DISCUSSION - Is Randy Orton ready to be the World Champion of Raw? (other thoughts)

**Heyman** · 07-26-2004, 07:21 PM

DISCUSSION - Is Randy Orton ready to be the World Champion of Raw? (other thoughts)

Randy Orton: Should he win the title at Summerslam?

As rumor has it, the WWE might be putting title on Orton come Summerslam. A few thoughts come to my mind: Is the time right?

One can argue that the time IS right because

a) Randy Orton is very 'over' right now. When a guy has momentum going, push him! If you don't push a guy who is 'hot' at the currrent time, you may "miss the boat". A good example of this is RVD perhaps. RVD was sizzling in 2001, yet the WWE chose to hold him back.

b) Does the WWE fan base clamor for an "extraordinary" character? This is the one thing that Orton has going for him. For the longest time now, Orton has been made to look 'extraordinary'.....or "above average". Is this the one quality that could make him a potential draw for the future?

If the WWE holds off on Orton for too long, one can argue that he'd lose that 'aura' of being 'extraordinary'. In other words, people may just start perceiving him to be 'common'.....and this could potentially lead to him not being a future draw. For examples of this - take a look at Big Show and Kane.. To lesser extents, take a look at guys like Test and Val Venis.

All 4 of these guys have arguably been 'in the same spot' for far too long. Hence - they were practically killed in terms of drawing potential.

The longer someone is held down in the mid-cards, the less likely he will become a draw one day......unless the creative team comes up with a GENIUS of a gimmick upon re-packing that wrestler. Rikishi (year 2000) and Stone Cold Steve Austin are examples of this....to varying degrees obviously.
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On the other hand............Could Randy Orton become another Brock Lesnar? or Goldberg? While it's definitely one thing to hold someone down for TOO long and potentially kill them as draws (i.e. RVD, Booker T), there are also 'negative' qualties associated in pushing someone too fast.

When you have a wrestler in the company, you ideally want them around for the 'long haul'. When a wrestler wins the world title, he can hopefully appreciate what it took to 'get there'.

If a wrestler genuinely does "pay his dues", he'll be more likely to appreciate what he has. Therefore - he'll try and 'stay on top' longer and will also be more motivated to establish his legacy'

Think about guys like Austin, Benoit, Triple H, Shawn Michaels, etc. Now - think about guys like Ultimate Warrior, Goldberg, and Brock Lesnar. In the latter case, can you honestly say that any of these guys REALLY care about the business?

When you push a guy too fast, you also run the risk of giving him an ego (although you CAN say the same thing about wrestlers who pay their dues). HOWEVER - I also think that one can argue that a wrestler....who is pushed too fast..... would be more likely to TURN HIS BACK on a company if things aren't going his way......or if he loses motivation due to not having "anything left to achieve"..

So................In Conclusion, I think there are risks associated with BOTH putting the title on Orton at Summerslam or waiting until he has 'paid his dues' a bit more.

Putting the title on Orton too quick --> the next Warrior, Goldberg, Lesnar? Won't appreciate what he's getting?

Waiting on Orton --> Another RVD?...or (gulp) Test? --> Being weakened as potential future draw?

My Opinion on Randy Orton

In my opinion, I think Orton SHOULD get the title victory at Summerslam.......however - I think he should do the JOB at Wrestlemania to whomever he faces (whether it be Triple H, Edge,....Eddie Guerrero?, etc.).

This way

1) The WWE do capitalize on Orton's current hot streak and in effect, not "RVD" him.

2) The WWE don't give Orton things too soon too quickly. By making him JOB at Wrestlemania, the WWE keeps Orton motivated for the future.....as he'll still have things left to achieve.

Other random thoughts

-I think RVD will get re-packaged as a heel in the very near future. I personally wouldn't worry too much about him being on Velocity right now.

-I don't think the Heindrich gimmick will work. This has 'Nathan Jones'/disaster written all over it. The WWE are going to well one too many times with the "indestructible monster' gimmick.

-I'd like to see Luther Reins dress up in a military or 'police officer' uniform (p.s. not a kinky fetish of mine). I think this will fit his 'bodyguard' image a lot better. Basically - I wouldn't mind seeing Luther Reins be this generation's version of Bossman (corporate Bossman).

-I'd like to see Shelton Benajmin act more "Ken Shamrock" like when he comes back. No more 'gay smiles and grins'. Personally? I think Benjamin would be AWESOME in a role where he simply beats the crap out of his opponents (heel or face) with his pure wrestling ability. Like Shamrock, I wouldn't mind seeing him 'snap', etc.

-Going back to Randy Orton, mark my words. If the WWE tries to turn him face before Wrestlemania 21, he will CRASH and BURN.

-If Triple H is destined to be kicked out of Evolution, then I wish for Evolution to remain as a 3 man stable (no new members). Down the road, Triple H and HBK patch things up........and maybe even Chyna comes back? Evolution vs. DX?

-I heard about this new proposed gimmick for Nova (the Richard Simmons 'exercise' gimmick). Personally? - I don't think it's too bad of an idea. Seriously. Remember - it's all about getting guys over....or people that can potential elicit reactions. This 'exercise' gimmick should be able to achieve that. Remember - a lot of people on here were against the 'Eugene' gimmick (and we can also see how successful it has been thus far).

-Triple H/Chris Benoit tonight. I've had a 7 inch woodie all day just thinking about this. Should be a classic. I hope that there is only ONE pinfall (in the end). In other words - Benoit wins 1-0 with Eugene's help. I want this match to be reminiscent of HBK/Bret (as opposed to HHH/Rock, Angle/Lesnar).

