DISCUSSION - Should Triple and Randy Orton BOTH be World Champions? (other thoughts)

**Heyman** · 08-01-2004, 08:42 PM

DISCUSSION - Should Triple and Randy Orton BOTH be World Champions? (other thoughts)

Evolution on both Raw and Smackdown. Triple H = WWE Champion, Orton = World Champion

How's this idea for Evolution? Orton wins the title at Summerslam against Benoit. However - Triple H then challenges Undertaker (who defeats JBL at Summerslam) for his WWE title (he gets permission from McMahon or something). Triple H defeats Taker for the title.

-Evolution still stays in-tact. Triple H is the champ of Smackdown, while Orton is the champ of Raw. Because they are both a part of Evolution however, Evolution as a whole can appear on both shows. Triple H and Flair wrestle on Smackdown, while Orton and Batista wrestle on Raw. All 4 make TV appearances each time however.

My line of thinking:

1) Evolution's presence on Smackdown can help ratings and fan interest

2) TRiple H and Orton can both be world champions (the two biggest heels in the company). Also - with Orton and Triple H "temporarily" out of each other's way, it allows for others face on Raw to 'rise up' (as opposed to one of Triple H or Orton becoming top face and feuding with one another).

3) With a credible heel on Smackdown in Triple H, perhaps Guerrero and/or Cena can really gain more credibility as faces. Since Smackdown will be have the main-event slot for Wrestlemania this year, the face who goes over Triple H in the last match, will go over big time (like Cena for instance).

After Wrestlemania, where Triple H "drops the ball" so to speak, Evolution can break-up (since Triple H and Flair would now be a part of Smackdown). However - Orton and Triple H to get one match in after Mania (interpromotional) where Orton goes over.

The way I see it, Guerrero and Cena are the two biggest faces in the company. If they can somehow go 'over' Triple H at Wrestlemania, it will be HUGE. While a guy like Kurt Angle is also on Smackdown, I think a win over Triple H would mean more in terms of credibility. Angle, in the past, has alraedy jobbed to the likes of Lesnar, Guerrero, Big Show, Edge, etc. A win over Angle would still be big for a guy like Cena or Guerrero, but a win over Triple H would be much bigger IMO.

Another thing - For the 1st few months of Orton and Triple H both being champ, things work out great (i.e. Orton beating opponents on Raw, while Triple H beating opponents on Smackdown). Around the time of Royal Rumble however, Orton starts to get cockier. HE starts trying to call the shots at times. Leading up to Wrestlemania, there is some tension between Orton and Triple H.

After Wrestlemania - this is where the whole Orton/Triple H feud can really start. Orton defeats (Edge?) in the Raw main-event, while John Cena defeats Triple H in the Smackdown main-event. This is where Orton gets cocky and tries to kick Triple H out of Evolution. This is where the Triple H/Orton feud can start.

Other thoughts

-Is there any chance that the WWE could get Tito Ortiz to come to the WWE? He's #1 in the UFC and he made Ken Shamrock his bitch! Also - if I understand correctly, he'd make more money in the WWE. The marketing potential would also be there. Smackdown could really use a guy like that.

-I'm still not liking the Heindrich gimmick (too much proximity to Brock Lesnar in terms of a 'big man dominating'). Why can't they just use Paul Heyman to "motivate" RVD? Heel, ECW, RVD with the Pantera music would be awesome. Guerrero/RVD would be pretty cool.

-I still think if the WWE are going to go with a Triple H/Orton feud within the next few months, HHH needs to be the face.

-In my last thread, I mentioned as to how it would be interesting to see Christian help out either Jericho or Edge if they fought each other at Summerslam (and in effect, one of those guys would turn heel). This would then set-up a serious of feuds involving Benoit, Jericho, Christian, and Edge.

How would this sound instead?

At Summerslam, Jericho and Edge have a face vs. face match (stemming from the fact that Jericho turned on Edge during the Battle Royale last week). At the end of the match (which Edge unfortunately wins), the two men shake hands.

After Summerslam (once Benoit has dropped the title)..........Benoit becomes desperate to win it back......but without success. This eventually leads to major anger and frustration. Benoit turns heel....and goes back to the way he was in 2000 in terms of character.

Ultimately - this leads to Benoit feuding with Edge and Jericho. Christian also gets involved.

For a long period of time, Christian feuds again with Jericho...while Benoit feuds with Edge. After that, Christian feuds with Edge, while Benoit feuds with Jericho.......both of these matches of which, lead to Wrestlemania.

