Thinking about Nirvana

[Zen v.W.o.]

btw KK, nice to see you dismiss everything someone says by calling them fanboys. It's an easy copout, and a rather sly way of making your case look stronger, when in reality it's tiresome and pretty much makes those debating with you want to completely cease from doing so, since it's rather pointless to go on...Your views are not alterable, nor can you see anything from another mindset.

I could label koos a PJ fanboy and rip on everything about them, and he could come back at me with something worthwhile....yet the term fanboy totally KO's the argument!!

BTW I love PJ, so no worries, they wont be shredded.

Yeah Nirvana borrowed some influence from the Pixies..big deal. That's the way the industry works. Yet Nirvana added something those other bands didnt..melody on top of distortion, which was not perfected by other bands until Nirvana. Say what you will, but that was a rather enjoyable dichotomy.
So borrowing from The Melvins, Pixies, etc is pretty much factual, yet does nothing at all to take away from what Nirvana did. They didnt leech, they never ripped off a sound and completely claimed it as something they came up with, if anything it was certain people in the media who dumped that upon them, and they managed to come up with a sound that clicked with millions of people, in a rather profound way. Impact. Something totally undeniable. And for once a band that made it big was where they were because they deserved to be there.

btw, Vedder loves Cobain and would spit on you koos for such asinine opinions. lolz.

[KingofOldSchool]

Originally Posted by Zen v.W.o. I could label koos a PJ fanboy and rip on everything about them, and he could come back at me with something worthwhile....yet the term fanboy totally KO's the argument!!

1. Where did I bring Pearl Jam into this??? Please point me to a part of any of my posts in this topic where I mention them.

2. Yes, Pearl Jam is my favorite band, but I don't proclaim them to be the greatest band of all time. Hell they aren't even in my Top 10.

btw, Vedder loves Cobain and would spit on you koos for such asinine opinions. lolz.

I could care less. I don't follow every single littles gospel like supposed "fanboys" do. If he appreciated Cobain, that's his perogative.

[Kane Knight]

Originally Posted by KingofOldSchool 1. Where did I bring Pearl Jam into this??? Please point me to a part of any of my posts in this topic where I mention them. 2. Yes, Pearl Jam is my favorite band, but I don't proclaim them to be the greatest band of all time. Hell they aren't even in my Top 10. I could care less. I don't follow every single littles gospel like supposed "fanboys" do. If he appreciated Cobain, that's his perogative.

You should go around proclaiming that every band draws influence from Pearl Jam. Because dammit, just because Zen looks foolish for comparing your love of a band with his obssessive insistence that they are undeniably influential in every possible genre doesn't mean we can't make it fit.

I mean sure, you aren't professing the brilliance of Vedder.

You're not pretending they're a legendary über influence.

And, you're not saying Pearl Jam is revered by the new generation...

...Otherwise, Zen's completely on the ball. Calling you a fanboy would be EXACTLY the same. Because you're unreasonably making broad assertions that cannot be true...

...Wait, you're not. Shit, this is nothing alike.

[Zen v.W.o.]

KK, look at me, I'm not even listening to a word you're saying.

Just accept Nirvana's greatness and undeniable influence and impact upon the music industry, and try to move on.

[Kane Knight]

Originally Posted by Zen v.W.o. KK, look at me, I'm not even listening to a word you're saying. Just accept Nirvana's greatness and undeniable influence and impact upon the music industry, and try to move on.

And you wonder why you're called a fanboy when KoOS is not.

Originally Posted by Zen v.W.o. See that last part? Yeah he gained a wider audience after he died. That's fucking par for the course. How that affects what he did musically though is beyond me. He just got more of those intrigued by death types. Big deal.

Except, you know, it's contrary to what you said. That's a big deal. But again, nice dodge.

When Lennon got shot, he got some bandwagon fans jump on his caboose too. When presly wound up dead, same deal. When Dean died he became this fucking icon. Monroe died and she became a legend for whatever reason, despite a serious lack of talent. Cobain wasnt on the Monroe side of things, he died a talented individual and artist.

Veeeeery goooood.

You say he's overrated. I say that one who acquires more fans and fame due to death doesnt become overrated unless whatever he did in life was not so significant. To try and doubt his significance during his lifetime is to underrate him, and greatly.

That's bullshit. You're trying to equate accomplishment with popularity, the two of which are not the same or even related.