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Heyman Father of Hinduship Posts: 21,083	DISCUSSION - Is Randy Orton ready to be the World Champion of Raw? (other thoughts) DISCUSSION - Is Randy Orton ready to be the World Champion of Raw? (other thoughts) Randy Orton: Should he win the title at Summerslam? As rumor has it, the WWE might be putting title on Orton come Summerslam. A few thoughts come to my mind: Is the time right? One can argue that the time IS right because a) Randy Orton is very 'over' right now. When a guy has momentum going, push him! If you don't push a guy who is 'hot' at the currrent time, you may "miss the boat". A good example of this is RVD perhaps. RVD was sizzling in 2001, yet the WWE chose to hold him back. b) Does the WWE fan base clamor for an "extraordinary" character? This is the one thing that Orton has going for him. For the longest time now, Orton has been made to look 'extraordinary'.....or "above average". Is this the one quality that could make him a potential draw for the future? If the WWE holds off on Orton for too long, one can argue that he'd lose that 'aura' of being 'extraordinary'. In other words, people may just start perceiving him to be 'common'.....and this could potentially lead to him not being a future draw. For examples of this - take a look at Big Show and Kane.. To lesser extents, take a look at guys like Test and Val Venis. All 4 of these guys have arguably been 'in the same spot' for far too long. Hence - they were practically killed in terms of drawing potential. The longer someone is held down in the mid-cards, the less likely he will become a draw one day......unless the creative team comes up with a GENIUS of a gimmick upon re-packing that wrestler. Rikishi (year 2000) and Stone Cold Steve Austin are examples of this....to varying degrees obviously. . . . . . On the other hand............Could Randy Orton become another Brock Lesnar? or Goldberg? While it's definitely one thing to hold someone down for TOO long and potentially kill them as draws (i.e. RVD, Booker T), there are also 'negative' qualties associated in pushing someone too fast. When you have a wrestler in the company, you ideally want them around for the 'long haul'. When a wrestler wins the world title, he can hopefully appreciate what it took to 'get there'. If a wrestler genuinely does "pay his dues", he'll be more likely to appreciate what he has. Therefore - he'll try and 'stay on top' longer and will also be more motivated to establish his legacy' Think about guys like Austin, Benoit, Triple H, Shawn Michaels, etc. Now - think about guys like Ultimate Warrior, Goldberg, and Brock Lesnar. In the latter case, can you honestly say that any of these guys REALLY care about the business? When you push a guy too fast, you also run the risk of giving him an ego (although you CAN say the same thing about wrestlers who pay their dues). HOWEVER - I also think that one can argue that a wrestler....who is pushed too fast..... would be more likely to TURN HIS BACK on a company if things aren't going his way......or if he loses motivation due to not having "anything left to achieve".. So................In Conclusion, I think there are risks associated with BOTH putting the title on Orton at Summerslam or waiting until he has 'paid his dues' a bit more. Putting the title on Orton too quick --> the next Warrior, Goldberg, Lesnar? Won't appreciate what he's getting? Waiting on Orton --> Another RVD?...or (gulp) Test? --> Being weakened as potential future draw? My Opinion on Randy Orton In my opinion, I think Orton SHOULD get the title victory at Summerslam.......however - I think he should do the JOB at Wrestlemania to whomever he faces (whether it be Triple H, Edge,....Eddie Guerrero?, etc.). This way 1) The WWE do capitalize on Orton's current hot streak and in effect, not "RVD" him. 2) The WWE don't give Orton things too soon too quickly. By making him JOB at Wrestlemania, the WWE keeps Orton motivated for the future.....as he'll still have things left to achieve. Other random thoughts -I think RVD will get re-packaged as a heel in the very near future. I personally wouldn't worry too much about him being on Velocity right now. -I don't think the Heindrich gimmick will work. This has 'Nathan Jones'/disaster written all over it. The WWE are going to well one too many times with the "indestructible monster' gimmick. -I'd like to see Luther Reins dress up in a military or 'police officer' uniform (p.s. not a kinky fetish of mine). I think this will fit his 'bodyguard' image a lot better. Basically - I wouldn't mind seeing Luther Reins be this generation's version of Bossman (corporate Bossman). -I'd like to see Shelton Benajmin act more "Ken Shamrock" like when he comes back. No more 'gay smiles and grins'. Personally? I think Benjamin would be AWESOME in a role where he simply beats the crap out of his opponents (heel or face) with his pure wrestling ability. Like Shamrock, I wouldn't mind seeing him 'snap', etc. -Going back to Randy Orton, mark my words. If the WWE tries to turn him face before Wrestlemania 21, he will CRASH and BURN. -If Triple H is destined to be kicked out of Evolution, then I wish for Evolution to remain as a 3 man stable (no new members). Down the road, Triple H and HBK patch things up........and maybe even Chyna comes back? Evolution vs. DX? -I heard about this new proposed gimmick for Nova (the Richard Simmons 'exercise' gimmick). Personally? - I don't think it's too bad of an idea. Seriously. Remember - it's all about getting guys over....or people that can potential elicit reactions. This 'exercise' gimmick should be able to achieve that. Remember - a lot of people on here were against the 'Eugene' gimmick (and we can also see how successful it has been thus far). -Triple H/Chris Benoit tonight. I've had a 7 inch woodie all day just thinking about this. Should be a classic. I hope that there is only ONE pinfall (in the end). In other words - Benoit wins 1-0 with Eugene's help. I want this match to be reminiscent of HBK/Bret (as opposed to HHH/Rock, Angle/Lesnar).