One Mans Reaction to racial slur on Survivor Series

[Pete]

The thing about the word 'nigga' is that it has been popularised as a greeting by blacks themselves, to my knowledge Jews don't go around saying to each other 'whatup Kyke'. Also as the article mentions some blacks differentiate between the word 'nigga' and 'nigger'. To a certain extent I think the 'cat is out of the bag' with regard to the word being used by other ethnicities.

For my own part I don't think Vince should have said it and as I have black relatives myself I dislike hearing the word tossed around lightly because of the harm I have seem first hand that it can cause but at the same time I understand why he may have thought it was acceptable to use it. If I was the guy who wrote the article I would direct more of my ire at rappers/others who put the word into the public domain rather than Vince McMahon, especially when it was obvious he had the cooperation of two black people in the skit.

In repsonse to Funky Fly, racism is Far from confined to whites, I mean look at a movie like 'Guess Who' where the cntral joke is the black fathers racism towards the white fiance, if the roles were reversed it wouldn't be treated as a comedy and if it was there would probably be a huge uproar about it.

[What Would Kevin Do?]

Originally Posted by Pete The thing about the word 'nigga' is that it has been popularised as a greeting by blacks themselves, to my knowledge Jews don't go around saying to each other 'whatup Kyke'. Also as the article mentions some blacks differentiate between the word 'nigga' and 'nigger'. To a certain extent I think the 'cat is out of the bag' with regard to the word being used by other ethnicities. For my own part I don't think Vince should have said it and as I have black relatives myself I dislike hearing the word tossed around lightly because of the harm I have seem first hand that it can cause but at the same time I understand why he may have thought it was acceptable to use it. If I was the guy who wrote the article I would direct more of my ire at rappers/others who put the word into the public domain rather than Vince McMahon, especially when it was obvious he had the cooperation of two black people in the skit. In repsonse to Funky Fly, racism is Far from confined to whites, I mean look at a movie like 'Guess Who' where the cntral joke is the black fathers racism towards the white fiance, if the roles were reversed it wouldn't be treated as a comedy and if it was there would probably be a huge uproar about it.

Not trying to argue here, just adding a few quick points.

It's not like all black people use the word like that. IN fact, I'd be surprised if more than 50% did commonly.

I really don't think it should be used openly at all, especially by other races.

Chris Rock had a bit where he talks about the difference between black people and "niggers" It's funny, and arguablly true.

"Guess Who." Is a remake of "Guess who's coming to dinner" which was made back in the day. In the film, a white girl brought a black man home for the holidays.

So what's everyone's stance on quoting movie or song lines with the word in it? Always made me hella uncomfortable.

[Kane Knight]

Originally Posted by What Would Kevin Do? Not trying to argue here, just adding a few quick points. It's not like all black people use the word like that. IN fact, I'd be surprised if more than 50% did commonly. I really don't think it should be used openly at all, especially by other races. Chris Rock had a bit where he talks about the difference between black people and "niggers" It's funny, and arguablly true. "Guess Who." Is a remake of "Guess who's coming to dinner" which was made back in the day. In the film, a white girl brought a black man home for the holidays. So what's everyone's stance on quoting movie or song lines with the word in it? Always made me hella uncomfortable.

Keep in mind, Pete's only experiences with blacks come from an accidental rental of "White Chicks."

I don't know how many blacks use nigga as a greeting, but then, neither does the guy saying "They call themselves it." Blacks aren't one entity. And yes, some Jews use Kike. deal with it.

Chris rock's mother said essentially that his "Niggers vs Black people" routine aptly fit his neighborhood. It's arguably true, but not every perspective matches his.

Me? I'll say nigger quoting a song or a movie with no problem. I'll make satirical comments about niggers. I have no problem with the word anymore. I used to be horribly uncomfortable, but that level of discomfort is pointless.

Now common sense, on the other hand...

[Funky Fly]

Originally Posted by Pete In repsonse to Funky Fly, racism is Far from confined to whites, I mean look at a movie like 'Guess Who' where the cntral joke is the black fathers racism towards the white fiance, if the roles were reversed it wouldn't be treated as a comedy and if it was there would probably be a huge uproar about it.

First of all, I already said that non-white racists exist too. See the first line of my last post.

Second, "Guess Who" is a remake of "Guess Who's Coming To Dinner" (which by the way, was released in 1967, when it was somewhat more relevant) with the roles reversed.

[Pete]

Originally Posted by Funky Fly First of all, I already said that non-white racists exist too. See the first line of my last post. Second, "Guess Who" is a remake of "Guess Who's Coming To Dinner" (which by the way, was released in 1967, when it was somewhat more relevant) with the roles reversed.

Yes I am aware of it being a remake, I would argue that is less relevant today though acceptably exoressed attitudes towards minorities by whites was very different then (note ACCEPTABLY, I'm not saying racism doesn't exist just that to exporess it publicly is far less acceptable) whereas minority to white racism is still funny, its still making a joke out of racism whihc doesn;t really strike me as progress

[Funky Fly]

Originally Posted by Pete Yes I am aware of it being a remake, I would argue that is less relevant today though acceptably exoressed attitudes towards minorities by whites was very different then (note ACCEPTABLY, I'm not saying racism doesn't exist just that to exporess it publicly is far less acceptable) whereas minority to white racism is still funny, its still making a joke out of racism whihc doesn;t really strike me as progress

We should be able to laugh at each other with no harm and no foul on either side, but the problem with white to not white race jokes is that there are so many historically racist undertones perceived, even when the joker doesn't intend for them to be there. You're basically walking on eggshells if you tell jokes like that and you're white. And the funny thing is, a white person can tell a black joke to a black person he knows very well and not worry about repercussion because the black person understands that despite the joke being deprecating to him, he knows the white person is not a racist and therefore does not actually believe the content of the joke to be acceptable in a non-joking situation. But if that same white person tells that same joke to a black person he's only just met, the black may be offended because he doesn't know if that white person truly believes in the content of the joke.

[Pete]

Originally Posted by Funky Fly We should be able to laugh at each other with no harm and no foul on either side, but the problem with white to not white race jokes is that there are so many historically racist undertones perceived, even when the joker doesn't intend for them to be there. You're basically walking on eggshells if you tell jokes like that and you're white. And the funny thing is, a white person can tell a black joke to a black person he knows very well and not worry about repercussion because the black person understands that despite the joke being deprecating to him, he knows the white person is not a racist and therefore does not actually believe the content of the joke to be acceptable in a non-joking situation. But if that same white person tells that same joke to a black person he's only just met, the black may be offended because he doesn't know if that white person truly believes in the content of the joke.

I agree 100% with that, I think what bothers me is the fact that is is more acceptable for non whites to tell white jokes on screen or in mass circulated media because I don't know what their intentions are becasue I don't know them and that its somehow unacceptable for me to feel uncomfortable because of it