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Old 12-01-2005, 04:01 PM   #1
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Sturm is quite good and Stuart is a strong defensemen, in this day and age where you get guys like Fedorov for Tyler Wright that's a pretty decent return.

This is nowhere near the worst trade ever too. Jesus christ calm down. Stuart brings a whole lot, and Sturm is pretty damn good. What do you want in return Patrick Marleau as well???

They didnt even get a prospect or draft pick..Sturm has had a 48 point season...Joe 100..you're taking away all the offensive production, and replacing it with two forwards that combined will not equal what he gets. Also consider the fact Joe sets up more goals for other players..he creates room for other players. You never lose a franchise player, and dont get something big back in return. They didnt even get a guy with the possibility of becoming elite. Sure, the Pens did the same with Jagr, but they couldnt at all afford him in those times, they had no choice.
On a financial scale, this deal doesnt even make sense..they save only about 1.8 million.

They got hosed.
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Old 12-01-2005, 04:11 PM   #2
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They didnt even get a prospect or draft pick..Sturm has had a 48 point season...Joe 100..you're taking away all the offensive production, and replacing it with two forwards that combined will not equal what he gets. Also consider the fact Joe sets up more goals for other players..he creates room for other players. You never lose a franchise player, and dont get something big back in return. They didnt even get a guy with the possibility of becoming elite. Sure, the Pens did the same with Jagr, but they couldnt at all afford him in those times, they had no choice.
On a financial scale, this deal doesnt even make sense..they save only about 1.8 million.

They got hosed.

Again horeshit, did they get equal value, no, but considering what other teams have been getting for their stars lately this is pretty damn decent. Hardly Boston getting hosed.
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Old 12-01-2005, 04:58 PM   #3
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Again horeshit, did they get equal value, no, but considering what other teams have been getting for their stars lately this is pretty damn decent. Hardly Boston getting hosed.

That was in the past, different cba and all. Stop looking back at that. Just recently, Heatley was traded, but they still got Hossa. That isnt bad, this is an elite player being traded for two guys who cant do what he could, and a defenseman, which is almost redundant considering they recently acquired Tanabe as well.

The thing is, they didnt even wait and negotiate with other teams. They could have done so much better for Joe. They talked exclusively with the Sharks. That is a fuck up, big time, by management.
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Old 12-02-2005, 12:43 AM   #4
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That was in the past, different cba and all. Stop looking back at that. Just recently, Heatley was traded, but they still got Hossa. That isnt bad, this is an elite player being traded for two guys who cant do what he could, and a defenseman, which is almost redundant considering they recently acquired Tanabe as well.

The thing is, they didnt even wait and negotiate with other teams. They could have done so much better for Joe. They talked exclusively with the Sharks. That is a fuck up, big time, by management.
Yeah and this year alone, Roenick due to cap restrictions was gotten for nothing and Fedorov was acquired for Tyler Wright what's your point.
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Yeah and this year alone, Roenick due to cap restrictions was gotten for nothing and Fedorov was acquired for Tyler Wright what's your point.

I wouldnt call any of those guys at this point in their careers franchise players or elite at all.
Trade away elite talent, you best at the least get something back with the potential to provide the same intnagibles and production.
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I wouldnt call any of those guys at this point in their careers franchise players or elite at all.
Trade away elite talent, you best at the least get something back with the potential to provide the same intnagibles and production.
Fedorov has lost a step yes, but Roenick is still pretty strong a player.


The heatley/Hossa trade was an exception to the rule, you rarely see equal value shipped back for "elite" players, which I'm not convinced Thornton even is at this point, he isn't even a point per game player, he's close but still. His playoff stats are even worse. He's a top player no doubt but not one of the maybe half dozen players I'd consider elite right now.
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