big in the WWE.

I don't believe in having to pay your dues.If you are talented enough you should make it.It's Holly's problem that he isn't that talented and has to work for everything he gets.
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Old 01-29-2004, 07:24 PM   #6
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I don't even think he earns it. He got his neck broken...This is earning his right? Talk about failing upwards.
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Old 01-29-2004, 07:24 PM   #7
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Yeah, I have a lot of respect for Hardcore Holly now.

Beat up the guys who came from Tough Enough and are half his size. But take it easy on guys like The Undertaker and Brock.

Of course this is because Taker and Brock paid their dues, and not because they could beat Holly's ass up and down.
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Sounds like Sour grapes by Holly because he can't make it big in the WWE.
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Old 01-30-2004, 12:16 AM   #9
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I really wish Bob would try to fight Brock legit.
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Old 01-30-2004, 12:18 AM   #10
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Like we needed more reason to hate Holly.
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Old 01-30-2004, 12:23 AM   #11
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So basically Bob would hate Goldberg then and eat him alive if they had a match?
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No, you're getting Bob confused with Mark Henry in this case (see captions).
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I really wish Bob would try to fight Brock legit.
Do you really wanna see Holly get killed?
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Old 01-30-2004, 12:31 AM   #14
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No, you're getting Bob confused with Mark Henry in this case (see captions).
Henry would eat him...Literally...
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Do you really wanna see Holly get killed?
I'm thinking about it... I'll get back to you for sure though.
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Old 01-30-2004, 12:40 AM   #16
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I'm thinking about it... I'll get back to you for sure though.
You know, I'm even tmepted. It's just really hard to resist a bully getting his just deserts, but I'm not sure I'd like to see Bob killed or crippled...I don't see his ability to self-inflict injuries will save him.
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Old 01-30-2004, 12:41 AM   #17
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I'd ike to see holly room with Jeffery dahmer for one night. Ok thats going to far.
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Old 01-30-2004, 09:15 AM   #18
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Thurman "Sparky" Plug, Is that Holly's idea of paying your dues?

Holly is an idiot,a bully and he has less talent than my little toe would have if it were amputated after a freak car accident!
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Old 01-30-2004, 09:34 AM   #19
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Meh, I agree with all of that. There are guys in the indies that have been struggling for years that are at least on par with those currently in the WWE, but instead of giving them a shot, they're just taking random people, throwing them in some fly by night training program, and saying, "okay, you're a superstar now". I just don't feel that.

I think even as a wrestler myself, I'd rather be able to look back and know that I earned everything I got, whether the furthest I made it was a dark match or a World Title.

Just my one and a half cents though.
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I agree......But holly being a buly about it?
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Old 01-30-2004, 12:11 PM   #21
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Personally, I can't stand Holly. I think hes a prick, and the what he did to that kid on Tough Enough was over the line. He's a below average worker, and he had no place in the main event scene. Hopefully someone else will injure him soon...
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What did he do to the kid?
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I've only ever heard/seen clips, but from what I gather, it was a match, trainers vs trainees. Holly just stormed in and pounded the shit out of the kid. He had quite a few bruises afterwards.
Thing is, it was done to teach the kid a "lesson", by the looks of it, the lesson was "Bob Holly is an Asshole"
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Meh, I agree with all of that. There are guys in the indies that have been struggling for years that are at least on par with those currently in the WWE, but instead of giving them a shot, they're just taking random people, throwing them in some fly by night training program, and saying, "okay, you're a superstar now". I just don't feel that.

I think even as a wrestler myself, I'd rather be able to look back and know that I earned everything I got, whether the furthest I made it was a dark match or a World Title.

Just my one and a half cents though.
Really not just any random person. The person that wins is the winner of a competition with 100s of people in it, who they were able to prove to a group of pro wrestlers they are better than. The point obviously, is that airing a show on TV makes the WWE a lot of money. And the winner isn't guaranteed to be in the WWE, they only are awarded with a devepmental contract for one year, in which time they are given the same chance as everybody else. The fact that a guy like Maven made it to the main roster so soon just goes to show that the show is probably an effective way of picking out talented people.