Their rep is for brilliance and originality, both are undeserved no matter how popular they are. Just because more and more fans scream it after he blew his brains out doesn't make it true. His work and Nirvana's in general is uninspired and unoriginal. That cannot change because people like them. Therefore, their rep is undeserved and they are overrated. Overrated simply means they do not live up to that reputation in reality, not that they are completely insignificant. Again, the overreaction is why you get called a fanboy, not the fact that you like them.

[Zen v.W.o.]

KK, my problem is that you severely underrate what they did do. In fact, you blatantly try to erase most of it, which I find a bit baffling.

Of course I'm a fan, I love their music man. I can tell you they arent the most influential band ever or the best band ever technically speaking, but they simply are one of the most influential bands of all time and they quite obviously did do alot to change and alter the way music was working for the time. And to this day, the results of what they did do back then are still seen.

That is all.

[Kane Knight]

Originally Posted by Zen v.W.o. KK, my problem is that you severely underrate what they did do. In fact, you blatantly try to erase most of it, which I find a bit baffling.

I don't underrate them; you have blindly fellated them. Sorry. anything's going to seem underrated compared to the blind worship you have levied.

[Kane Knight]

Originally Posted by Zen v.W.o. btw KK, nice to see you dismiss everything someone says by calling them fanboys.

Not everybody, but nice to see you're such a drama queen.

It's an easy copout, and a rather sly way of making your case look stronger, when in reality it's tiresome and pretty much makes those debating with you want to completely cease from doing so, since it's rather pointless to go on...Your views are not alterable, nor can you see anything from another mindset.

That's bullshit, but it's an easy copout for someone who has done nothing but offered empty platitudes.

I could label koos a PJ fanboy and rip on everything about them, and he could come back at me with something worthwhile....yet the term fanboy totally KO's the argument!!

Too bad that wasn't the sum total of my argument, or you might have something other than a bitter little bitchfest.

Yeah Nirvana borrowed some influence from the Pixies..big deal. That's the way the industry works. Yet Nirvana added something those other bands didnt..melody on top of distortion, which was not perfected by other bands until Nirvana. Say what you will, but that was a rather enjoyable dichotomy.

Borrowing? Yeah. Ripped off. Again, still dodging what I said.

So borrowing from The Melvins, Pixies, etc is pretty much factual, yet does nothing at all to take away from what Nirvana did.

Plagiarise?

They didnt leech, they never ripped off a sound and completely claimed it as something they came up with, if anything it was certain people in the media who dumped that upon them, and they managed to come up with a sound that clicked with millions of people, in a rather profound way. Impact. Something totally undeniable. And for once a band that made it big was where they were because they deserved to be there.

No, just because some whiny fuck blew his head off.

Most retarded post of all time and ever. So he wasnt a household name before that right? Christ you simple minded douche. Lennon wasnt household until he got shot!!!!!!! about equals what you just said.

Cobain was a household name in the same way many flavors of the months are before they wash out.

Lennon had been a household name for a significantly longer period of time, wethering even Yoko Ono. Yes, it's the exact same thing, provided Linkin Park is also on this list.

The music and what he created and shit was quality and well worth the praise it got before he died and continued to get after. Nothing changed.

Wow. Total ignorance. To pretend that he did not gain a following simply for dying is to totally ignore REALITY.

[Zen v.W.o.]

[QUOTE=Kane Knight]Not everybody, but nice to see you're such a drama queen.



That's bullshit, but it's an easy copout for someone who has done nothing but offered empty platitudes.



Too bad that wasn't the sum total of my argument, or you might have something other than a bitter little bitchfest.



Borrowing? Yeah. Ripped off. Again, still dodging what I said.



Plagiarise?



No, just because some whiny fuck blew his head off.




Cobain was a household name in the same way many flavors of the months are before they wash out.

Lennon had been a household name for a significantly longer period of time, wethering even Yoko Ono. Yes, it's the exact same thing, provided Linkin Park is also on this list.



Wow. Total ignorance. To pretend that he did not gain a following simply for dying is to totally ignore REALITY.[/QUOTE]

See that last part? Yeah he gained a wider audience after he died. That's fucking par for the course. How that affects what he did musically though is beyond me. He just got more of those intrigued by death types. Big deal.
When Lennon got shot, he got some bandwagon fans jump on his caboose too. When presly wound up dead, same deal. When Dean died he became this fucking icon. Monroe died and she became a legend for whatever reason, despite a serious lack of talent. Cobain wasnt on the Monroe side of things, he died a talented individual and artist.
You say he's overrated. I say that one who acquires more fans and fame due to death doesnt become overrated unless whatever he did in life was not so significant. To try and doubt his significance during his lifetime is to underrate him, and greatly.