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Heyman Father of Hinduship Posts: 21,083	DISCUSSION - Should Triple and Randy Orton BOTH be World Champions? (other thoughts) DISCUSSION - Should Triple and Randy Orton BOTH be World Champions? (other thoughts) Evolution on both Raw and Smackdown. Triple H = WWE Champion, Orton = World Champion How's this idea for Evolution? Orton wins the title at Summerslam against Benoit. However - Triple H then challenges Undertaker (who defeats JBL at Summerslam) for his WWE title (he gets permission from McMahon or something). Triple H defeats Taker for the title. -Evolution still stays in-tact. Triple H is the champ of Smackdown, while Orton is the champ of Raw. Because they are both a part of Evolution however, Evolution as a whole can appear on both shows. Triple H and Flair wrestle on Smackdown, while Orton and Batista wrestle on Raw. All 4 make TV appearances each time however. My line of thinking: 1) Evolution's presence on Smackdown can help ratings and fan interest 2) TRiple H and Orton can both be world champions (the two biggest heels in the company). Also - with Orton and Triple H "temporarily" out of each other's way, it allows for others face on Raw to 'rise up' (as opposed to one of Triple H or Orton becoming top face and feuding with one another). 3) With a credible heel on Smackdown in Triple H, perhaps Guerrero and/or Cena can really gain more credibility as faces. Since Smackdown will be have the main-event slot for Wrestlemania this year, the face who goes over Triple H in the last match, will go over big time (like Cena for instance). After Wrestlemania, where Triple H "drops the ball" so to speak, Evolution can break-up (since Triple H and Flair would now be a part of Smackdown). However - Orton and Triple H to get one match in after Mania (interpromotional) where Orton goes over. The way I see it, Guerrero and Cena are the two biggest faces in the company. If they can somehow go 'over' Triple H at Wrestlemania, it will be HUGE. While a guy like Kurt Angle is also on Smackdown, I think a win over Triple H would mean more in terms of credibility. Angle, in the past, has alraedy jobbed to the likes of Lesnar, Guerrero, Big Show, Edge, etc. A win over Angle would still be big for a guy like Cena or Guerrero, but a win over Triple H would be much bigger IMO. Another thing - For the 1st few months of Orton and Triple H both being champ, things work out great (i.e. Orton beating opponents on Raw, while Triple H beating opponents on Smackdown). Around the time of Royal Rumble however, Orton starts to get cockier. HE starts trying to call the shots at times. Leading up to Wrestlemania, there is some tension between Orton and Triple H. After Wrestlemania - this is where the whole Orton/Triple H feud can really start. Orton defeats (Edge?) in the Raw main-event, while John Cena defeats Triple H in the Smackdown main-event. This is where Orton gets cocky and tries to kick Triple H out of Evolution. This is where the Triple H/Orton feud can start. Other thoughts -Is there any chance that the WWE could get Tito Ortiz to come to the WWE? He's #1 in the UFC and he made Ken Shamrock his bitch! Also - if I understand correctly, he'd make more money in the WWE. The marketing potential would also be there. Smackdown could really use a guy like that. -I'm still not liking the Heindrich gimmick (too much proximity to Brock Lesnar in terms of a 'big man dominating'). Why can't they just use Paul Heyman to "motivate" RVD? Heel, ECW, RVD with the Pantera music would be awesome. Guerrero/RVD would be pretty cool. -I still think if the WWE are going to go with a Triple H/Orton feud within the next few months, HHH needs to be the face. -In my last thread, I mentioned as to how it would be interesting to see Christian help out either Jericho or Edge if they fought each other at Summerslam (and in effect, one of those guys would turn heel). This would then set-up a serious of feuds involving Benoit, Jericho, Christian, and Edge. How would this sound instead? At Summerslam, Jericho and Edge have a face vs. face match (stemming from the fact that Jericho turned on Edge during the Battle Royale last week). At the end of the match (which Edge unfortunately wins), the two men shake hands. After Summerslam (once Benoit has dropped the title)..........Benoit becomes desperate to win it back......but without success. This eventually leads to major anger and frustration. Benoit turns heel....and goes back to the way he was in 2000 in terms of character. Ultimately - this leads to Benoit feuding with Edge and Jericho. Christian also gets involved. For a long period of time, Christian feuds again with Jericho...while Benoit feuds with Edge. After that, Christian feuds with Edge, while Benoit feuds with Jericho.......both of these matches of which, lead to Wrestlemania. Last edited by Heyman; 08-01-2004 at 09:05 PM.