At the end of the day, if the winner does not have talent, they are not gonna be on TV no matter what.
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Old 01-30-2004, 12:51 PM   #25
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Really not just any random person. The person that wins is the winner of a competition with 100s of people in it, who they were able to prove to a group of pro wrestlers they are better than. The point obviously, is that airing a show on TV makes the WWE a lot of money. And the winner isn't guaranteed to be in the WWE, they only are awarded with a devepmental contract for one year, in which time they are given the same chance as everybody else. The fact that a guy like Maven made it to the main roster so soon just goes to show that the show is probably an effective way of picking out talented people.

At the end of the day, if the winner does not have talent, they are not gonna be on TV no matter what.
The winner had damn well better have talent, though. It's not like they took a random panel of unqualified people.

As I've said before, you look at Tuff Enough and what it stands for to people...Who can blame people for wanting a shot at this? Like Sparky wouldn't have jumped at this if it had beenan option for him...Or maybe he wouldn't...I doubt he'd make the cut.

I don't watch the show, but it's an outlet to find people you might not otherwise find...And you take hundreds of those people, thin them out, and give one guy a shot at making it into the WWE. This is NOT a bad system, though I can see where wrestlers would be jealous. But you know what? If I was given a shot like this, I would NOT say "No thanks, I'd rather pay my dues for 15 years and maybe get a shot some day down the line."
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It's still a huge difference from actually "paying dues" and whatnot, which is a practice I do believe in. Working hard to get ahead, not getting handed shit. I don't buy that "Maven was just that good" excuse, because all he knew was the damned dropkick. As it is, he only knows the dropkick and the cross body.

Chris Nowinski owned him in every way imaginable, yet couldn't win the damned thing. Same for Josh Matthews.

But really, if it's just taking people that wouldn't normally get a shot in wrestling, there are like 9879079879768765765646545665567456476587576857658756858756755765869876698766678698679676786.1 other ways to do that.

For whoever said the show makes the WWE money, well, so would revenue from sales of Katie Vic replicas, but I don't see those out there.
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Old 01-31-2004, 10:35 AM   #30
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And?

This isn't a video game. There are actually almost infinte choices every single day. So What?
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And?

This isn't a video game. There are actually almost infinte choices every single day. So What?
The point is that that doesn't make Tough Enough any better than any other method they could use to generate random talent.
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The point is that that doesn't make Tough Enough any better than any other method they could use to generate random talent.
But that fact doesn't make it any worse, either.
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Old 01-31-2004, 01:41 PM   #33
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Pepsi Man, why do you belive in people having to pay dues?

If they are talented enough to be on TV, there is no reason to hold the, down. It makes no sense business wise.

Paying dues is a tradition that makes no sense at all, and is just there to make the vets feel good. When I wrestled in college, I started sophomore year, than the next year my school got an All American freshmen in my weight class, and he started over me, even though I had payed more dues than he had. And I don't disagree with it either. He was able to help the team more than I could have, and that is the point of it all, isn't it?
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Old 01-31-2004, 02:53 PM   #34
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Pepsi Man, why do you belive in people having to pay dues?

If they are talented enough to be on TV, there is no reason to hold the, down. It makes no sense business wise.

Paying dues is a tradition that makes no sense at all, and is just there to make the vets feel good. When I wrestled in college, I started sophomore year, than the next year my school got an All American freshmen in my weight class, and he started over me, even though I had payed more dues than he had. And I don't disagree with it either. He was able to help the team more than I could have, and that is the point of it all, isn't it?
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Old 01-31-2004, 03:50 PM   #35
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Pepsi Man, why do you belive in people having to pay dues?

If they are talented enough to be on TV, there is no reason to hold the, down. It makes no sense business wise.

