this years wrestlemania is MAKE IT OR BREAK IT for the WWE

[Xero]

Originally Posted by Vermaat A face is a face for a reason, you are meant to cheer him.

That, my friend, has many exceptions.

Look at Stone Cold Steve Austin (most famous example). Originally a heel. The WWE tried their damnedest to get him over as a heel, but the fans wouldn't boo him. He became the biggest face in the last 20 years.

On the flip side, look at Rock. The WWE tried (not as hard as Austin, though) to keep him face, but the fans turned on him. He became one of the biggest heels in the last 20 years.

So, while faces are made to be cheered, when a good portion of the fanbase is turned off by them, and boo them, they have to turn heel. It's just natural.

The problem here, though, is the WWE doesn't WANT to turn Cena because he has a grip on the most prized demographic, the younger ones. Not prized because they go to the shows or even watch the TV shows all the time, but prized because kids always WANT WANT WANT and more often than not parents GET GET GET/BUY BUY BUY.

Originally Posted by Xero Limit 126 That, my friend, has many exceptions. Look at Stone Cold Steve Austin (most famous example). Originally a heel. The WWE tried their damnedest to get him over as a heel, but the fans wouldn't boo him. He became the biggest face in the last 20 years. On the flip side, look at Rock. The WWE tried (not as hard as Austin, though) to keep him face, but the fans turned on him. He became one of the biggest heels in the last 20 years. So, while faces are made to be cheered, when a good portion of the fanbase is turned off by them, and boo them, they have to turn heel. It's just natural. The problem here, though, is the WWE doesn't WANT to turn Cena because he has a grip on the most prized demographic, the younger ones. Not prized because they go to the shows or even watch the TV shows all the time, but prized because kids always WANT WANT WANT and more often than not parents GET GET GET/BUY BUY BUY.

Those are unique cases, and let's face it, crowds were all about rebellion then so that played a role. But when you look back both Austin and Rock turned out to be great at both roles. Austin got most fame as a face but he was a great heel during invasion. WHAT?! lol !!!

Rock of course turned to be one of the greatest faces ever. It is just that these "rebbelious" fans don't give these characters a chance at their roles. If they gave them a chance, they could show what they can, and they did later. I can already see Cena as a great face and so can a lot of other fans, but like I said, these fans and the facts that the heels he has been facing haven't been doing their right role all come together to screw him out of a chance to shine. WWE shouldn't cave in to the fans because often they don't know what is good for the business.

I think to boo a face is disrespectful give them a chance because you never know (look at rock and austin)
As I said, the demographic has been EXPANDED by Cena not changed.

Yeah, it is. And the way they're running it, especially in this slump, is wrong.

SLUMP? Yeah a slump is when your company is the best in the business as the ONLY company on primetime in the U.S and that put out it's competition OUT OF BUSINESS. Sounds like a slump to me. WWE is making a lot of money, not a slump in any WAY, SHAPE or FORM.

As far as his matches, yeah they are similar, but that works. That's the traditional face. That's what Hogan did. That's what Rock did. That's what Austin did. Just because it's tradition, doesn't mean it doesn't work, it does work and I enjoy his matches because they allow you to wait for that big move and comeback. It works good for a face character.

[Kalyx triaD]

Originally Posted by Vermaat SLUMP? Yeah a slump is when your company is the best in the business as the ONLY company on primetime in the U.S and that put out it's competition OUT OF BUSINESS. Sounds like a slump to me. WWE is making a lot of money, not a slump in any WAY, SHAPE or FORM.

*Dives for cover*

[Kane Knight]

Originally Posted by Vermaat SLUMP? Yeah a slump is when your company is the best in the business as the ONLY company on primetime in the U.S and that put out it's competition OUT OF BUSINESS. Sounds like a slump to me. WWE is making a lot of money, not a slump in any WAY, SHAPE or FORM.

Shadow's right, you've got balls the size of asteroids to so bravely disgregard reality when you speak.

Fact is, when you're doing ratings that are half as good as they once were, when you're firing wrestlers and touring smaller venues to avoid taking a loss, and all this with no televised competition, you're in a slump. WWE was doing this before TNA had a TV deal, and they haven't managed to improve now that they're not the only game in town. They've managed to lose their slot on Spike TV and their Thursday night slot for Smackdown. But I guess that's because a few bad apples made the networks buckle to peer pressure.

Meanwhile, you can argue what you want about rumours, but the interesting thing is we've gotten the moveset bit straight from the wrestlers on several occasions, so it's not really a rumour at that point.

Again, you do a good job at not letting reality get in the way. I wish I was cool enough to state fiction like fact and then declare myself the "winner." Me, my self esteem's so low I have to rely on reality.

Why can't I be as cool as you?
In my own mind, anyway

[KillerWolf]

Originally Posted by Vermaat SLUMP? Yeah a slump is when your company is the best in the business as the ONLY company on primetime in the U.S and that put out it's competition OUT OF BUSINESS. Sounds like a slump to me. WWE is making a lot of money, not a slump in any WAY, SHAPE or FORM. As far as his matches, yeah they are similar, but that works. That's the traditional face. That's what Hogan did. That's what Rock did. That's what Austin did. Just because it's tradition, doesn't mean it doesn't work, it does work and I enjoy his matches because they allow you to wait for that big move and comeback. It works good for a face character.

God, I hate you so much, Varmint.

[Xero]

Originally Posted by Vermaat Those are unique cases, and let's face it, crowds were all about rebellion then so that played a role. But when you look back both Austin and Rock turned out to be great at both roles. Austin got most fame as a face but he was a great heel during invasion. WHAT?! lol !!! Rock of course turned to be one of the greatest faces ever. It is just that these "rebbelious" fans don't give these characters a chance at their roles. If they gave them a chance, they could show what they can, and they did later. I can already see Cena as a great face and so can a lot of other fans, but like I said, these fans and the facts that the heels he has been facing haven't been doing their right role all come together to screw him out of a chance to shine. WWE shouldn't cave in to the fans because often they don't know what is good for the business. I think to boo a face is disrespectful give them a chance because you never know (look at rock and austin) As I said, the demographic has been EXPANDED by Cena not changed.

Do you even know what I was referencing when I was talking about Rock? I was talking about his ORIGINAL heel turn from just after he left the Rocky Maivia gimmick and joined the Nation. He had to BECAUSE the fans BOOED him.

If they turned Cena RIGHT NOW, he could be a great heel. If they keep him as a face, in the current gimmick, after (not if) he loses to Hunter at Mania, he's going to fade into the background for a long, long while.

Originally Posted by Xero Limit 126 Do you even know what I was referencing when I was talking about Rock? I was talking about his ORIGINAL heel turn from just after he left the Rocky Maivia gimmick and joined the Nation. He had to BECAUSE the fans BOOED him. If they turned Cena RIGHT NOW, he could be a great heel. If they keep him as a face, in the current gimmick, after (not if) he loses to Hunter at Mania, he's going to fade into the background for a long, long while.

I know what you are talking about. My point is still there.

Hmm, let's see, WWE had Cena lose to Edge and he stayed Face. Did he fade into the background? No WWE realized that they had to give him the title back. The "cool" fans stopped booing him because they were bored and he lost the title and the real reaction was heard. WWE can turn him heel and it will work because he is a great heel, but WWE needs faces more.