DISCUSSION - My proposed TEAM CANADA idea (Jericho/Benoit/Edge/Bret Hart, etc.

[Rob]

Classic example too of 'Anyone can book one good show' and someone knowing nothing about what's going on. NOBODY, not one single soul, would boo Bret Hart or anything like looked like a new Hart Foundation. 5 minute standing ovation? You clearly have no idea how over Bret Hart was in Canada. Him coming back would make the Hogan standing o's look like a Chris Benoit pop now.

[Heyman]

Originally Posted by Rob Classic example too of 'Anyone can book one good show' and someone knowing nothing about what's going on. NOBODY, not one single soul, would boo Bret Hart or anything like looked like a new Hart Foundation. 5 minute standing ovation? You clearly have no idea how over Bret Hart was in Canada. Him coming back would make the Hogan standing o's look like a Chris Benoit pop now.

I didn't say anyone would openly 'boo' Bret (atleast that's not what I meant). What I meant to say, was that perhaps some people would be surprised (or may 'boo' a little bit) if they saw HBK being beaten to shit by 5 or 6 men. Granted - it WOULD be Team Canada (and so most people would be cheering loudly anyways), but you may always get a few marky marks who would recognize that Team Canada would be engaging in a heelish act.

As far as Bret's face pop is concerned, it would definitely out pop Hogan's Montreal ovation. I didn't want to overexaagerate (which is why I only said 5 minute standing ovation). Perhaps it would be 10 or 15 minutes....I don't know.

[blake639raw]

Originally Posted by Heyman I didn't say anyone would openly 'boo' Bret (atleast that's not what I meant). What I meant to say, was that perhaps some people would be surprised (or may 'boo' a little bit) if they saw HBK being beaten to shit by 5 or 6 men. Granted - it WOULD be Team Canada (and so most people would be cheering loudly anyways), but you may always get a few marky marks who would recognize that Team Canada would be engaging in a heelish act.

I doubt it. HBK is so hated in Canada, and Bret is so loved, Bret could pull out an uzi and spray HBK down and still get a standing o.

[Heyman]

Originally Posted by blake639raw I doubt it. HBK is so hated in Canada, and Bret is so loved, Bret could pull out an uzi and spray HBK down and still get a standing o.

I'm not neccessarily disagreeing with that. Still - there may be a few people.

As far as Bret being heel is concerned, I think it should clearly be a Canada/USA thing like in 97'. Maybe even have Team Canada be faces in Canada, and the opposing forces (i.e. RVD, Booker T, Triple H, Shawn Michaels, etc.) be heels in Canada.

[The CyNick]

I like the idea of Bret doing a Team Canada angle in principle, but in reality (which is what we have to deal with) that would never happen, nor should it.

Rob already covered why it wouldn't happen with Bret. Its insane to compare lawsuits between millionaires to someone getting humiliated on live TV and then having his brother killed on another live PPV due to negligence by the company.

Heyman, you said that Owen wasn't forced to do the stunt, well in a lot of ways he was. Originally he was being booked in an angle with Debra and Jarrett where they wanted to make it look like Owen was having an affair with Debra. Owen didn't want to do that. He nixed another angle they wanted to do with him, but I forget the details. Then they came to him with the Blazer idea, which he felt he had to do because he could only say 'no' to Vince so many time before being in jeapordy of losing his job. At the time he was building a house for his family and couldn't afford to be fired (there was no guarantee that WCW would have taken him at the time).

If you do Canada vs USA that means Team Canada have to play heels. Even if Bret agreed to work that angle (which he wouldn't becaus ehe doesn't want to be a heel and he just doesn't want to be part of any angles) it wouldn't work, just like Flair doesn't draw as a heel. Poeple want to cheer him, and when they are told to boo him, they turn away. I think the same would happen with Bret, even to a larger degree just base don what has happened to Bret over the last 5 years.

It would also screw up the push of guys like Orton, because he would be forced into a sudden babyafce turn that he is nowhere near ready for. And there are too many issues between CDN talents or US talents that would have to be dropped for no good reason.

I think its a decent idea to put all the CDN guys on one show because that way you can run Canada with the RAW crew almost exclusively. I think thats a decent idea because it would create some sense of 'home markets' for each brand. So RAW would be dominant in Canada because of the CDN talents on RAW, but on the other hand Smackdown would dominate the Mexican boarder towns because of Eddie/Rey and Chavo.

So, you dont have to bunch them all up in a faction, you just have them on the same side, and have them be faces and heels just like the American guys. I think that is far more effective for the long run.

[The CyNick]

Originally Posted by Heyman I didn't say anyone would openly 'boo' Bret (atleast that's not what I meant). What I meant to say, was that perhaps some people would be surprised (or may 'boo' a little bit) if they saw HBK being beaten to shit by 5 or 6 men. Granted - it WOULD be Team Canada (and so most people would be cheering loudly anyways), but you may always get a few marky marks who would recognize that Team Canada would be engaging in a heelish act. As far as Bret's face pop is concerned, it would definitely out pop Hogan's Montreal ovation. I didn't want to overexaagerate (which is why I only said 5 minute standing ovation). Perhaps it would be 10 or 15 minutes....I don't know.

Dude, I dont know where you live, but I live in Canada, and I would stake my life on the fact that not one person would be booing any type of beating on HBK by any form of Team Canada. If anything they would have to gold people back from trying to join in on the attack. There might be gome girls (or gay dudes) who wouldn't want to see HBK catch a beating, but they would be too fearful for their lives to make any comment against Team Canada.

I know this sounds like I'm trying to be funny and I'm over-stating the case, but anyone who has ever been to events in Canada or lives here, knows how much people love ret and how much HBK is hated for what he did to Bret. Dont get me wrong, HBK has fans up here, but if he's up against Bret or like I said any form of Team Canada people here will be screaming for HBK to get skinned alive.

Originally Posted by The CyNick Dude, I dont know where you live, but I live in Canada, and I would stake my life on the fact that not one person would be booing any type of beating on HBK by any form of Team Canada. If anything they would have to gold people back from trying to join in on the attack. There might be gome girls (or gay dudes) who wouldn't want to see HBK catch a beating, but they would be too fearful for their lives to make any comment against Team Canada. I know this sounds like I'm trying to be funny and I'm over-stating the case, but anyone who has ever been to events in Canada or lives here, knows how much people love ret and how much HBK is hated for what he did to Bret. Dont get me wrong, HBK has fans up here, but if he's up against Bret or like I said any form of Team Canada people here will be screaming for HBK to get skinned alive.

Yeah, that's the only thing I really want to see. A bunch of Canandian Wrestlers beating the sh** out of Shawn Michaels would make my day.

[Rob]

Originally Posted by Loose Cannon Yeah, that's the only thing I really want to see. A bunch of Canandian Wrestlers beating the sh** out of Shawn Michaels would make my day.

Well it only took one guy in Syracuse and Bret did it already in Hartford in June '97.