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Old 03-01-2004, 03:38 PM   #1
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Heyman: Yeah, but D-X was a whole different kind of stable from Evolution. D-X got over because it was full of raunchy badass types that fit in perfectly with the Attitude era. Plus, they were faces for a lot of the time. Evolution's just another take on the Four Horsemen formula, in that they're made of a rich elitist champ and his cronies, which works when someone like Flair is in charge. Problem is, they don't identify at all with the audience, so if one of the henchmen steps up and becomes the leader, it doesn't work at all.

How long do you think the Horsemen would have stayed on top with Tully Blanchard as the leader? That's more or less the exact same thing as putting Orton in charge of Evolution (except that Blanchard was somewhat over)
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Old 03-01-2004, 04:18 PM   #2
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Heyman:How long do you think the Horsemen would have stayed on top with Tully Blanchard as the leader? That's more or less the exact same thing as putting Orton in charge of Evolution (except that Blanchard was somewhat over)
Yeah, but when Orton takes over Evolution, HHH and Flair will get kicked out of the group and turned on by Orton and Dave. So Orton would take over the New Evolution with say Batista, Cade, Jindrack and Maven. This would put the spotlight on Orton, ala Rock 98, and he wouldn't play second fiddle to anybody. It would be a totally different group from the Evolution right now. It would just be a group of young arrogant punks whi disrespect tradition and what not.
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Old 03-01-2004, 05:05 PM   #3
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Yeah, but when Orton takes over Evolution, HHH and Flair will get kicked out of the group and turned on by Orton and Dave. So Orton would take over the New Evolution with say Batista, Cade, Jindrack and Maven. This would put the spotlight on Orton, ala Rock 98, and he wouldn't play second fiddle to anybody. It would be a totally different group from the Evolution right now. It would just be a group of young arrogant punks whi disrespect tradition and what not.
Yeah but Jindrak and Batista have the personality of cardboard and Cade ain't much better.
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Old 03-01-2004, 05:22 PM   #4
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Yeah but Jindrak and Batista have the personality of cardboard and Cade ain't much better.
I think Jindtrak has some personality, its just that his personality would make him look like a John Cena rip off. Its up to the comapny to give them a chance to speak on TV and develop some type of personality.

Maven is the other guy who could be added to the group, and at leats he has some personality.
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Old 03-01-2004, 05:23 PM   #5
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Yeah but Jindrak and Batista have the personality of cardboard and Cade ain't much better.
Yeah, but as long as Orton has the mic and acts like a complete arrogant jackass, I don't really care about them. But I think if Cade and Jindrack were pushed like the Heel Outlaws in late 97-early 98, I think they could get over. I think Cade can work the mic as a heel if he just got enough practice. Maven too. Batista, well, just make him powerbomb everybody.
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Old 03-01-2004, 07:01 PM   #6
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Yeah, but as long as Orton has the mic and acts like a complete arrogant jackass, I don't really care about them. But I think if Cade and Jindrack were pushed like the Heel Outlaws in late 97-early 98, I think they could get over. I think Cade can work the mic as a heel if he just got enough practice. Maven too. Batista, well, just make him powerbomb everybody.
I wouldn't have 5 guys in Evolution.........just 4. I agree with everything else you say though. I'd keep Cade on Raw (make him split up from Jindrak). I think Cade, with his mic skills, could get over as a face.

Put Orton, Batista, Maven, and Jindrak on Smackdown.
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Old 03-01-2004, 07:12 PM   #7
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But its not that Vince wouldn't agree, its Bret. Bret doesn't want to work for Vince in the sense of doing angle because he's afraid the real situations that occured between them will look like an angle created by the WWE. I mean even the whol WCW thing, if you listen to WWE's version of history you would think Vince sent Hall and Nash over to WCW to kill it off. if Bret does an angle, say with HBK, it makes all the Montreal stuff, and everything after that look like work. Which would trivialize the whole thing.

I mean look how long its taken for Bret to even agree ot show up for a farewell speech. If that doesn't tell you that Bret doesn't want to do any business (angles in otherwords) with the WWE then there is no reaching you.
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Old 03-01-2004, 07:25 PM   #8
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But its not that Vince wouldn't agree, its Bret. Bret doesn't want to work for Vince in the sense of doing angle because he's afraid the real situations that occured between them will look like an angle created by the WWE. I mean even the whol WCW thing, if you listen to WWE's version of history you would think Vince sent Hall and Nash over to WCW to kill it off. if Bret does an angle, say with HBK, it makes all the Montreal stuff, and everything after that look like work. Which would trivialize the whole thing.
I think even the markiest of the marks know that the Bret/Vince stuff was 'real'. I don't think it would be trivialized that much (if at all). I mean - everyone knows that Vince "fired" Austin a few years ago when he decided to walk out right? Now - if Austin stunned Vince and Vince were to threaten to 'fire' Austin, people would recognize the difference between the 'work' and 'shoot' (if this makes sense). Same with the Bret Hart situation.

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I mean look how long its taken for Bret to even agree ot show up for a farewell speech. If that doesn't tell you that Bret doesn't want to do any business (angles in otherwords) with the WWE then there is no reaching you.
Bret has hated Vince for so many years now (and vice versa). Of course Bret wouldn't agree to do a farewell speech if he hates the owner of the company. Only recently, have Vince and Bret actually decided to put aside difference and possibly mend the fence. Bret's opinion towards Vince and the WWE seems to be changing. Bret's opinion about holding a deep grudge against Vince seems to be changing. If this is the case, why rule out the possibility of Bret doing a future angle for the company? It may not happen as soon as I would like, but maybe down the road.

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Old 03-01-2004, 06:34 PM   #9
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Heyman: Yeah, but D-X was a whole different kind of stable from Evolution. D-X got over because it was full of raunchy badass types that fit in perfectly with the Attitude era. Plus, they were faces for a lot of the time. Evolution's just another take on the Four Horsemen formula, in that they're made of a rich elitist champ and his cronies, which works when someone like Flair is in charge. Problem is, they don't identify at all with the audience, so if one of the henchmen steps up and becomes the leader, it doesn't work at all.
Maybe you have a point. You have to admit though - Orton does garner pretty decent heel heat. I'm pretty sure that he could take over as leader and continue his momentum.....especially if John Cena becomes his #1 rival on Smackdown.
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