Paying dues is a tradition that makes no sense at all, and is just there to make the vets feel good. When I wrestled in college, I started sophomore year, than the next year my school got an All American freshmen in my weight class, and he started over me, even though I had payed more dues than he had. And I don't disagree with it either. He was able to help the team more than I could have, and that is the point of it all, isn't it?
I believe in hard work. I don't believe in people being handed things. In wrestling, "paying dues" also gives time to develop. You can say what you want, but as far as I'm concerned, at least up to a point, having time to develop makes wrestlers better in the long run. Rock may have had a jump start with his dad being in the business, and a lot of second or third generation wrestlers may as well, but even then, they grew up in the business.

If you look at all great champions of the past, none of them started out as big superstars.

Bret Hart, Shawn Michaels, Undertaker, Steve Austin, Hulk Hogan, Mick Foley, Triple H, even Rock, who I mentioned, had to take it slow.

There aren't many other areas in life where I agree with people just being handed things either. In my opinion, where most people have to claw their way to the top, everyone should, and Tough Enough, to me, is like a handout.
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Old 01-31-2004, 04:39 PM   #36
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Pepsi Man, why do you belive in people having to pay dues?

If they are talented enough to be on TV, there is no reason to hold the, down. It makes no sense business wise.

Paying dues is a tradition that makes no sense at all, and is just there to make the vets feel good. When I wrestled in college, I started sophomore year, than the next year my school got an All American freshmen in my weight class, and he started over me, even though I had payed more dues than he had. And I don't disagree with it either. He was able to help the team more than I could have, and that is the point of it all, isn't it?
Imagine playing football in the NFL. You go through preseason, train all year round, played in college, played in high school, and you finally made it big. Now how pissed off would you be if someone with no football experience started over you because he won a TV show letting him play pro football?
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That’s a bit of a far off analogy to use, much as I get what you're saying about paying dues. (Because I believe in hardwork also) If you got the skills, then don't wait, put them out there. I think Head (haha) said it best, "business wise". This is a business after all and the people you mentioned, HBK, Austin, Rock, you're right about how they became stars.

However, the times of people being brought up gradually are over. There isn’t that long period anymore.

Certain people get the big break and others don't. That's just life.
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I believe in hard work. I don't believe in people being handed things. In wrestling, "paying dues" also gives time to develop. You can say what you want, but as far as I'm concerned, at least up to a point, having time to develop makes wrestlers better in the long run. Rock may have had a jump start with his dad being in the business, and a lot of second or third generation wrestlers may as well, but even then, they grew up in the business.

If you look at all great champions of the past, none of them started out as big superstars.

Bret Hart, Shawn Michaels, Undertaker, Steve Austin, Hulk Hogan, Mick Foley, Triple H, even Rock, who I mentioned, had to take it slow.

There aren't many other areas in life where I agree with people just being handed things either. In my opinion, where most people have to claw their way to the top, everyone should, and Tough Enough, to me, is like a handout.
So because it worked in the past, it shouldn't be changed?

I direct you, once more, to the effectiveness of the slave trade.
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Imagine playing football in the NFL. You go through preseason, train all year round, played in college, played in high school, and you finally made it big. Now how pissed off would you be if someone with no football experience started over you because he won a TV show letting him play pro football?
Imagine that they put their best feet forward, regardless of who had senority, instead of killing the talent if they hadn't "paid their dues..."
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So because it worked in the past, it shouldn't be changed?

I direct you, once more, to the effectiveness of the slave trade.
We're dealing with totally different animals. Working hard and paying your dues to become a pro wrestler is something people do by choice. It's not like anyone's going into people's homes, beating them down, whipping them, and telling them, "YOU WILL NOT GO HOME FOR 300 DAYS OUT OF THE YEAR. YOU WILL BE PAID JACK SHIT FOR YOUR FIRST 5 YEARS. YOU MIGHT NOT MAKE IT, BUT DAMN IT YOU DON'T HAVE A CHOICE!"

If any wrestler on the current roster considers himself to be "forced" into being a pro wrestler, he or she is in some serious need of counsel.
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